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| Feb-14-04 | | Catfriend: <chessgames.com> 1983?! The last game shown here belongs to somebody else of course. <Taidanii> His score doesn't, neccesarily, say he's very weak. Look at some of his opponents! Steinitz, Andersen, Paulsen, Lowental, Macdonnell, Mongredien (whom he defeated!), Owen... Half of the strongest players of the century! |
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| Feb-14-04 | | Taidanii: Haha. I see your point. I honestly didn't pay attention to his opponents. My mistake. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | Catfriend: Mongredien vs V Green, 1862
He plays quite O.K. here, doesn't he? |
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| Feb-14-04 | | Taidanii: Indeed he does. A real thrashing, that game. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | marcus13: I am sur he his a good player if he can draw against Steinitz. |
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| Oct-28-04 | | aw1988: Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine... Good heavens, we could go for hours. |
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| Oct-28-04 | | WMD: No relation to Valentine Brown, though: Cecil Valentine De Vere. |
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| Feb-14-09 | | WhiteRook48: funny thing. Valentine Green is player of the day on Valentine's day |
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| Feb-14-09 | | YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day! |
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| Feb-14-09 | | kramputz: <Feb-14-09 YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day! >
I thought it was Al Capone Day.
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| Mar-04-09 | | WhiteRook48: this guy is too green |
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| May-03-09 | | vikinx: <Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine...> Yes, I agree. |
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Feb-14-12
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: <The Oxford Companion to Chess say the name caught on after a
player called Valentine Green (1831-77) returned from India and
introduced the fianchetto into tournament play. > http://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/onl... I don't have access to the Companion presently, but is this true? |
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| Jun-24-17 | | zanzibar: Too bad his game against "The Brahmin", from his time in India, isn't here. Nor his loss as White in a From Gambit against Healy. Or his Mongredien Tourney games (e.g. against De Vere). BTW- he wasn't exactly a strong player, but wasn't too bad for an amateur: EDO ave = 2280 Peak = 2304 (1856)
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| Jun-24-17 | | zanzibar: Correction - Healey (not Healy)
Francis Healey |
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Jan-05-19
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<Gaige (1987)> confirms that he died in London, but I couldn't find any death notices in the British press. As for chess magazines, 1877 seemed a particularly unfortunate year to die. The <Westminster Papers> was, apparently, the only British periodical
in circulation, and I don't have access to it.
The Era, July 28th 1861, p.5:
<MR. VALENTINE GREEN, an Amateur whose name and reputation are well known in Chess circles, has just arrived in this country, after a long absence in India. On his arrival, Mr. Green immediately intimated to the Managing Director his intention of competing in the grand Tournament at Bristol. Mr. Green is at present in the North, but will shortly arrive in London, where his presence will, no doubt, be a source of much interest to Chess society. We are pleased to hear that Mr. Green has lost nothing of his old enthusiasm for the noble game, and that it is his intention to publish a little volume, recording his Chess experience in India, together with the games he played there with natives as well as Europeans.> Edochess gives Green's last recorded chess before his moving to India as c.March 1856. Returning in July 1861 means that he could have been out of the country for up to 5 years. Bristol Daily Post, September 9th 1861, p.2:
<Foremost in the list we find the Grand Tournament, in which some of the strongest players in the world will compete; the names already entered comprise among others that of Boden, reputed to be the strongest of English players. Kolisch also, who aspires to an equality with Morphy, Valentine Green, who has just returned from his encounters with the great Indian celebrities, and last not least, that of Paulsen, in some respects the most wonderful player who ever lived.> This was printed the day before the Bristol event began; for whatever reason, Green didn't show and Wilson (mentioned as taking part in the Minor tournament) took his place: Game Collection: Bristol 1861 |
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Sep-19-22
| | MissScarlett: The <Alumni Oxonienses> has: <Green, Valentine, 1s. Valentine, of Knipton, co. Leicester, cler. ORIEL COLL., matric. 21 Feb., 1850, aged 18; postmaster Merton College 1850-4.> <John Wyliot grants Merton property to fund scholars and establishes undergraduates on a permanent basis at the college for the first time. These scholars later come to be known as 'Postmasters'.> https://www.merton.ox.ac.uk/node/1562 |
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Sep-19-22
| | MissScarlett: In the 1851 census, Valentine is a <Student at Oxford> in the Yorkshire village of Birkin. His father - also Valentine - is the parish rector. He has three younger sisters, aged 17, 16 and under 3 months. The gap is explained by the fact that his father has a new wife, Sophia, aged 31. |
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Jan-15-25
 | | jnpope: <zanzibar: Too bad his game against "The Brahmin", from his time in India, isn't here.> I've found three even strength games against Harri Runchunder played in Poonab, India (becomes Poona later and eventually Pune in 1978). |
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| Jan-16-25 | | stone free or die: If anyone, like me, is scratching their head who <The Brahmin> was, there's this mention here: https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... . |
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| Jan-16-25 | | stone free or die: (I don't think this <Runchunder> guy qualifiers as a <Brahmin> contender as he prefers to utilize c6 as a landing pad for his knight) |
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Jan-16-25
| | jnpope: <We have been favoured by Mr. Green, who is at present residing at Poonab, with some Chess games with a Brahmin, Mr. Harri Runchunder, of whose powers Mr. Green has formed a very high opinion.>
Source: (London) Era, 1858.04.04, p13
If I find evidence of Green playing another Brahmin I shall let you know, but at this point the only Brahmin that we know Green played is Runchunder.Also, here's the full game referenced by Winter:
<Game between Mr. V. Green and a Brahmin.>
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 e6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.O-O c5 7.c3 Nc6 8.b3 b6 9.a4 a6 10.Ng5 g6 11.f4 cxd4 12.cxd4 Nxd4 13.g4 Bc5 14.Kh1 h6 15.Nxf7 Kxf7 16.f5 Nxe5 17.fxg6+ Kg7 18.Bf4 Nxd3 19.Qxd3 Nc6 20.Qg3 Bd4 21.Nd2 Bxa1 22.Rxa1 Qf6 23.Rf1 Kxg6 24.Qd3+ Kg7 25.g5 Qg6 26.gxh6+ Kh7 27.Rg1 Rg8 28.Rxg6 Rxg6 29.Nf3 e5 30.Nh4 Ne7 31.Nxg6 Nxg6 32.h4 Bg4 33.Qxd5 Ra7 34.Bxe5 Rd7 35.Bd6 Bf3+ 36.Qxf3 Rxd6 37.Qb7+ Kxh6 38.Qxa6 Nxh4 39.a5 Rd2 40.axb6 Nf3 41.b7+ Kh7 42.b8=Q 1-0
Source: White Scrapbook, part 4, pdf p22 (Cassell's Illustrated Family Paper, dated 1859.07.16, p111)
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| Jan-16-25 | | stone free or die: You've dug a lot out, and I will admit he's the leading contender. Of course, there are oodles of brahmins in India. |
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Jan-16-25
| | jnpope: Agreed. It's the main reason I haven't attributed the <Brahmin> game as being played by Runchunder. Cassell's gives another game, again not mentioning Green's opponent by name. |
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