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Ladislaus von Perenyi
Number of games in database: 9
Years covered: 1846 to 1851
Overall record: +1 -8 =0 (11.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games.

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C39 King's Gambit Accepted (3 games)

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Von der Lasa vs L von Perenyi  1-0351846MatchC38 King's Gambit Accepted
2. L von Perenyi vs W Hanstein  1-0351846MatchC45 Scotch Game
3. Von der Lasa vs L von Perenyi 1-0251846MatchC39 King's Gambit Accepted
4. Harrwitz vs L von Perenyi  1-0381851MatchC32 King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit
5. L von Perenyi vs Harrwitz  0-1291851MatchC30 King's Gambit Declined
6. L von Perenyi vs Harrwitz 0-1271851MatchB20 Sicilian
7. Harrwitz vs L von Perenyi  1-0461851MatchC39 King's Gambit Accepted
8. Harrwitz vs L von Perenyi  1-0301851MatchC39 King's Gambit Accepted
9. L von Perenyi vs Harrwitz  0-1271851MatchC53 Giuoco Piano
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Kibitzer's Corner
Mar-30-21  Z4all: Do anybody have a clue for where all these games came from, i.e. an original source?


Apr-05-21  Z4all: Still waiting for help on sourcing - somebody should know as I think the games were added fairly recently.

(Actually, I don't know exactly when these games were added to the <CG> db, is that kind of info available to the editors?)

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<Baron Perenyi is the author of the Chess work named above — a work which is to be recommended to all who wish to acquire the faculty of reading the openings of games, or of playing without seeing the Chess board. In style of play, he is cool and steady, and appears always contented to direct his efforts to the achievement of a drawn battle. He seldom ventures on a Gambit|; neither as second player does he play the French, or K. P. one game. Having obtained an advantage, he pursues it with unflinching tenacity ; but he mostly declines the gain of a Pawn if it in volves a difficult defence.>

(CPC v7 (1846) p404 - Chess-Play in Vienna - Heydebrand)

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  MissScarlett: I suggest you take it up with User: Jean Defuse.
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  Tabanus: Perhaps somewhere in
Apr-06-21  Z4all: Thanks <Missy> & <Tab>.

I'll pop a note in over at the Bistro for <Monsieur Defuse>...

And thanks for the reminder <Tab>. I thought I did a quick search already, but I'm so out of practice I don't trust myself fully, just yet.

Today I'm going through an <anno> search on:

<"perenyi schach"~200>

(the ~200 trick forces the search words to be within 200 words of each other)

Seems thin, once again. Still, I think I got a hit providing some info -

The 2nd paragraph of the Feuilleton seems to indicate that Baron Perenyi had already died by 1857. Can a German speaker confirm?

Actually, do we have any other bio info on this guy?

Apr-06-21  login:

" ... durch seine [= Johann Baptist Allgaier ] Schüler, deren bester, der Baron von Perenyi, ebenfalls schon vom Feld des Lebens verschwand, ... "

Following this particular paragraph - where the author enjoyed 'playing' with different terms (Bühne des Lebens, Schachfeld), it's correct to assume that the subject had already passed before the date of the writing/publication.

Plus, at first glance the present games should have been taken from Daniel Harrwitz 's edits in 'The Family Friend' magazine, London.

Apr-06-21  login:

Initial/vague traces ...

Title of nobility:
Freiherr von .../Baron ...

k. k. Kämmerer und [Honorär-] Hofsekretär
(Allgemeine Zeitung. Nr. 73. Augsburg, 13. März 1840)

Resident i.a.:
Teinfaltstraße 66, Wien,
next to Graf György Apponyi

Place of birth (*?)

Linage: (p. 87)


Zsigmond Perényi (brother?) is a dazzling figure in the Hungarian Revolution of 1848. Did Ladislaus have had a similar faith, if any? We will see ...

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  beatgiant: <login>
Based on what do you assume that Zsigmond Perényi is a possible brother? I looked into that theory myself before, but found no evidence for it.
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  beatgiant: <login>
I'm also not understanding your reasons for the other claims above (occupation, place of residence, lineage). As I found while trying to research this, Ladisalus Perényi is not a rare name in central Europe, so we need to take care when making such connections.
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  Jean Defuse: ...

<Z4all> the games are from the JWD. As <login> mentioned, some games have been published in "The Family Friend" - for example:

Harrwitz vs Ladislaus von Perenyi, 1851 see:

<Harrwitz spells Perenyi as Perigny> which complicates the search for sources...

Ludwig Bachmann, section IV of his second volume from 'From Past Times' (game 162 p.283-284), give for Ladislaus von Perenyi vs Harrwitz, 1851 the year 1852 & the 'British Chess Review' 1854 as source.



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  Jean Defuse: ...

'British Chess Review' 1854 <Harrwitz v Baron Pereny> p. 92-96


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  MissScarlett: The 1846 games are new, aren't they? I thought submitted games now had to carry a Source tag.
Apr-17-21  Z4all: Thanks all for the info.

<Jean> - special thanks for the sources. I originally found the <Family Friend> source, also, which piqued my interest in the player.

OK then, this leads to another question - <CG> lists the games as <match> games, but on what basis?

The <Family Friend> just lists the one game, sans context, while the <BCR (1854)> source just says:

<<>"Games played at Vienna, between the Baron Pereny, and the Editor."<>>

My preference would be to categorize the games as a series of friendly games, reserving the match characterization for more formal encounters (e.g. with clear conditions, such as number of games and winner definitions, etc.).

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  MissScarlett: <more formal encounters (e.g. with clear conditions, such as number of games and winner definitions, etc.).>

A set match, you mean? I remember someone claiming Bobby Fischer coined the expression, but I've seen it a few times in 19th century chess literature.

Apr-17-21  Z4all: What defines a match?

Usually some sort of an agreement between the players prior to play.

In comparison to a series of encounters where the players are basically engaging in casual games.

So, what exactly is a "set match"?

(And how does it differ from a "match")

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