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| Feb-13-13 | | messachess: Very nice game and finish by Naiditsch, but 40..Bd2 decides it sooner. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Ezzy: I think I'll watch Real Madrid v Manchester Utd in the champions league, and then get my head into this amazing game! |
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| Feb-13-13 | | luzhin: 37...d5!! was a fantastic move. White would have been praying for 37...Qxd4 after which 38.Rxh7+!! Kxh7 39.Qh1+ Kg6 40.Rg1+ leads to a very dangerous counterattack. Of course, after 38.Bxd5 Qe5+ is curtains. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | JimNorCal: According to the running output of Houdini at the tournament site during the game, I think there were some improvements...but wow! A terrific effort! |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Eyal: <Of course, after 38.Bxd5 Qe5+ is curtains.> Actually, it's a draw... 39.Kd3 Qxd5 40.Rxh7+! Kxh7 41.Qh1+ Qxh1 42.Rxh1+ Kg6 (42...Kg8 43.Rh4; 42...Kg7 43.Ne6+ & 44.Nxf4+; 42...Bh6 43.Nf5) 43.Ne6! Bh6 44.f4 Nf3 (44...Re8 45.f5+! Kh7 46.Ng5+ Kg7 47.Ne6+ etc.) 45.Ke4 Nd2+ 46.Kd3 Nf3 47.Ke4 etc. Curtains is 38...Re8+ 39.Kd3 Qg6+ and the point of the bishop deflection is that there's no escape by 40.Kc3 because of 40...Rc8+. <Looks like Guess the Move on LSD> Heh |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Eyal: When Anand & Adams came to the commentary booth after finishing their game (while this one was still in progress), Lawrence Trent wanted to talk to them about that game and Anand told him something like "Forget it, let's look at this one". |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Eyal: Re 38.Bxd5 - in the post-game discussion Naiditsch mentioned that he wanted to play 38...Qxd4, which seems to be even losing for Black after 39.Rxh7+! Kxh7 40.Qc2+! (Naiditsch was thinking of 40.Qh1+ Bh6, which is indeed winning for Black) 40...Ne4 41.Bxe4+. So perhaps he played the fantastic 37...d5 for the wrong reason... (with the bishop deflected to d5, in the line with 40.Qh1+ Bh6 White doesn't have the lethal 41.Qxb7+ Qg7 42.Bd3+). Btw, a lovely mating idea from an earlier stage of the game that was mentioned in the analysis (apparently sent to Trent by someone with an engine) was 26...Nxf4+ (instead of exf4 as played by Naiditsch) 27.Kf3 and now the spectacular 27...Rh2; after 28.Rg1 (preventing Ng2) or Ke3 it's actually not so clear, but the nice point is 28.Bxh2 Qh3+ 29.Bg3 Ng2!! (denying the e3 square from the king and threatening mate with Bg4) 30.Ne3 Nh4#. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Ezzy: D Fridman (2667) - A Naiditsch (2716)
GRENKE Chess Classic Baden Baden GER (6), 13.02.2013
