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| Apr-03-18 | | The Boomerang: "Kid actually only beat three GMs (Buhmann (2588), Papp (2604) and Rapport (2715), along with an IM and a couple rather weak masters. In addition he could only draw with Korobov (2664)." Only??....Rapport was 2750 at one stage which is Super Gm category. For a 13 yr old to beat him with black ia astonishing, and with the win collect 1st prize. Is this the greatest performance by a 13yr old ever? |
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Apr-03-18
 | | alexmagnus: He will be 14 and 5 months. Carlsen played his first supertournament at 15, shortly before turning 16. It was a failure, but a valuable lesson - his second supertournament was a failure too, in his third one he finished second. |
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Apr-03-18
| | alexmagnus: My previous post was regarding next year's Classic. |
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| Apr-03-18 | | happyjuggler0: <I don't think he should play in the next Grenke Classic, even if qualified. This is much too early.> He beat Rapport. Rapport is higher rated than four of the players in the Grenke Classic. That seems to suggest that he is capable of beating at least four of the players in that tournament, and able to do so now, not just a year from now. Of course to be able to beat someone is not the same thing as saying he *will* beat them. He is good enough to play in the tournament; it is just that there is an excellent chance that he will wind up in last place with a very low score. That is allowed, and hopefully he will be surrounded by people who will successfully impress upon him that being lowest ranked and then finishing last is nothing to be disgraced about; it is simply the *normal* expectation. Anything he might do above that would be the surprise. |
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Apr-03-18
 | | jaime gallegos: Time to update his profile chessgames.com http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/s... |
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| Apr-03-18 | | Daodejing: Said that 3 years ago ...
Magnus Carlsen (archived) |
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| Apr-03-18 | | nok: I love how there's always a nerd saying he's n months older than X and rated ε lower. Clearly he has no future. |
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| Apr-03-18 | | ndg2: Well Hou has over 2650. I consider 2600 the minimum ELO to not look totally embarrassing. Doubtful he can reach that within one year even with his ELO gain in the open (40 points). |
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| Apr-03-18 | | whiteshark: In a post tournament interview Vincent said that he's not sure he should insist on playing the Grenke Classic next year. "They are so much better." related CB report: https://de.chessbase.com/post/13-ja... |
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| Apr-03-18 | | varishnakov: I think they should post the games from the Open here on chessgames. |
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| Apr-03-18 | | Solon: When Carlsen won the C-group in Wijk in 2004 I said to a friend that he would be World Champion one day because ”many kids can win against world class players but winning tournaments, that is entirely different”. So I have no doubt that this guy will be WC in not so many years. Now to my question: can you experts recommend some brilliant games of his? Which are the best games in the database? |
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| Apr-03-18 | | happyjuggler0: He has good initials for a top chess player. !? or ?! |
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Apr-03-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Solon,
Well spotted, here Technical Draw has the rights to that one with his 2004 comment: "The Search for Bobby Fischer is over."
Magnus Carlsen (kibitz #34) |
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Apr-03-18
 | | FSR: <BobbieM: You’re counting a draw vs Riff as a win.> No, I counted it as a draw - 2503 (Riff's rating). |
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| Apr-03-18 | | Solon: Sally, I didn’t mean to brag, just to point out that winning strong tournaments is completely different from making a draw in a rapid game against Kasparov when you are 13, or even winning such a game. Vincent’s victory is even more impressive than Carlsen’s win in Wijk aan Zee and I’m completely convinced he will be number 1 one day. |
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Apr-03-18
| | FSR: <Solon> Ughur Ilyasli vs Vincent Keymer, 2016 is entertaining. His last-round game against Rapport is a cool example of a king flight from g8 to a8. I haven't seen any super-brilliancies. He is a positional player, so you don't see a lot of games where he sacs all his pieces. Here is the Rapport game: [Event "GRENKE Chess Open 2018"]
[Site "Karlsruhe, Germany"]
[Date "2018.04.02"]
[EventDate "2018.03.??"]
