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Valentine Green
Number of games in database: 51
Years covered: 1853 to 1870

Overall record: +7 -25 =8 (27.5%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 11 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Giuoco Piano (6) 
    C50 C53 C54
With the Black pieces:
 King's Gambit Accepted (5) 
    C39 C33
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   V Green vs J Robey, 1862 1-0
   Steinitz vs V Green, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs R Brien, 1856 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Owen, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Steinitz, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Steinitz, 1863 1/2-1/2

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   5th BCA Congress, London (1862)

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(born Dec-27-1831, died Jan-31-1877, 45 years old) United Kingdom

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 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 58  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. NN vs V Green 0-1291852Casual gameC53 Giuoco Piano
2. V Green vs J Finch 1-0301852Casual gameC51 Evans Gambit
3. Forshall vs V Green  0-1351853Casual gameC53 Giuoco Piano
4. V Green vs Forshall  0-1311853Casual gameC53 Giuoco Piano
5. C Kenny vs V Green 1-0511855Kling's Coffee House tC44 King's Pawn Game
6. V Green vs C Marett  1-0301855Kling's Coffee HouseC50 Giuoco Piano
7. V Green vs C Kenny  ½-½321855MatchA10 English
8. Zytogorski vs V Green 1-0251855Kling's Coffee HouseC44 King's Pawn Game
9. V Green vs C Kenny 1-0311855Kling's Coffee HouseC41 Philidor Defense
10. R Brien vs V Green  0-1271856McDonnell Chess ClubC51 Evans Gambit
11. V Green vs R Brien ½-½231856McDonnell Chess ClubC20 King's Pawn Game
12. V Green vs Zytogorski  0-1421861LondonC51 Evans Gambit
13. Dubois vs V Green  1-03918625th BCA Congress, LondonC45 Scotch Game
14. A Mongredien vs V Green 0-12918625th BCA Congress, LondonC33 King's Gambit Accepted
15. V Green vs G MacDonnell 0-12718625th BCA Congress, LondonC41 Philidor Defense
16. V Green vs Steinitz ½-½381862Casual gameA02 Bird's Opening
17. S Solomons vs V Green 0-1371862LondonA10 English
18. S Solomons vs V Green  1-0231862LondonA30 English, Symmetrical
19. V Green vs J Robey 1-03018625th BCA Congress, LondonC25 Vienna
20. Anderssen vs V Green 1-02618625th BCA Congress, LondonC39 King's Gambit Accepted
21. E Harris vs V Green  0-1341862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
22. E Harris vs V Green 1-0131862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
23. V Green vs Owen 0-15918625th BCA Congress, LondonB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
24. Owen vs V Green  ½-½4818625th BCA Congress, LondonA13 English
25. V Green vs Owen  ½-½2818625th BCA Congress, LondonA02 Bird's Opening
 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 58  PGN Download
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Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Ouch...
Feb-14-04  Catfriend: <> 1983?! The last game shown here belongs to somebody else of course.

<Taidanii> His score doesn't, neccesarily, say he's very weak. Look at some of his opponents! Steinitz, Andersen, Paulsen, Lowental, Macdonnell, Mongredien (whom he defeated!), Owen... Half of the strongest players of the century!

Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Haha. I see your point. I honestly didn't pay attention to his opponents. My mistake.
Feb-14-04  Catfriend: Mongredien vs V Green, 1862
He plays quite O.K. here, doesn't he?
Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Indeed he does. A real thrashing, that game.
Feb-14-04  marcus13: I am sur he his a good player if he can draw against Steinitz.
Oct-28-04  aw1988: Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine...

Good heavens, we could go for hours.

Oct-28-04  WMD: No relation to Valentine Brown, though: Cecil Valentine De Vere.
Feb-14-09  WhiteRook48: funny thing. Valentine Green is player of the day on Valentine's day
Feb-14-09  YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day!
Feb-14-09  kramputz: <Feb-14-09 YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day! > I thought it was Al Capone Day.

Mar-04-09  WhiteRook48: this guy is too green
May-03-09  vikinx: <Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine...> Yes, I agree.
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  Penguincw: Perfect POTD!
Jan-18-16  zanzibar: <The Oxford Companion to Chess say the name caught on after a player called Valentine Green (1831-77) returned from India and introduced the fianchetto into tournament play. >

I don't have access to the Companion presently, but is this true?

Jun-24-17  zanzibar: Too bad his game against "The Brahmin", from his time in India, isn't here.

Nor his loss as White in a From Gambit against Healy.

Or his Mongredien Tourney games (e.g. against De Vere).

BTW- he wasn't exactly a strong player, but wasn't too bad for an amateur:

EDO ave = 2280 Peak = 2304 (1856)


Jun-24-17  zanzibar: Correction - Healey (not Healy)

Francis Healey

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  MissScarlett: Appears to be a distinct paucity of biographical detail for this player, although he was fleetingly active on the London chess scene for a number of years:

<Gaige (1987)> confirms that he died in London, but I couldn't find any death notices in the British press. As for chess magazines, 1877 seemed a particularly unfortunate year to die. The <Westminster Papers> was, apparently, the only British periodical in circulation, and I don't have access to it.

The Era, July 28th 1861, p.5:

<MR. VALENTINE GREEN, an Amateur whose name and reputation are well known in Chess circles, has just arrived in this country, after a long absence in India. On his arrival, Mr. Green immediately intimated to the Managing Director his intention of competing in the grand Tournament at Bristol. Mr. Green is at present in the North, but will shortly arrive in London, where his presence will, no doubt, be a source of much interest to Chess society. We are pleased to hear that Mr. Green has lost nothing of his old enthusiasm for the noble game, and that it is his intention to publish a little volume, recording his Chess experience in India, together with the games he played there with natives as well as Europeans.>

Edochess gives Green's last recorded chess before his moving to India as c.March 1856. Returning in July 1861 means that he could have been out of the country for up to 5 years.

Bristol Daily Post, September 9th 1861, p.2:

<Foremost in the list we find the Grand Tournament, in which some of the strongest players in the world will compete; the names already entered comprise among others that of Boden, reputed to be the strongest of English players. Kolisch also, who aspires to an equality with Morphy, Valentine Green, who has just returned from his encounters with the great Indian celebrities, and last not least, that of Paulsen, in some respects the most wonderful player who ever lived.>

This was printed the day before the Bristol event began; for whatever reason, Green didn't show and Wilson (mentioned as taking part in the Minor tournament) took his place: Game Collection: Bristol 1861

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  MissScarlett: The <Alumni Oxonienses> has:

<Green, Valentine, 1s. Valentine, of Knipton, co. Leicester, cler. ORIEL COLL., matric. 21 Feb., 1850, aged 18; postmaster Merton College 1850-4.>

<John Wyliot grants Merton property to fund scholars and establishes undergraduates on a permanent basis at the college for the first time. These scholars later come to be known as 'Postmasters'.>

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  MissScarlett: In the 1851 census, Valentine is a <Student at Oxford> in the Yorkshire village of Birkin. His father - also Valentine - is the parish rector. He has three younger sisters, aged 17, 16 and under 3 months. The gap is explained by the fact that his father has a new wife, Sophia, aged 31.

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