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| Apr-15-23 | | goodevans: I've been busy today so only had time to dip in and out of the game occasionally. The first opportunity I got was just after Nepo had played 29.Nf5. "Ding will exchange knights", I thought, "and then it'll be a draw". Well, at least I got the first bit right. It came as a shock when I returned just after the time control and found Nepo totally dominant. Now I've finally had a chance to play through the game and I still can't work out how he did it. Looks like witchcraft to me! |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Ulhumbrus: If 15...Nc6 allows White to exchange white squared bishops by Bd5 without spoiling his pawn structure one alternative is 15...Bc6 beginning the plan of ...Na5-b7-d8-e6. If after 33 g4 Black cannot afford to wait for the advance g5 one alternative to 33...Qd8 is 33...g5 eg 34 hxg6 fxg6 35 fxg6 Kg7 GM Giri and GM Naroditsky said, amongst other things, that this was a hard and difficult win, and a high class win. This helps to suggest that if in the previous game Ding Liren won in the style of Nepomniachtchi, in the present game Nepomniachtchi won in the style of Carlsen. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | SChesshevsky: Here we have the Spanish, Spanish torture. Martinez 6. d3 variation. Not sure who or where Martinez is but presuming it might have something to do with Spain. The line is maybe one of the slowest, most closed variations. An anti-marshall that might push only for the smallest advantage but also with no meaningful weaknesses. Appears here, Nepom ends up choosing a standard idea for white to keep his B's better than Black's (or just keep Black's B's bad) and if possible get something going on white's kingside. Possibly while occupying black on the Qside. Think after Ding allows the WSB's trade and moves the DSB to the queenside, Nepom achieves all of this and gets an advantage. Probably not a winning advantage but enough so that Black is under the obligation to play accurately. Which Ding apparently failed to do. Interesting that Ding, so far, seems a noticeably different player with initiative than without. |
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Apr-15-23
 | | Teyss: This match is a rollercoaster.
Nepo admitted he stayed less in the rest room because... it's too cold there. Ding might feel the same. Well, the organisers found a way to keep the players around the board. If the latter wear extra sweaters to go back there, the former can always air some Justin Bieber music, that will also be efficient. (It's a random example.) |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Refused: Guess there's a reason, why most Spanish games these days see black either play the Marshall or the Berlin... |
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| Apr-15-23 | | SChesshevsky: <Guess there's a reason, why most Spanish games these days see black either play the Marshall or the Berlin...> Believe it's all about getting Black's B's useful. Worth a pawn in the Marshall and worth a possibly losing endgame pawn structure in the Berlin. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Refused: Nah.
As far as I can tell, games in the closed spanish go like that.
As black you just suffer endlessly for most of the game. You are forced to defend a joyless passive position, and just hope that white over reaches and you get the chance for a counter strike (and some chances in the endgame). Marshall is out analyzed. That's essentially just checking opening prep. In the end the position is level, with black having sufficient activity for the pawn. Berlin is similar to the closed Spanish, but with much less suffering. You trade off all the pieces and end up in a pawn ending that you will never lose. Or at least that's the idea. If white overraches and goes crazy you might get some counter chances. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | SChesshevsky: Yeah,
Marshall offers black sufficient activity. Geez, it comes mainly from the two B's. Berlin, in the wall, pretty well known if you can trade off the black LSB, whites losing chances are very, very low. Winning chances with the king side pawn majority aren't great either. But they're there. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | whiteshark: Nakamura's recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMs... (~25 mins) |
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Apr-15-23
