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| Aug-10-03 | | patzer2: The two knights is a great defense. The only problem is that most strong white e4 players are not going to give you a chance to play it. If you plan to play the two knights, you had better know how to play the king's gambit, the scotch and the ruy lopez against strong opponents. You may find it easier to book up on the french, caro kahn or sicilian than to memorize all the lines you need to know to prepare for 1. e4 e4 in tournament play. However, having said that, I do enjoy playing these lines as black. In particular, the two-knights, if you can get into it, offers black excellent initiative and strong winning chances. Yet, it is not an opening for the faint of heart, as it is full of tactics and sacrifices in the best lines. |
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| Aug-10-03 | | jmcd2002: <You may find it easier to book up on the french, caro kahn or sicilian than to memorize all the lines you need to know to prepare for 1. e4 e5 in tournament play.> An excellent point. With 1. e4 e5, the white player is free to choose from any of the openings you mentioned - as well as the king's gambit, the center game, the vienna game, etc. I assume that this is why the sicilian is so popular these days among GMs as black. After 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3, it is the black player - not white - who gets to dictate if it will be a dragon, a Taimanov, a Kan, etc. It's almost like black has stolen a tempo. |
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| Aug-11-03 | | pkspks: ok peopel play e4 e5 as black cuz it gives them a fight for win, and the sicilian is popular cuz it gives u fight for a win, why do u think these too are the most common on week end tourneys? |
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| Aug-12-03 | | Kenneth Sterling: How very, very sad! |
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| Aug-13-03 | | Shadout Mapes: Anyone else here play 4.d4 in the Two Knights? |
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| Aug-13-03 | | Kenneth Sterling: Did you have something like this in mind? Moller vs Maroczy, 1907 |
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| Aug-13-03 | | Shadout Mapes: No, I play 5.O-O with either 5...Bc5 6.e5 (Max Lange) or 5...Nxe4 6.Re1 etc. I've analyzed all the lines and found at least equal positions in all. They make for exciting games. Anyone want me to spew out some analysis, just ask. |
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| Aug-13-03 | | PVS: My main opening system as white featured the Scotch Gambit-Classical Two Knights Defence-Max Lange Attack. |
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| Aug-13-03 | | Emil Tyson: Tony Miles blitzed John Nunn in 1969 in a superb 20-move Max Lange Attack at the British Under-18 Championship. |
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| Aug-13-03 | | patzer2: <Shadout Mapes> I play 4. d4 as well as 4. Ng5 depending on my opponent and my assessment of which line will give them the most problems. I've had good results with both lines, but prefer 4.d4 against stronger players. |
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| Jan-10-04 | | youngplayer11: <Shadout Mapes>i play 4.d4 too.i also play two knights as black and find 4.d4 very iratating be couse white gets the gambit possibilitys instead of black.thats why i dont play 4.Ng5 |
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| Jan-10-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: The practical problem of playing 1...e5 is the fact that White can choose to bore you with lines like 4. d3 versus Two Knights. I enjoy playing the black side of the Ruy, Ng5 two knights, two knights with d4, and king's gambit, but the fact that the majority of players will opt for a more boring continuation has driven me back to the dragon. |
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| Jan-10-04 | | Benjamin Lau: Bronstein vs E Rojan, 1956 is an interesting two knights game. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: Interesting. When the above position arires on the board White wins 42,7% and Black 40,1%. So there is a tiny chance to draw the game after reaching the mentioned position. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | refutor: <bobak> that's mostly because half the games were from pre-1900. and the other half are played in the brazilian girls U10 championship :) |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: <refutor> Still, this position should be analysed well, before we judge too fast about the it. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: Even the great Adolf Anderssen had some trouble with playing this Defense with White. Out of six games he has lost two. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | micartouse: <Bobak> If you haven't already, take a look at 5 ... Nd4!? (right into the center) instead of the above 5 ... Na5!? There are many fun and respectable lines springing from the "Fritz Variation." A common snare: 6. d6?! Qxd6 7. Nxf7 (7. Bxf7+ Ke7 intending ... h6) Qc6
8. Nxh8? (8. 0-0 is still much better for Black) Qxg2 9. Rf1 Qe4+ 10. Be2 Nf3#. There are many other wild variations as well after 6. c3 b5. Very good practical opening I think and it doesn't require too much prep. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: <micartouse> I like 5. ... Na5 more than the move Nd4. Because after 6.c3 Nf5 White has the better game with d4!? |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: <micartouse> The move 6.d6 isn't that strong. White will lose the initiative and probably the game with your continuation. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | micartouse: <Bobak> True, Na5 is a great move too, I was just throwing it out there for anyone into "somewhat sound" gambits for Black. I agree that in the Fritz, 6. c3 is the best option for White, but 6 ... b5! not ... Nf5? Then for instance, 7. cxd4 bxc4 8. dxe5 Qxd5! White rarely knows 7. Bf1! is best, and even then Black has a little (but not enough) compensation for the pawn. Anyone who plays the Fritz at class level will not be disappointed if they like risky sharp chess. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | Bobak Zahmat: <micartouse> It is quite right that not everyone could find 7.Bf1! But if one takes enough to think it through this move should be seen, because it is actually forced. |
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| Feb-14-06 | | micartouse: <But if one takes enough to think it through this move should be seen, because it is actually forced.> Not to be overly picky, but there are other moves such as 7. Bd3 that retain the pawn for White and seem more correct, and such moves are more commonly seen in practical play. So 7. Bf1 is not forced by any means. Even after 7. Bf1, Black gets some tricky attacking options. I will let the point go though; I just think gambit lovers have a sound gambit in the Fritz and an easy one to play. Anyone under 2100, and probably a little over will find it a safe bet. :) |
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| Feb-14-06 | | refutor: morozevich played 7.Bd3 Morozevich vs Timman, 1996 |
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| Mar-02-06 | | trumbull0042: What are the main strategies for Black, who is down two pawns, in the following line:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5 Na5
6. Bb5+ c6
7. dxc6 bxc6
8. Qf3 Rb8
9. Bxc6+ Nxc6
10. Qxc6+ Nd7
11. d3 Be7 ?
Thanks for your help. |
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