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| Feb-02-03 | | JGD: I think Fischerandom is a great way to enjoy chess on a social level. I would also be interested if players like Kasparov played in tournaments of the variant. However, I do not see the need to abolish the process of studying opening lines. It offers a key part of the game--having the ultimate choice of your opening style (it is a nice feeling knowing that you can fully play the Najdorf Poison Pawn or just lay back on the solid petroff). My style of play is comparable to Korchnoi, whom I admired for his amazing opening preparation and work ethic. I beleive that this desire to put hard work into chess simply isn't acknowledged in Fischerandom, a game which is essentially impossible to study |
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| Feb-07-03 | | oblivion95: "work ethic"? It's a game. Study physics. Play chess.
It's no fun to lose to somebody who memorized his moves and plays them mechanically. It's like playing tennis against the automatic ball serving machine.
People who enjoy studying openings should stick to correspondence chess. |
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| Feb-07-03 | | refutor: "work ethic" is involved in chess...you can "study" combinations, endings, openings, all parts of the game |
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Feb-07-03
 | | Sneaky: The "Chess work ethic" was discussed by Botvinnik. The idea is simple: if you end up at the Pearly Gates and report to St. Pete that you've spent your life hanging out in billiards halls, becoming a real good pool shark, he won't be very happy with you. But if you tell him you hung out in chess clubs, becoming a chess master, he'll pull out his set and offer you a game. Why the double-standard? Because this is CHESS for crying out loud, and God almighty Himself knows that it is the most noble and dignified of all human sports! |
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| Feb-18-03 | | dj brooks: well, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PLAY FISCHERRANDOM CHESS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Feb-19-03 | | pawntificator: Amen Sneaky!! |
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| Apr-01-03 | | Moo: I do like FischerRandom. I also like Bughouse, crazyhouse, Atomic, loser and Marseillais. They are variants of chess. Chess is the game, period. |
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| Apr-07-03 | | CG Quake: Anyone know of a good computer that can play Fischer Random on the internet? |
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| Apr-07-03 | | BLD9802: Bobby Fischer himself claims that he would play a Fischerandom chess match today. |
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| May-08-03 | | dbailey: What is the position number for a "normal" game, with the pieces actually set up in orthodox manner? |
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May-08-03
 | | chessgames.com: It happens to be number 54. |
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| May-08-03 | | dbailey: Shouldn't that be excluded? For the purpose is to get away from the opening theroy that Fischer seems to dislike. |
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| May-08-03 | | mdorothy: I don't think any position should be excluded, even heavily analyzed ones. If someone were to take position 104 (for example), and come up with a very in-depth opening theory, would you want to throw it out?? No, i think we should leave them all in. Then the only problem is making sure it is really random, and the equal probability of each position is not slanted by cheating to get a studied position. (Unless of course an unstoppable win is found in a position) |
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| May-09-03 | | dbailey: Well, i don't think anyone could really (or would want to) find any opening theory for one of these 959 board positions. It would be a waste of time, and you only have a 1 in 959 chance of getting that board again to put all that time into winning results. Even the opening theory of a normal game hasn't been fully explored yet, and so i doubt people can even scratch the surface in opening theory for Fischerandom. About finding an unstoppable win, i don't believe their is one, for any of these positions. Due to the symmetrical setup of black's pieces to whites. We haven't found an unstoppable win for the normal game, and i highly doubt there is one for Fischerandom. There is a better chance for 50 billion blind men to all solve their Rubik's Cube at the same time, then to find an unstoppable win, in any starting position. |
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| Jun-22-03 | | alhine: To dbailey: You are right. The basic idea of FR is to require the player to "figure it out OTB" instead of relying on opening theory. Exciting fresh new games result, but mistakes increase due to the impossible task of "figuring it all out". The tendency for mistakes in FR can be offset somewhat in only one way: time constraints. Isn't it an interesting parallel how the popular blitz tournaments produce exciting yet mistake filled games (primarily due to the reduced time constraints). This is the same results we see in FR. Time constraints control everything in chess. |
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| Jun-25-03 | | popski: Where I can find some FR GM games here? I begining to like this strange way of chess! Heh, Crafty dont support (but can show PGN's) this FR option. I wonder why, hehe ... |
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| Jun-25-03 | | chessamateur: <popski> I believe there was a fischer random tourney is Mainz recently in which Anand, Leko, Kramnik and some other GMs took part in. I don't have any other information, unfortuantely. |
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| Jun-25-03 | | chessamateur: Wait so in position #487, how would you castle? |
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| Jun-25-03 | | popski: <chessamateur> III.c. Sometimes the King will not need to move; sometimes the Rook will not need to move. That's OK. |
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| Jun-26-03 | | Taboknoy: is there an actual fisherandom game posted? |
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| Jun-26-03 | | popski: <chessgames.com> Give us some GMs FR games and put it under FR openings, please. |
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| Jun-26-03 | | refutor: they can't for 2 reasons...
1) there's not many GM FR games ;)
2) the game viewers can only show games which castle normally (e.g. they can only interpret O-O one way and that's the king going from e1-g1 and the rook going from h1-f1) |
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Jun-26-03
| | chessgames.com: We do have this one Leko vs Michael Adams, 2001 and I think one other. |
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| Jun-27-03 | | Bears092: Leko vs Michael Adams, 2001
Leko vs Michael Adams, 2001 |
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| Jun-27-03 | | paffamb: What do you think about position n°54? |
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