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| Sep-09-04 | | Giancarlo: suprisingly few have ever declined this gambit. This game seems to give black good drawing chances, and pretty even in the win column |
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| Sep-10-04 | | refutor: i disagree giancarlo...Ruy Lopez (C88) has over 1100 games v. 415 here so it looks like lots of people decline it ;) |
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| Sep-10-04 | | benderules: The real declination comes from play the anti-marshall that is very played in the late times. Specially since Kaspa plays this anti-mars-hall. It is a tacit declaration: the gambit is very correct |
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| Oct-08-04 | | GazoGypsy: Both Anand and Leko have played this from opposite sides recently. In very pivotal games for a win. Anand vs Shirov, 2004
and also Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 Still many options for this exciting line |
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| Oct-08-04 | | e4Newman: The lack of analysis on the Marshall, Worrall and Exchange variations is my only disappointment with Emms' guide on the Lopez. For the Marshall he only discusses the anti Marshall line 8.a4. As I have found the hard way, Lopez players need to know the Marshall these days! |
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| Oct-08-04 | | refutor: a good book on the ruy lopez is called "Mastering the Spanish" by Daniel King and Ponzietto. It has adequate coverage of the lines you give, but mostly it deals with pawn structures. e.g. focusing on the tactics and strategies in the "marshall" or "exchange" pawn structure, which i find helps more than memorizing lines. i know it's unavoidable when playing the marshall, but there's always a point where you get out of theory :) to make a long story short, i highly recommend "mastering the spanish" |
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| Oct-08-04 | | e4Newman: Thanks for the recommendation. Emms does touch on closed position pawn formations, and how to use them as an outpost for knights. I can't remember if he pointed it out but there's a slight similarity to the king's indian with regard to ...c5 and .d5, and as I've said elsewhere, I often play both. For me, in the KID .d5 often fails due to black's KB fianchetto. Of course, we don't see that in the Lopez. |
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| Oct-10-04 | | Miss Ter: Why doesn't any white players try (after Rxe5 c6) Bxd5 cd leaving black with an IQP and getting rid of the pieces on the board? I have won with it on several occasions. |
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| Oct-10-04 | | Shadout Mapes: Quite a few players have tried it, it's the second most played move after d4, but thoery shows it leaves white with a smaller advantage in the long run. It's probably a very effective move against players who don't know the line. |
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| Oct-15-04 | | AdrianP: Tal's record with White against the Marshall is impressive +7 =11 (although I think there may be some duplicates in the database) http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Oct-15-04 | | iron maiden: Actually it's only thirteen games, not counting games as Black and duplicates. So his record moves to an even more impressive +7 =6, although one must add that the opposition he beat, aside from Krogius and Stein, wasn't exactly top-notch. |
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| Mar-07-05 | | GazoGypsy: Suddenly the Marshall is becoming a very popular line. Look how many times in 2004-2005 this line has used, and by top level players. I dare to say its the en vouge line. Maybe even the new Winawer of the 00's. ..... Ok we'll have to wait and see on that one. |
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Mar-08-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: What surprises me about the Marshall is how often the game ends in a draw, which is not exactly what you'd expect of an opening named after Frank. Seriously, though, if you have Black in a must-win situation, and you like defending the Ruy, would you play this line? |
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| Mar-08-05 | | GazoGypsy: It sure beats playing a closed spanish. In a must win with black against the Ruy, this is my first choice. But then again I don't play top teir players. |