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0–0 6.Be2 e5 7.0–0 Nc6 8.Be3 Ng4 9.Bg5 f6 10.Bh4 g5 11.Bg3 Nh6 12.dxe5 fxe5 13.h3 Kh8< Only been played once before. 13...Nf7 is the main Line.> 14.c5 g4 15.hxg4 Bxg4 16.cxd6 cxd6 <Novelty. 16...Bxf3 has been played before.> 17.Nd2 Bc8 18.Nc4 Nd4 19.Ne3 Nf7 20.Nc2 Ng5 21.Bd3 Ndf3+!< That was a 'Bolt From The Blue!!'> 22.gxf3 <[22.Kh1?? Qf6 23.gxf3 Qh6+ 24.Kg1 Nxf3+ 25.Qxf3 (25.Kg2 Qh3#) 25...Rxf3 Winning.]> 22...Qd7!< Threatening 23...Nxf3+ 24 Kh1 Qh3+ and mates. [22...Nxf3+ 23.Kg2 Nh4+ 24.Kh1 (24.Bxh4 Qxh4) 24...Qd7 25.Ne1 Qh3+ 26.Kg1]> 23.Be2 Rf6 <Threatens mate in 7 [24... Nh3+ 25.Kh1 Nf4 26.Bxf4 Qh3+ 27.Kg1 Rg6+ 28.Bg3 Rh6 29.Bh4 Rxh4 And MATES!]> 24.Nd5 Rh6 <Threaten's mate in 3 by 25...Qh3> 25.f4 Nh3+ 26.Kg2< [26.Kh1 Nxf4+ 27.Kg1 Rh1+ 28.Kxh1 Qh3+ 29.Kg1 Qg2#] >26...exf4 27.Bh2 f3+ 28.Bxf3< [28.Kxf3 Ng5+ 29.Ke3 Rxh2 30.f3 Bxb2 31.Rb1 Qg7 May be a better line for white although black is still winning.] >28...Ng5 <Threatening mate in 2 with 29...Qh3+> 29.Nf4 Rxh2+ 30.Kxh2 Be5< Better is. [30...Qf7 31.Kg2 Qxf4 Threatening 32...Bh3+ and mates. 32.Rh1 Bxb2 Black is winning. 33.Rb1 Be6 34.Rxb2 Nxf3 Threatening mate in 4 with 35...Rg8+ 36 Kf1 Bc4+ 37 Qe2 Qc1+ 38 Ne1 Qxe1 MATE!! 35.Ne3 Rg8+ 36.Kf1 Qxe4 37.Rc2 Nd4 Winning]> 31.Kg2 Bxf4 <Again 32...Qf7 applies the most pressure.> 32.Rh1 Qg7< Threatening 33...Nxf3 34 Kxf3 Bg4 >33.Kf1 Be6 34.Nd4 <Better is [34.Bg4 Bc4+ 35.Be2 Nxe4 36.Qd4 Nd2+ 37.Ke1 Qxd4 38.Nxd4 Re8 39.Rd1 Nf3+ 40.Kf1 Bxe2+ 41.Nxe2 Nd2+ 42.Ke1 Nf3+ DRAW]> 34...Bc4+ 35.Be2 Nxe4< More Mating threats. Naiditsch is now threatening mate in 9 (36...Rg8 37.Bxc4 Qg2+ 38.Ke2 Qxf2+ 39.Kd3 Rg3+ 40.Nf3 Rxf3+ 41.Kxe4 Re3+ 42.Kd5 Qg2+ 43.Qf3 Qd2+ 44.Bd3 Qxd3 MATE;) 36.Rg1 Qe5 37.Nf3 Qxb2 38.Qd4+ Qxd4 39.Nxd4 Bd5 40.Rd1 Rf8 41.Rd3 Bxa2 42.Rg4 Whites still in the game.]>36.Bxc4? Nd2+ 37.Ke2 d5! 38.Qc2< [38.Bxd5 Re8+ 39.Kd3 Qg6+ 40.Kc3 Rc8+ 41.Kb4 Qd6+ 42.Kb5 Qa6+ 43.Kb4 Bd6#; 38.Bd3 Qe5+ 39.Be4 Qxe4#; 38.Bb3 Qe5+ 39.Kd3 Qe4+ 40.Kc3 Rc8+ 41.Kb4 Qxd4+ 42.Kb5 Rc5#] >38...Re8+ 39.Kd1 Nxc4 40.Qc3 Re4 41.Nf5 Nxb2+ 42.Kc2 Re2+ 43.Kb3 Qxc3+ 44.Kxc3 Be5+ 45.Nd4 Re4 0–1 <46.Kxb2 Bxd4+ 47.Kc2 Bxa1 48.Rxa1 With a winning endgame for black> Wow, Wow, Wow!! I don't think I've seen any other game with as many mating threats as this one. Geez, Naiditsch's head must have been in a spin analysing all these mating attacks on the white king. Fridman just fell short of saving the game, but his head must have been frazzled by the constant threats and pressure. Kudos to Naiditsch. What an attack. This must be his 'Evergreen game' - I don't know about that, BUT it was pretty special. You could write a book on the mating patterns alone. He should get a best game prize for this amazing attack (even if there isn't one) |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Eyal: Fridman wondered after the game whether 36.Nf3 - with the idea of 36...Qxb2 37.Qd4+ to exchange queens - can save Black, but it runs into another great tactical shot - 36...Nxf2! (37.Kxf2 Qg3+ 38.Kf1 Qxf3+ and White would get mated shortly). So it should be prepared by 36.Rg1! first - and then White might have chances to survive, although with two pawns and very strong bishop pair for the exchange Black should still have the advantage. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | rilkefan: <Ezzy> - thanks for the excellent annotations. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Hesam7: I understand why this game excites so many but objectively this is a comedy of errors. A preliminary analysis reveals many mistakes already: White: 20 Nc2, 21 Bd3, 27 Bh2 34 Nd4 & 36 Bc4.
