Mar-21-16
 | | Domdaniel: These games seem to be played by Hugh Doyle.
So why is he listed as "D. Doyle"? |
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Mar-21-16
 | | HeMateMe: It's a mystery to me....deep waters, Dom. |
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| Mar-21-16 | | zanzibar: FIDE card of a Hugh Doyle:
http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...
dob 1995 rating 2019
In the old days I could check the activity in 2008 to make sure it matches the games listed here. If someone has FIDE connections, please ask them to kindly revert to more open access for all. Most recent activity: Munster Chess Union Division 1 Rounds 7 and 8 |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: I downloaded the tournament PGN zipfile for Irl-ch Dublin Irl 2008 from BritBase, and the eight games shown above were included. Each featured the denominations "Doyle,H." and "Doyle,Hugh." Here's the link:
http://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/bri... |
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| Mar-21-16 | | zanzibar: <luft> did Saunders include the Fide_ID for the players in the games? (I guess I could look, but I'll ask anyway) |
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| Mar-21-16 | | zanzibar: I just looked, and no, Saunders doesn't include the FIDE ID. He does include ELO ratings, if available. It seems Doyle was unrated in 2008.
I'd like to connect the player to a FIDE ID, and there isn't anything new it seems. We already knew a Hugh Doyle played in IRL ch 2008. As for the short name, that's probably just a typo on <CG>'s part. They keep two seperate list of names for players, a long name and a short name. |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: From the Irish Chess Union's page (edited by Mark Orr, last updated July 23, 2014) for the Irish Chess Championship 2008, the cross-table lists Hugh Doyle's rating (Elo rating, perhaps) as "1697." Here's the link:
http://www.icu.ie/articles/188#r |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: The ICU has its own ratings, it seems, and so the rating above for Hugh Doyle may be an ICU rating. Here's a description:
http://ratings.icu.ie/articles/24 |
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| Mar-21-16 | | zanzibar: <luft> If he's the FIDE guy, then dob '95 makes him ~13 in 2008. Quite possible that a 13 starts at ~1700 and improves to ~2100 over eight years. But for the bio we need to tie the FIDE player to the player here, and I don't think the rating is the way to do that. I'm going to leave it here (for me anyways). Just wanted to suggest the <CG> player is likely the same as the FIDE player. But I'm not confident enough to actually suggest an edit yet. |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: As of October 2008, Hugh Doyle's FIDE rating was "1910." Here's the link:
http://ratings.icu.ie/fide_ratings?... |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: <zanzibar>: Just wanted to provide rating information for Hugh Doyle, including FIDE rating information from 2008, in case that might prove useful. You had mentioned it seemed he had been unrated in 2008, and so I thought I'd reply in that vein. The ICU site does provide Hugh Doyle's ICU ID (10145), and a complete history of his ICU and FIDE ratings (in tabular and graphic form), but not his FIDE activity from 2008. (His FIDE profile linked above lists a number -- his ID number, perhaps -- as "2500876.") |
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| Mar-21-16 | | luftforlife: <zanzibar>: I have located the page for the 2008 Irish Chess Championships on FIDE's website. It lists Hugh Doyle as playing in that tournament, and lists his FIDE ID number as it appears on his current FIDE card: "2500876." Here's the link:
https://ratings.fide.com/tournament... |
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Mar-22-16
 | | offramp: If we can't sort this out, what are we going to do? |
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| Mar-22-16 | | luftforlife: <offramp>: I believe whatever might have needed sorting has been sorted. I hadn't known until yesterday that FIDE information is (or at least is at times) a sine qua non of player-biography correction or updating (if that's what one seeks to accomplish), but that's sensible and sound, and good to know, and now we have information from FIDE confirming Hugh Doyle's participation in the 2008 Irish Championships, should that be desirable. Hope you're well. Kind regards. |
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| Mar-22-16 | | zanzibar: <offramp>, Hugh sees all, Hugh knows all. |
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Mar-22-16
| | offramp: Perhaps Chessgames.com should go back to formula. |
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| Mar-22-16 | | zanzibar: This formula?
http://grecian-formula.com/
Works for 'em all! |
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Mar-22-16
| | offramp: Yes. That is the formula. Either that or we could all meet up hold hands and jump off a big cliff. I prefer the cliff concept. |
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| Mar-22-16 | | zanzibar: Well, to be serious for a moment...
If FIDE didn't start hiding info, I could have matched the player up right at the get-go, and have been done with the topic. Would have saved <luft> a bit of work. |
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Mar-22-16
 | | perfidious: <zed> If Anand can 'hide prep', why can't FIDE hide info? |
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| Mar-22-16 | | zanzibar: FIDE can, and will, do whatever it damn well wants to. I'll still squawk though. (That change can within the last year I think)
I guess "hidden prep" is better than "prep walk", but not by much. |
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Mar-26-16
| | Domdaniel: It's fascinating just how much activity has been generated by my initial query. Coincidentally, I played Hugh Doyle just last week, in the Cork Masters. I lost - my only defeat in a six-round swiss. I think I've now played him about 6 times. He won the first one, 7 or 8 years ago -- at a time when I still had a significantly higher rating, so that Hugh actually won a "David v Goliath" prize in that event. I won the next one -- I remember commenting at the time that I *had* to beat him because I might not get the chance again. Our 3rd game was a draw, and he's won every game since then - 3 or 4 of them. Yes, ouch.
I reckon he is still some way short of Master strength, but he's getting there - and he's only 20. |
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Mar-26-16
| | Domdaniel: <Zanzibar> - <Quite possible that a 13 starts at ~1700 and improves to ~2100 over eight years.> Just so. Hugh Doyle was aged about 13 and rated about 1500 (ICU) when I first played him, approx. 7-8 years ago. His (ICU) rating quickly shot up to about 2050, then fell back to 1900 or so, and is now back over 2000. I think his FIDE rating is similar. He has scored extremely well in the Munster Chess League for the past couple of years, playing board 1 for the Cork team. |
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| Mar-26-16 | | luftforlife: <Domdaniel>: Congratulations on your performance at the Cork Masters. Hugh Doyle's historical FIDE and ICU ratings are available in tabular and graphic form here: http://ratings.icu.ie/fide_ratings?... If one clicks on "2019" next to "2016 Mar," one may see the historical ratings data in graphic form. (Turns out if one hovers the cursor over his name, his FIDE ID is revealed as well.) Best wishes for continued success. Kind regards. |
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