 | | tamar: I am becoming a fan of the Krush/Dubov coverage, particularly of their discussion of why 30…Qf6 failed, and why the ugly 30…Qd7 31 Qf4 Bd8 32 Qe4 d5 held. Dubov was skeptical that Bd8 was good for two reasons, one that it allowed 33 Qe8+
Qxe8 34 Rxe8+ Kh7 when the awkward self-pin of the bishop seems awkward. Plus it looks even more dire in that White has the threat of Ne5-Ng6! creating a mating net, even dissuading him further. But then he noticed if 35 Ne5 Ra1+36 Kh2 Bc7 pinning just in time. Second, if 35 g3 Ra1+ 36 Kg2 Bf6 37 Rb8, Dubov asked why this was not good for White, eventually deducing the other trick 37…Rb1 38 Rxb5 Bxc3! All without looking at the engine line. A master class. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | whiteshark: Nepo strikes back at once. |
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| Apr-16-23 | | DansChessLounge: For analysis of the game check out the video here ---> https://youtu.be/Hbyl51BSDSE |
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Apr-16-23
 | | Richard Taylor: The fascinating part was the very end: here is how I feel that Neponomatiaittiechi could well have 'driven the "Jesus nails"' into D. Liren and thus tormented his weak opponent with a superb & beautiful (but excruciatingly painful), end... 48...Ke8 49. Rh8+ Kd7 50. f7 Rxf2
51. Nxf2 d5 52. f8=Q Bxf8 53. Rxf8
Kd6 54. Rd8+ Kc5 55. Kf4 b4 56. cxb4+
Kxb4 57. Rxd5 Kb3 58. Rc5 c3 59. Nd3
c2 60. Ke3 Ka3 61. Rxc2 Kb3 62. Kd2
Ka3 63. Rb2 Ka4 64. Kc3 Ka5 65. Kc4
Ka6 66. Kc5 Ka7 67. Kc6 Ka8 68. Kc7
Ka7 69. Nc5 Ka8 70. Ne6 Ka7 71. Nd8
Ka8 72. Nb7 Ka7 73. Nc5 Ka8 74. Rb6
Ka7 75. Nb7 Ka8 76. Ra6#
"Under the steeline Seas of endless and Humilate Suffering lie the exquisite and tormenting Truthes..." David Hume. 1778.5 |
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Apr-16-23
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Two questions.
1. Would 12...Ne8, trying to get rid of the only Black minor piece that can't control d5, have helped? If White tries 13.Be3, Black can *carefully* prepare ...f7-f5.
2. Who is Martinez? This gentleman? Dion Martinez |
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| Apr-16-23 | | SChesshevsky: <Would 12...Ne8...have helped?> It's an interesting move. Looks playable but ugly. Gives away the B pair, not sure the Q on ...e7 is right and N on ..e8 obviously not right. And fixing all that will take time. So further moving the king for ...f5 may all take too long. But it would probably give Nepom pause. Probably wouldn't have looked too deeply into 12...Ne8 and certainly would have used more time than the one minute in the opening as in the game. Match has been totally interesting. Move 12...Ne8 might have even brought that up a notch. |
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| Apr-16-23 | | Butcher: Nepomniachtchi played too well this game. Much diferent from previous. |
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Apr-16-23
 | | perfidious: Not to mention the game which followed this one.... |
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| Apr-17-23 | | fisayo123: Pretty much a flawless game by Nepo here.
Ding might have to come up with a different opening all-together. Nepo and his team are booked to the gills in these a6 Ruy Lopez's. Totally avoiding any possibility of anti-marshall's as well with 6. d3. Nepo learned his lesson from the last match |
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Apr-22-23
 | | OhioChessFan: Triple groaner of a pun, in a good way. |
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| Apr-22-23 | | stone free or die: That is (groan) old-school <CG> quality! gg_whynot |
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Apr-22-23
 | | HeMateMe: I think one of the best puns of the year! |
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Apr-22-23
| | Teyss: One of the best puns ever.
- Highlights at least one noteworthy element of the game (three actually) ✔️
- Includes a reference unrelated to Chess without being cryptic ✔️
- The wording connecting these two concepts is ingenious ✔️
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| Apr-22-23 | | stone free or die: Let's note for the record that the pun is from the apparently multi-talented <beatgiant>. |
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| Dec-07-24 | | cehertan: Did no one mention the strength of 37.g5! hxg5 38.Rg4, if f6 39.Nh4!! gxh4 40.h6 That is some super GM stuff. |
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Dec-07-24
| | perfidious: That tactic was noted above, and an ingenious one it is: Nepomniachtchi vs Ding Liren, 2023 (kibitz #62) |
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