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Oct-13-13 | | thomastonk: This is the old version of the biography: <"George Walker was an author and chess organiser who did a great deal to promote chess. He founded both the Westminster Chess Club in 1831 and the St.Georges (sic) Club in 1834 (sic) and as an author wrote about the game in his chess columns in 'The Lancet' and 'Bell's Life'."> This text was probably derived from "The Oxford Companion to Chess", where under the key "Walker" the following fragments can be found (2nd edition, 1996, p 444): <"English chess writer and propagandist."> <".. he had the temerity to edit a chess column in the Lancet (1823-24).."> <"He founded chess clubs, notably the Westminster at Huttman's (sic) in 1831 and the St George's at Hanover Square in 1843. From 1835 to 1873 he edited a column in Bell's Life, ... "> I will nobody blame to trust the OCC. "BOOK OF THE YEAR? BOOK OF THE DECADE!" is the title of E.Winter's detailed assessment of the first edition (capitals as in BCM 1985, p. 9-10 (for the slightly shortened version)), and it is worth reading after all these years. My intention is to change and improve the biography in a next step, and to avoid any re-introduction of mistakes in the future. Hence I will here explain what's wrong with the old version, and btw everyone can see that even renowned authors cannot avoid mistakes, if they don't consult the sources. John Henry Huttmann (born around 1805, died 1868) opened a coffee house around 1830 or 1831 in 30, Bedford Street, Covent Garden, where chess has being played only occasionally. It is said(!) that Walker suggested to Huttmann to establish a chess club in the first floor. Huttmann founded the (first) Westminster Chess Club in 1832 or 1833 (more likely). In 1833, the club moved to larger rooms at 20, Bedford Street. The club was a gentlemen's club, with a dining room, a cigar room, a billiard room, and a chess room, of course. Until July 1834, Huttmann had a business partner, Henry Moore, but the exact relation is unclear. George Walker held the position of the secretary of the club until October 1835 (the begin is unclear to me). At this time Huttmann reorganised on a smaller level, but the club was closed only a little while thereafter. In later years Huttmann founded a second and a third Westminster Chess Club in other rooms and with different secretaries. The third Westminster Chess Club was dissolved in December 1839, and at the end of that month, Walker founded the St.George's Chess Club. |
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Oct-13-13 | | SBC: I'd recently written an article called, The Ups and Downs of John Henry Huttmann - http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/t... - that may (or may not) be of interest. You can also read HJR Murray's article on Walker here --> http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/g... |
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Oct-13-13 | | thomastonk: <SBC> Thank you very much for the links. The "Ups and Downs .. " is new to me, and I will study it in detail later. At first sight, I am happy to see this small snippet from the "London Gazette", May 4, 1833, which supports my <1833 (more likely)> assumption. I have other sources of the 1830s that say 1833, but one of Huttmann's advertisements from September 1834 states that the club has been "established about two years ago", and hence I didn't discard 1832 so far. But currently I focus on Walker's biography here ... |
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Oct-13-13 | | SBC: Murray gave 1831 as the year Walker got with Huttmann to form a chess circle in his establishment. I think Murray got that from Walker's own writings, but Walker could be a little fuzzy and inconsistent in his reminiscences. |
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Oct-13-13 | | thomastonk: <SBC> I decided to finish my day with your "Ups and Downs ..", and then these sources from the 1870s gave me some ups and downs. This is by no means your fault, of course! The ups were the moments when I thought I found something new, and the downs were the moments, when I detected that the source is not credible or not as credible as I wanted it to be. <SBC: Murray gave 1831 as the year Walker ... > Yesterday, cg-user jnpope published on his wonderful site chessarch.com Walker's columns in "Bell's life" of 1839. I knew some issues before, among them http://www.chessarch.com/excavation.... The quality of my copies is the same. At the end of "ITEM 1:" there is a paragraph on the WCC. In the fourth line I decode the following: "It begun in 1833 in an obscure room in Bedford street, launched forth in magnificance under the protection of Mr. Hutman (sic), who carried it ..." Do you agree? This page is Walker's, and maybe a better way to exchange further information on Huttmann and the WCC is via email (-> my profile). |