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| Mar-08-05 | | wkargel: For the record, I DO play the Marshall, which is in fact a form of the Spanish Closed. True, many games end up draws, but the opening itself is not meant to "settle" for a draw. Black gives up a pawn to try and bottle up the Queenside and initate a Kingside Attack...it is up to White to blunt this attack and for Black to not falter...otherwise, it can often end up a draw...or worse. |
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Mar-15-05
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: GazoGypsy and wkargel, we might have different philosophies here. I always went into a game assuming that my opponents would find the best moves in the opening, unless I knew of a hole in their repetoire. That's why I never played, for example, the Albin. So if I ever defended the Ruy, I would have also have used the Marshall--as a drawing weapon! With, of course, good winning chances if White screwed up. |
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| Apr-28-05 | | cuendillar: Your reason to play the Marshall would apply very well to the Riga variation too. It's not as easy for white to lose, but if white wants to win too badly... But for one line, it's a forced repetition. |
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| May-27-05 | | aw1988: Over the years I've had 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. h3 played against me, more often g3, but h3 too... rarely. I always respond with 14...Bxh3!? and seem to get a good game. Is Bxh3 a refutation? |
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| Jun-18-05 | | aw1988: aw1988-? blitz 2 12:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Be7 7. Re1 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 e4 10. dxc6 exf3 11. Qxf3 Bg4 12. Qg3 Bd6 13. Qh4 Re8 14. Rxe8+ Qxe8 15. f3 Bf5 16. d4 Qxc6 17. Qg5 Bg6 18. Bf4 Re8 19. Nd2 Re2 20. Bxd6 Rxd2 21. Re1 cxd6 22. d5 Qd7 23. Qxd2 h6 24. Qe3 Kh7 25. Qe7 Qxe7 26. Rxe7 a5 27. c4 a4 28. cxb5 axb3 29. axb3 Nxd5 30. Rd7 f6 31. Rxd6 Bf7 32. b6 1-0 resigns |
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| Jul-05-05 | | mandar: <aw>Jun-18-05
<aw1988: aw1988-? blitz 2 12: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Be7 7. Re1 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 e4 10. dxc6 exf3 11. Qxf3 Bg4 12. Qg3 Bd6 13. Qh4 Re8 14. Rxe8+ Qxe8 15. f3 Bf5 16. d4 Qxc6 17. Qg5 Bg6 18. Bf4 Re8 19. Nd2 Re2 20. Bxd6 Rxd2 21. Re1 cxd6 22. d5 Qd7 23. Qxd2 h6 24. Qe3 Kh7 25. Qe7 Qxe7 26. Rxe7 a5 27. c4 a4 28. cxb5 axb3 29. axb3 Nxd5 30. Rd7 f6 31. Rxd6 Bf7 32. b6 1-0 resigns> U will lost to that line if u play me! rxe8 is really very bad.A marshall player (from black)must know when to exchange pices and when to not and when to sac! opponent must punish u after 15.f3 by playing ....Qe2! |
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| Jul-09-05 | | zarra: I like to play the Marshall Attack with both Black and White. With Black I like it, understandably, because of the strong attack which is pleasant to play. With White I like it because of a strong move after the main line <9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3>. Now the move is <15. Re4> which has brought me many wins in my blitz games. The point is that <15... Bf5 16. Rh4> traps the black Queen. If Black plays something else like <15...Bb7> then <16. Rh4> still drives the Queen away and gives White a strong attack along the h-file. One of my games today went <15. Re4 Be6 16. Rh4 Qf5 17. Bc2 Qf6 18. Bxh7+ Kh8 19. Qh5> whereupon Black resigned. The only move to prevent <15. Rh4> is the strange-looking <15...g5> which means that Black must accept a compromised pawn structure and slow down his attack a bit. |
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| Jul-09-05 | | stinky2: Anyone ever encountared 12. a4 in Marshall? |
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| Jul-20-05 | | who: When trying to avoid the Marshall I take Capablanca's advice and play 8.Bd5. It might not be the best move, but it usually scores well for me as black is forced to play a line he is not prepared for, especially seeing as how he was all excited about entering lines which he has prepared well in advance. |
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| Jul-20-05 | | Robin001: In avoiding the Marshall, I recently tried 8. a4 and achieved good results. |
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| Aug-01-05 | | bomb the bishop: a4 seems to have very good results for white |
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