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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Norway Chess (2014), Stavanger NOR, rd 3, Jun-05
Neo-Grünfeld Defense: Goglidze Attack (D70)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jun-05-14  chessdgc2: Nevertheless, that was among the toughest draws Carlsen has faced in a while with White THANKS CHESSGAMES.COM!
Jun-05-14
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  offramp: MrMag says it's definitely a win for black!
Jun-05-14  ChemMac: I still think that 45...f6 was against principle in similar positions: avoid pawn exchanges as much as possible! However; what were Black's alternatives?
Jun-05-14
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  offramp: I predicted a draw in 60 moves. No e-cigar for me.
Jun-05-14  DcGentle: <ChemMac>: Good question, but <... f6> was a Houdini move even.
Jun-05-14  Ulhumbrus: Houdini suggests - amongst other things - that 34...Nxe5 instead of 34...gxf4 first and after 35 gxf4 only then 35...Nxe5 let Black's win slip.
Jun-05-14  ChemMac: About which World Champion was it said? To win against him you had to do so three times; once in the opening; a second time in the middle game; and finally in the endgame. Caruana managed only two out of three: not enough!
Jun-05-14  Marmot PFL: <I still think that 45...f6 was against principle in similar positions: avoid pawn exchanges as much as possible! However; what were Black's alternatives?>

Wasn't much, the king was stalemated, the rook tied to the knight and knight moves allowed mate. 45...h6 was the other choice but than white gets a passed h pawn.

Jun-05-14  DcGentle: "To win against me, you must beat me three times: in the opening, the middlegame, and the endgame." (Alexander Alekhine)
Jun-05-14
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  keypusher: <MrMag: carlsen is not man enough to resign>

Lucky, that.

Jun-05-14
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  Sokrates: Carlsen really had to struggle for that draw - with white! Caruana has become his "Angstgegner", fear opponent. Well played, Fabiano!
Jun-05-14  Rolfo: Everyone could very well use an Angstgegner, just to keep one on alert :)
Jun-05-14
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  LucB: Well I didn't check all 22 games in the following list, but I'm sure some of them never made it to the end game.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Jun-05-14
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  LucB: These are in the minority, of course! ;D
Jun-05-14  csmath: 20. ...Rd6!

a multipurpose move that changed the complexion of the game. After that Magnus lost the thread of the game and black was able to move his slow pawns forward while white could not have made any progress with his rather dangerously looking attack, at least in the beginning.

It is amazing how close to defeat Magnus got yet he managed to save rather original ending. Well played game in general.

Jun-05-14  mrbasso: <Carlsen really had to struggle for that draw - with white! Caruana has become his "Angstgegner", fear opponent.>

Nonsense.

Jun-05-14
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  tamar: Magnus wasn't happy with his play. I think 20...Rd6 surprised him, but he continued to play objectively superior moves up to 26 g3 and 27 f4 when he lost patience, and tried to bowl Caruana over.

Probably 25...g5 confused him as well, and he decided to strike before Caruana could set up a blockading wall of pawns. As he explained, he went into the whole tactical sequence thinking that Qa3 was better for him.

But as Nigel Short pointed out, he had a very easy way to gain a big advantage with 26 Qe3 so that if 26...a5 (as suggested by Magnus)27 Rd2 Ra7 28 Rc1 f6 for example, and White has a big edge with no play for Black.


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Carlsen may have shied away from this because the advantage looks hard to increase, but Caruana agreed that it was very bad for Black, because he loses the ability to move his c pawn.

Jun-05-14  NeoIndian: <DcGentle: "To win against me, you must beat me three times: in the opening, the middlegame, and the endgame." (Alexander Alekhine)>

"To win against me, you must beat me four times: in the opening, the middlegame, the endgame, and the press conference." (Today's SuperGMs).

Jun-06-14  SirRuthless: <NeoIndian> Nice...I enjoyed this game but well played? How does on define "well played" According to the computers there were several missed opportunities for both sides. A draw may have been the logical result but I wouldn't call this game "well played." Sometimes I think the platitudes are more based on who is playing rather than the actual games themselves. I am probably guilty of this more than many of the more objective posters on CG.com.
Jun-06-14
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  plang: <SirRuthless: <NeoIndian> Nice...I enjoyed this game but well played? How does on define "well played" According to the computers there were several missed opportunities for both sides. A draw may have been the logical result but I wouldn't call this game "well played.">

That seems like an awfully high standard. Humans are not always going to select the computers first choice. And in some cases the human move may be a better or, at least, have practical advantages over the computer move. I think, by most standards, this was a good game. In particular, Caruana's play to gain the advantage and then Carlsen's endgame play to gain the draw are worthy of note.

Jun-06-14  Ulhumbrus: 26 g3 prepares f4 attacking the g5 pawn while 26 Qe3 attacks the point c5.

If the latter is better this suggests that Carlsen has made the wrong choice of target

If this is so this suggests the question of why c5 is a better choice of target.

One possible reason is that White's queen could become a target on c1.

Jun-06-14  visayanbraindoctor: 3. f3

For the third game in a row in this tournament, Carlsen avoids mainlines. Caruana had no doubt prepared for the more common Grunfeld lines, but Carlsen as is his wont cleverly sidestep it. Carlsen ends up with a substantial advantage out of the opening.

Jun-07-14  talwnbe4: I was analysing this game with Stockfish and Carlsen missed 25 or 26. Qe3 with advantage 1.5. e.g, 25. Qe3 Rb8 26. Qc5 f6 h5 and black is all tied up or 25. Qe3 a5 26. Qc5 b4 27. Ne2 a4 28. Nec1 axb3 29. axb3 Nc8 30. Nxb4 and white has a great game.
Jun-07-14  siegbert: I was wrong.
Jul-20-14  1d410: 26 Qe3 as suggested by Nigel is slow positional strangulation and is very difficult to play. Lots of unforced variations.
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