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| Jul-29-03 | | Helloween: One my all-time favorite defenses. positionally solid and great attacking chances. |
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| Jul-29-03 | | PVS: Yes, I faced it a few times as white. I always played 4.a3 with the idea of reaching a position similar to the main line, but with the fireworks commencing before black had a chance to play c5. My strategy was faultless, my results were another matter. |
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| Aug-19-03 | | bunti: I have begun to study the french winawer defense and i recall once reading about some interesting gambits in this defense for both black and white. is anyone familar with any and how successful have they been using them? thanks |
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| Aug-20-03 | | Cecil Brown: Sharp lines in the Winawer for white include the Alekhine gambit 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Nge2 dxe4 5.a3 then either Bxc3 or Be7.
And 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3 5.bxc3 dxe4 6.Qg4 Nf6 |
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| Aug-20-03 | | Cecil Brown: Both these lines are under C15.
The sharpest Winawer lines are the Poisoned Pawn variation. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Qg4 Qc7 8.Qxg7 Rg8 9.Qxh7 cxd4
which leads to very complex and exciting play. You'll find that under C18 I think. |
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| Nov-19-04 | | drukenknight: Here is a very sharp Winawer that plays the most simple response to the pin: 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 Bd2?! Bxc3 5 Bxc3 dxe4 6 d5 Anyone seen this? Would you believe it leaves book on move 4. |
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| Nov-20-04 | | acirce: 4.Bd2 is known and has been played by Alekhine, Keres, Boleslavsky, Timman and many others but I see no reason for 4..Bxc3. Pedersen's <Main Line French: 3.Nc3> has this to say: <4.Bd2
The Keres Gambit. White avoids doubled pawns on the c-file but leaves the d4-pawn unprotected, and hence White often has to gambit the pawn in order to develop an initiative. The variations arising are very complicated, so Black should be well prepared against this line when playing the Winawer.> Then his main line goes on 4..dxe4 5.Qg4 Nf6 6.Qxg7 Rg8 7.Qh6 Qxd4 <This is the cutting-edge of the entire variation, and unless White can show some compensation here, the variation may be regarded as dead and buried.> Also, <A safe alternative is 5..Qxd4 6.Nf3 Nh6! 7.Qf4 e5 8.Qxe5+ (8.Qxh6 gxh6 9.Nxd4 exd4 10.Nxe4 Bxd2+ 11.Kxd2 =) 8..Qxe5 9.Nxe5 Ng4 => |
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| Nov-20-04 | | drukenknight: thanks for that. I think i have seen 4...dxe4 and I'm trying to remember what happened. I have seen some wild stuff in this line...hmmm. |
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| Nov-20-04 | | drukenknight: Okay acirce here is how I'm playing that, I see no need to put the Qon g4 it makes more sense to attack down the e file yes?: 1 e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Bd2 dxe4
5. Qe2 Nf6
6. O-O-O Nc6
7. a3 Ba5
8. Nxe4
this sets up weird relationships all over the board. Reminiscent of Burn variation. computer rates a small edge to white and with two main options here, one being Bxd2. for instance the black Q can be overburdened defender. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | drukenknight: Two more French, Keres variation (4 Bd2). This one is really fun to play and w/ a pattern we have all seen in french, white Q on K side and black Q on q side, this time whits N goes N-b5-d6+: 1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Bd2 Nf6
5. e5 Nfd7
6. Qg4 g6
7. O-O-O h5
8. Qg3 c5
9. Bg5 Qa5
10. Nb5 Qxa2
11. Nd6+ Kf8
12. c3 Nc6
13. Qf3 (pc liked Qf4)
13...Rh7
14. Bd3 Bxc3 (...cxd4 maybe better)
15. bxc3 Qa3+
16. Kd2 Qb2+
17. Ke1 Qxc3+
18. Bd2 Qxd4
19. Ne2 Qxe5
20. Bf4 Qf6
21. Bc2 Nce5
22. Qg3 Ng4
white seems to have significant advantage at this pt. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | drukenknight: here is the other one, with the early exchange of B for N. 1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Bd2 Bxc3
5. Bxc3 dxe4
6. d5 f6
7. Qg4 Qe7
8. O-O-O Nh6
9. Qxe4 f5
10. Qd4
white seems to have a slight advantage but I think this is playable for black w/ some improvements. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Rocafella: is this a rare opening? |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Chris00nj: No it's quite common for the French. If White plays 3. Nc3 which is the best move, black can either play Bb4 or Nf6, for which Bb4 is probably slightly better, but it is very dynamic and complicated. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Helloween: <Chris00nj..."3.Nc3 which is the best move"> A very biased and subjective statement. The Tarrasch is at least equally strong. |