[Round "9.2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Richard Rapport"]
[Black "Vincent Keymer"]
[ECO "D54"]
[WhiteElo "2715"]
[BlackElo "2403"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e3 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. Rc1 Nbd7 8. cxd5 exd5 9. Bd3 c6 10. Bg3 Re8 11. h3 Bb4 12. Nf3 Ne4 13. Bf4 c5 14. O-O Bxc3 15. bxc3 Nb6 16. Ne5 f6 17. Ng4 c4 18. Bb1 h5 19. Nh2 g5 20. Qxh5 gxf4 21. f3 Nd6 22. Qh7+ Kf8 23. Qh6+ Ke7 24. Qg7+ Ke6 25. Rfe1 Re7 26. Qg4+ f5 27. Bxf5+ Nxf5 28. Qg6+ Kd7 29. Qxf5+ Kc6 30. Qxf4 Be6 31. e4 Qg8 32. Qh6 Kc7 33. Kh1 Rf8 34. Re2 Rh7 35. Qd2 Kb8 36. Rce1 dxe4 37. fxe4 Bd7 38. Rf2 Re8 39. Qf4+ Ka8 40. Nf3 Rf8 41. Qh2 Na4 42. Re3 a6 43. Qe5 Bxh3 44. Kg1 Rg7 45. Nh4 Rxf2 46. Kxf2 Rxg2+ 47. Nxg2 Qxg2+ 48. Ke1 Qf1+ 49. Kd2 Bg4 50. Qe8+ Ka7 51. Qxa4 Qf2+ 0-1 |
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Apr-03-18
| | FSR: Incidentally, folks, crowning Keymer world champion is decidedly premature. There are 31 players so far who have become grandmasters before their 15th birthday (something Keymer has yet to do). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess... Of those, Carlsen is the world champion, Ponomariov was the FIDE world champion, Leko came within one game of becoming champion, and Hou Yifan was the women's world champion. Most, possibly all, of the others aren't going to make it. |
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Apr-03-18
 | | saffuna: Some prodigies become great. Some fall short. Too early to say with Keymer. I'd say it's a safe bet that he'll reach 2700, though. I was really impressed with his analysis of the Rapport game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPC... Calm and objective, very mature. |
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| Apr-03-18 | | fisayo123: <FSR> Keymer barely plays out of Germany and even then he's not so active in tournaments with GM norm possibilities. <There are 31 players so far who have become grandmasters before their 15th birthday (something Keymer has yet to do)> If Keymer was as active as some of the other prodigies out there about his age, he could very well have been a GM by now. It's nowhere near as black and white as your statement makes it. Judging by what I saw from him in some of the cadet youth championships (and hence the 2nd kibitz on this thread which is from me) Keymer is as good as any player in the world U-14 right now. He's just not as active and/or playing enough of the right tournaments so he can't improve his rating that quickly or get GM norms. |
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Apr-03-18
| | Sally Simpson: I don't think you are bragging Solon, I said well spotted, agree with you the way this lad is going he will up there challenging within the next few years. At the moment he is Prince Vince. Will it be King Keymer. |
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Apr-03-18
| | alexmagnus: Only four players became GMs at a younger age than Keymer is now. And he has three months for two norms to remain in 4th (the four players are Karjakin, Abdusattorov, Negi and Carlsen) |
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Apr-03-18
| | alexmagnus: And who said you should become GM young to become a top player anyway?Mamedyarov got his title at 17. |
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Apr-03-18
| | saffuna: I hope he looks to improve his game rather than watch his ELO or earn GM norms. When he's an adult nobody will care how he played when he was 14 or 15. They'll care about how he's playing at that moment. Peter Leko was extremely careful and risk-averse as a teenager, drawing game after game rather trying to win if it involved some chance of losing. I wonder if that had a negative effect on his later career. |
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Apr-03-18
| | alexmagnus: <I wonder if that had a negative effect on his later career.> Did it? He didn't become world champion because he was <not> able to <draw> the final game of the WC match.. |
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Apr-03-18
| | Sally Simpson: Vincent is possibly gifted at music as well. His dad in a concert pianist, mum plays in an orchestra and he plays the piano. Maybe best to follow the musical path and join a rock 'n' roll band. He will meet a more stable bunch of people than chess players. :) |
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