Black: The opening, 30...Be5, 31...Bf4 & 33...Be6.
I am sure a full analysis will reveal more improvements for both sides. At any rate quite a disappointing game when it comes to quality. |
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| Feb-13-13 | | Hesam7: <Eyal: When Anand & Adams came to the commentary booth after finishing their game (while this one was still in progress), Lawrence Trent wanted to talk to them about that game and Anand told him something like "Forget it, let's look at this one".> It was better than that, Trent treated it as a joke and Anand said "I am serious go back"! |
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| Feb-14-13 | | vinidivici: Wow....i cant believe what i have seen.
This could be the best match that Naiditsch ever done! |
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| Feb-14-13 | | darshandatta: Naiditsch daily contributing to only decisive game |
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| Feb-14-13 | | drleper: <Hesam7> Being such a complex game, I think calling it a "comedy of errors" is too harsh. Even Houdini took time to realise that black's 21st move was sound, rather impressive in my opinion. Annotations at http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp... |
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| Feb-14-13 | | bank2010: How long did it take Naiditsch to find such fantastic moves on 21... Ndf3! and 37... d5!! ? |
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| Feb-14-13 | | Ezzy: <Hesam7: At any rate quite a disappointing game when it comes to quality.> Geez man, that's a bit harsh.
Chessbase -
"Naiditsch wins a stunning game"
"with a brilliant sacrificial attack"
"Naiditsch who continued his streak of decisive games with a mind-blowing effort."
21...Ndf3!! It took even Houdini a while to realise that this brilliant knight sacrifice is absolutely sound." "d5‼ World Champion Vishy Anand: "very impressive." "Fridman was far from downhearted after the game - in chess you still need two players to compose a masterpiece." "round 6 saw Naiditsch win an absolutely spectacular attacking game against Daniel Fridman, in a game bound to make the rounds of chess publications both electronic and print over the next few days and weeks" Dennis Monokroussos |
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| Feb-14-13 | | Hesam7: <Ezzy> & <drleper> Chessbase: they need traffic and like I said this game will be popular with chess fans, hence the titles. Moreover the analysis on their site is really poor, they ignore several key points of the game. Anand: Calling a single move impressive is not an endorsement of the quality of the game. If I recall correctly Naiditsch played 37...d5 with little time left when he had an obvious less complicated alternative, which apparently made an impression on the World Champion. Houdini: No, it did not take it that long. On the official website Houdini has 0.00 after 114 seconds at depth 19, so definitely less than 2 minutes (it might have been even less, I was not following the game live at that point). |
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| Feb-14-13 | | Ezzy: <Hesam7:>
I'm quite stunned that you don't find this game impressive from a human. You're hard to please <Hesam7> BUT 'everyone to his own.' |
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| Feb-14-13 | | polarmis: <Hesam7>, ChessBase are using my official press releases (with permission - although the way things are cut up can be a little grating at times). You can find a complete version at ChessVibes or on the official website: http://grenkechessclassic.com/en/ho... Of course you could do a lot more analysis, but not easily in the 2 or 3 hours I have after the game to finish the full report - and it's better to focus on what the players saw and talked about as anyone can check Houdini's analysis. If you watched Anand and Adams trying to work out what was going on you'd realise that calling the game "a comedy of errors" is absurd. Naiditsch found a lot of brilliant moves and Fridman came very close to matching him despite having almost no time on his clock. I thought one of the key moments was when Lawrence Trent suggested one move was a blunder to Fridman and he perfectly reasonably responded that you can't call something like that a blunder - only a computer has a chance of playing perfect chess in such a situation. |
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Feb-14-13
 | | keypusher: Oh, wow!