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Apr-12-05
 | | keypusher: <dk> Sorry to butt in but I play the Winawer a lot. As acirce and the books point out, 4...Bxc3 doesn't make any sense. After 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 Bd2 4...Nf6 is just bad. After 5 e5 Nfd7 6 Qg4 I would sooner play ...Bf8 than ...g6. Also, after 4...de 5 Qe2 what about 5...Qxd4 (or 5...Nf6 6 0-0-0 Qxd4)? After 6 0-0-0 Nc6 7 a3 Nxd4 looks better than ...Ba5. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Shams: "3.Nd2 is good enough to win, but 3.Nc3 is better." -- Kasparov |
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| Apr-12-05 | | drukenknight: 3 Nd2 always seems to give me more problems though. I think it just throws everything off. As black I usually am very concerned about if and when to castle. Won lots of games by never castling and using the gain in tempo to do something to white. So I'm playing this Nd2 game and finally I see the chance to ...000 and get out of danger. Right into a B sack on a7! Obviously I was totally confused because the N on d2 just throws off the timing of the normal lines. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | drukenknight: key pusher, which line are you recommending here for black in respnse to 4 Bd2? 4...dxe? dont have any more time today, but I will respond in a day or two. thanks for comments. |
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Apr-12-05
| | keypusher: <dk> yes, 4...de. I think 4...Bxc3 and 4...Nf6 are inferior. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Chris00nj: <drukenknight: key pusher, which line are you recommending here for black in respnse to 4 Bd2? 4...dxe?> 4...Ne7 looks best.
<Helloween: A very biased and subjective statement. The Tarrasch is at least equally strong.> Sure, it is a subjective statement, but looking at the amount of games played as white as well as the win% as well as the endorsement of the majority of GMs, it's not an unfair or untrue statement. Although Nd2 prevents the bishop pin, it put the knight on a more awkward square. Where does it go from there? It also blocks the dark square bishop. Compare 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 in the classical variaton versus. 3. Nd2 Nf6 4. e5 The positions look similar, except white hasn't traded of black's good bishop and his knight is blocked in. Of course it's a viable opening, but does it get you AS good of a position...no. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | hintza: <Although Nd2 prevents the bishop pin, it put the knight on a more awkward square. Where does it go from there?> Usually it will go to b3. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | Helloween: <Of course it's a viable opening, but does it get you AS good of a position...> Most definitely. The best positional response to the French. Of course, I don't play 1.e4 anymore so I don't worry about these things anyway. <3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 The positions look similar, except white hasn't traded of black's good bishop and his knight is blocked in.> I don't think you really know much about the White sides of these positions. You don't sound like you have much experience.<Although Nd2 prevents the bishop pin, it put the knight on a more awkward square. Where does it go from there?> After f2-f4, it goes to f3. The other Knight goes to e2. The positions in the 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 line are very thematic. White get's a big grip in the centre, Black looks for counterplay after f7-f6 on the semi-open file. The exchange sac line with Rxf3 is interesting. Of course, 3...Nf6 sucks anyway. White definitely keeps a slight opening advantage. In the main lines(3...c5), Black deals with the isolated d-pawn and often gets less than adequate piece play for it. The positional player's dream, if you are playing White. |
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| Apr-13-05 | | Chris00nj: <Helloween: >
I guess it is a matter of preference and styles! |
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| Apr-14-05 | | drukenknight: keypushers ...dxe line seems to lead to some sort of crazy gambit thing for white. |
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| Apr-15-05 | | Helloween: <Chris00nj> Exactly. So I take it you're a tactical junkie? |
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