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| Jun-02-03 | | actual: Why isn't the open lopez played as much as the closed variations by GM's? |
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| Jun-04-03 | | Shadout Mapes: Korchnoi played it quite a bit, but Karpov (ands later Kasparov) used an Ng5! innovation that apparently killed it. There are discussions on the C80 page and the Korchnoi page, but I've yet to check it out myself. |
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| Jun-05-03 | | StevieW: Ng5 was a great innovation but I don't think its killed the open lopez or even that line. I think its the 9... nc5 line. The Open Lopez has never been as popular as the closed |
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| Jun-06-03 | | refutor: no Ng5 hasn't killed the variation...if you are worried about it after 9.Nbd2 don't play ...Nc5, just play ...Be7 and there's a whole world of theory there. GMs don't play the open lopez just because of that...it's open and there's lots of theory. most GMs don't like life in their positions they prefer closed drawish lines and don't like to go any deeper in theory than they have to. god forbid they treat chess as a job (bobby i'm looking in your direction) |
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| Jul-18-03 | | actual: I've been playing over alot of these games lately <C80-C83>. I'm trying to understand the main ideas for black and pick up on any recurring themes, but I'm having trouble because from game to game the play seems varied. One thing that I have noticed is black getting his d-pawn passed early and using it to win. |
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| Jul-18-03 | | ChessPraxis: I knew that Korchnoi liked to play the Open Ruy Lopez but I didn't realize that Max Euwe was such an advocate of it. |
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| Jul-21-03 | | actual: Tarrasch as well |
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| Jan-16-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: I think the Open Ruy Lopez is a lot more exciting than many of the closed lopez games! refutor I couldnt agree with you more by the way ( except for looking in bobbys direction, look in Morphys! lol ... But I guess their positional insight is similar ) In fact
Fischers only treatment to the Ruy Lopez he exhibited was the classic defense 3.Bc5 which isnt bad, but it would have been cool to see him play the open defense. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | keith pickles: Could i see more lines with the Open Lopez Ng5 move i would like to see some recent games and any theoretical advances made.!! |
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| Jun-01-04 | | Swindler: Yes, Tarrasch was also a supporter of this opening. In his book on the St. Petersburg tournament of 1914 (a great book by the way) he annotates O Bernstein vs Gunsberg, 1914 and gives 5. ...Be7 as a bad move and cites 5. ...Nxe4 as the correct move. Theory has changed quite a bit since then! Why did the Open variation fall out of favour after Tarrasch? I get the impression that the Closed was seen as no.1 even before Karpovs Ng5. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | OneBadDog: This is a great opening. However, I think that the 9. Nbd2 lines have killed it (look at Kasparov-Anand '95). |
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| Jun-01-04 | | PinkPanther: <OneBadDog>
It's only the "Karpov Gambit" which has "killed" this opening, but the gambit can be avoided by not pushing the pawn and pinning the knight with the bishop instead. Overall, I would say the Open Variation is alive and well. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | OneBadDog: <PinkPanther> I understand what you're saying. However, most of the Bg4 lines lead to a slight but persistant edge for white. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | PinkPanther: <OneBadDog>
Most of the opening lines in all of chess lead to a slight but persistant edge for white. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | OneBadDog: True, but depending on what your sources are, there are some openings that do equalize for Black. Looking at NCO there are a number of lines, especially against 1e4, that equalize. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | PinkPanther: True, but only because of inaccuracies made by white. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | acirce: I usually play 11. Bxe6 instead of the Ng5 "gambit". Quite as good, I think. |
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| Jun-01-04 | | OneBadDog: the Qe2 lines are also intersting. |
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| Aug-16-04 | | tomh72000: Do you mean 9.Qe2, the Howell/Keres attack? It seems to give black equality if he knows the theory. |
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| Jul-28-06 | | Ness: after move 6. d4 why isn't the pawn captured? i must be missing something obvious! HELP PLZ |
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| Jul-28-06 | | micartouse: <Ness>The line is considered dangerous for Black because it leads after a series of sharp forcing moves into a clearly superior endgame for White. An exemplary game is: Capablanca vs Edward Lasker, 1915
Also, White can easily force a draw by repetition if he desires. But every once in a while people do risk 6 ... exd4. |
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| Jul-28-06 | | Ness: Ok Thanks for the help micartouse! |
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Aug-20-06
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| Oct-23-06 | | popski: I agree here with <refutor>. Also this opening isn't very confortable to play if you are not Korchnoi. |
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| Apr-11-07 | | soughzin: I think acirce might have the right idea. Ng5 is shocking but I feel pretty prepared for it. One can stand on the shoulders of theory and be ready for a forced draw or win if white slips up. Bxe6 makes me fight For the draw, and a loss if I slip up. Anyone else have an interest in this line? |
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