Schlechter vs Meitner, 1899 |
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| Feb-14-13 | | csmath: Brutal attack. Not the game itself but the attack is awesome. |
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| Feb-14-13 | | Hesam7: <polarmis>
Analysis: I looked at engine evaluations on the tournament website and on Chessbomb, watched the video of Anand & Adams and did a little bit of work myself, I spent less than an hour but then I was looking at only a single game and I did not have a deadline. Quality: Actually Anand & Adams spotted most of Black's mistakes when they were there, most notably 30...Be5 & 33...Be6. I might be wrong but after 33...Be6 they looked at 34 Nd4 Bc4 35 Be2 and when someone said the machine evaluates it as drawish they simply left (I got the sense that they were disappointed and thought the game was spoiled). |
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| Feb-14-13 | | Eyal: <Hesam7: Actually Anand & Adams spotted most of Black's mistakes when they were there, most notably 30...Be5 & 33...Be6. I might be wrong but after 33...Be6 they looked at 34 Nd4 Bc4 35 Be2 and when someone said the machine evaluates it as drawish they simply left (I got the sense that they were disappointed and thought the game was spoiled).> I looked again at the video (http://grenkechessclassic.com/en/vi..., second from the top) and this description strikes me as misleading. First, Anand & Adams definitely did <not> spot 30...Be5 as a mistake. When they were looking at the forcing line starting with 27...f3+, they took both 30...Be5 & 31...Bxf4 - as played by Naiditsch - completely for granted (you can see that starting from about 14:50 and then again 15:50; Adams suggested Qf7 once, but on move 31 and in a different line than the one played in the game - with Bg2 instead of Kg2 by White). They went back and looked at 30...Qf7! only when Trent got a message from someone (probably with a running engine) that it was the best move. Also, it's worth noting that Anand (Adams was much more quite most of the time) was visibly surprised by 27...f3+, which is a great move - he said he would have played Be5 instead. Now, anyone can form his own opinion about their behavior when they left, but for myself I don't see any reason to assume they were "disappointed" - seems to me that since they were already sitting there analyzing for 20 minutes, and were probably also tired from their own game, they simply felt it was time to leave. (The evaluation was already declared to be only slightly in Black's favor before Naiditsch made his 33rd move, btw, so the fact that someone mentioned it again wasn't such big news.) It's true that Anand preferred 33...Bd7 to Be6 and that they looked at 34.Nd4 [<not> the comp's top recommendation, which is Bg4] Bc4 35.Be2, but there's no evidence whatsoever that anyone there really understood the full tactical complexities of the position at that point and on what it depends - namely, the (very nice in itself) 35...Nxe4 idea by Black and then 36.Rg1! as the only move that can keep White in the game. More generally, I tend to agree with the "protest" by <polarmis> and others here about the dismissal of such a great attacking game as a comedy of errors. This strikes me as an extremely computer-oriented judgment, which evaluates a game only by enumerating the mistakes made while completely ignoring (1) all the big positives that are to be found in Naiditsch's play here and (2) the context of the enormous tactical complexity of the position that was created for both players as a result of Naiditsch's knight sac. |
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