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Oct-13-13 | | SBC: <thomastonk>, while I have nothing against email correspondence, Geo. Walker is most interesting for his historical place in chess rather than for his talent or theoretical innovations, and, as such, people reading this page likely have at least a passing interest in 19th century English chess and might find discussions, even peripheral ones, worthwhile to read and quite possibly have some valuable input - so, if amenable, I'd rather keep things public. My original interest in Huttmann was simply an outgrowth of my interest in the Westminster Club, which is itself an outgrowth of my interest in the early development of chess in England. One of my purposes in 'Ups and Downs' was to show the disparity in sources that presented the Westminster Club's origin. Walker, who probably knows better than anyone (though at times could be both vague and contradictory), as well as the Feb. 1835 ad, tell us the Westminster Club began in 1833. Murray, who was oh-so meticulous, gave 1831. Huttmann, probably opened his doors in 1830-31 and, I suspect that between 1831-33 chess was being played there and the club was a gradual thing rather than a sudden and definitive thing. My guess is that the chess players somehow coalesced around M'Donnell and more or less solidified around 1833, just in time, it seems, for the corr. challenge by the Cercle des Panoramas. I haven't been able to find any official-type documents or even references to such things (like guidelines, laws, dues, member lists) that might make it a "club." This makes me think it possibly wasn't so structured in the beginning and it's origin could be more conjecture or individual perspective rather than some definitive point in time. |
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Oct-13-13
 | | tamar: <I'd like to see it too <thomastonk>, even though I agree with you that it is confusing. Few kibitzes have much value, but I think
this type has the most, so I always read about the early history people dig up. |
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Oct-14-13 | | thomastonk: <SBC: I'd rather keep things public.> No problem. But I've posted my reply in my forum, because this here is Walker's page, who does not appear therein. |
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Mar-13-16 | | TheFocus: Happy birthday, George Walker. |
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Mar-25-16 | | zanzibar: In a letter to Sam Loyd, quoted in <Sci Am Suppl 1878.07.13>: <...
I must tell you that I am a great admirer of your problems, considering you and Mr. Cook the two best American composers. I am dead set against the German style - beastly ugly - and no merit beyond their extreme difficulty; no satisfaction when solved. I am about the "dozen" of chess writers in Europe, Lewis having published nothing for so many years. My chess books have long been out of print, and I have no time to republish. I still write article's in Bell's Life, as it amuses me, and I have done it from the first. I am, dear Sir,
Faithfully yours,
GEORGE WALKER
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(I really hate <CG> auto-reformatting) |
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Jun-09-16 | | The Kings Domain: "Chess & Chess-Players" is a page-turner. Walker was one of the best writers of the game and major publishers should reprint his works as they deserve to be better known. If only authors of the game at present would write with the same passion and narrative flair like Walker did the literature of the game at present would be richer and more enduring. |
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Mar-13-17 | | The Kings Domain: One of the best Chess authors. |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Stonehenge: William Greenwood Walker founded Westminster Chess Club, right? |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Telemus: <Stonehenge: William Greenwood Walker founded Westminster Chess Club, right?> There were several WCCs. One was founded around 1832/33 in 20, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, and it was led by John Henry Huttman, famous for his leaflets. Here the matches between La Bourdonnais and McDonnell were played. It was closed at the end of 1835 or early in 1836. In 1837, another WCC was located in the Cigar Divan, nos. 1 & 2 Fountain Court, and 101, Strand. Here <William Greenwood Walker> was Hon. Secretary. This club expired around September 1837. In November 1837 a new club with the same name was founded in Spring Gardens, where Staunton was club secretary. The situation remained instable for a few more years ... |
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Nov-24-20
 | | moronovich: No more Bush ? ;) |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Stonehenge: <Telemus>
Thanks, unfortunately Walker is such a common name. |
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Jan-03-21
 | | MissScarlett: < One was founded around 1832/33 in 20, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, and it was led by John Henry Huttman, famous for his leaflets. Here the matches between La Bourdonnais and McDonnell were played. It was closed at the end of 1835 or early in 1836. In 1837, another WCC was located in the Cigar Divan, nos. 1 & 2 Fountain Court, and 101, Strand. Here <William Greenwood Walker> was Hon. Secretary. This club expired around September 1837.> Townsend has a short chapter on the <Westminster CC> in his <Notes on the Life of Howard Staunton>. He treats the move from Bedford St. to the Strand as a relocation of the existing club, and not as a refounding. I suppose it might depend on how long the club was out of action. Can you document something like a formal closure of the club in late 1835 / early 1836? One argument in Townsend's favour is the claim that <W. G. Walker> was club secretary during its time in Bedford St. He was clearly an important member there, because it was he who recorded the games of McDonnell - Bourdonnais match in 1834. |
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Jan-04-21
 | | Telemus: <He[Townsend] treats the move from Bedford St. to the Strand as a relocation of the existing club, and not as a refounding.> The main difference, as I understand it, is that the closed club was Huttman's unhealthy business, while he was not involved in the new one. The expert in this field is probably Henri Serruys. |
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Jan-04-21
 | | MissScarlett: The <Morning Chronicle> of June 21st 1836, p.4, carries a letter from <W. G. Walker, Honorary Secretary, Westminster Chess Club, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, June 18, 1836.>, reporting a challenge by Deschapelles to play a match at the odds of pawn and two with any British player. <Bell's Life> of November 27th 1836, p.2, in its answers to correspondents section, has: <We are not informed positively as to the regulations which are intended to be enforced at the Westminster Chess Club as to the admission of visitors; and our Correspondent had better apply to the Club's indefatigable Secretary, at the rooms where the meetings are held, No. 101, Strand.> Whilst Walker's letter of June doesn't prove the club was still active in Bedford Street - it may have been in a state of abeyance - I think it does support a strong degree of continuity between the two addresses. |
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Jan-05-21
 | | Telemus: Reading again in https://www.kwabc.org/en/chess-stal..., I found in an article by Serruys: <Chess is being played only occasionally, and it is George Walker who suggests to Huttmann to establish a chess club on the premises, „in the first floor rooms". Huttmann agrees, probably around 1832 [..], and <George Walker> can be
considered to be the Westminster Chess Club's first secretary.> and
<It follows from the newspaper clippings shown by Tony Gillam in CSQ6, that <Huttmann> has to be considered the de facto manager of the Westminster Chess Club between September 1834 and February 1835.> and
<It is safe to assume that in late 1835 or early 1836 Huttmann's coffee house was closed down, and with it the first Westminster Chess Club.> and
<A second Westminster Chess Club arises from the ashes of its predecessor, and <William Greenwood Walker>, a bachelor and „indigo broker" becomes its secretary.> Etc. etc. |
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Jan-05-21
 | | MissScarlett: <It is safe to assume that in late 1835 or early 1836 Huttmann's coffee house was closed down, and with it the first Westminster Chess Club.> On what basis? |
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Jan-05-21
 | | MissScarlett: <My intention is to change and improve the biography in a next step, and to avoid any re-introduction of mistakes in the future. Hence I will here explain what's wrong with the old version, and btw everyone can see that even renowned authors cannot avoid mistakes, if they don't consult the sources.> Strange that <thomastonk> did not get around to mentioning that Walker never edited a chess column in the <Lancet>. This error too was propagated by the first edition of the <Oxford Companion to Chess>, as discussed in Harding's <British Chess Literature to 1914>. He surmises that the mistake can be traced back to Walker's own obituary in the <ILN> in 1879, where Duffy claimed, <In the same year, he originated the popular "Chess column" of our time by contributing an article to the <Lancet>, which was published in the issue of that periodical on Oct. 19, 1823.> Harding argues Hooper & Whyld would have recognised something was amiss if they'd double-checked the issue in question, which turns out to be a translation of a French article that dates back to 1719. Significantly, there's no record of Walker ever claiming any involvement with the <Lancet>. But if not he, then whom? Harding says there's no reason to look beyond <Thomas Wakley>, the journal's founding editor, who's known to have been interested in the game. |
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Jan-22-21
 | | Telemus: <On what basis?> I am unsure. But it's based on what Serruys found out about Huttmann's business. A close pointer goes to: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London... Huttmann can be found more often in the London Gazette. |
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Apr-23-22 | | Gallicrow: Does anyone have any information about George Walker's personal life? Just by matching records on the Family Search website, I think he married twice, the second time at the age of 66 to a woman aged ~29. Although Walker only had one child, who predeceased him, she herself had six children and so there might be a lot descendants living today. Here is a link to what I patched together on Family Search. If anyone can confirm or correct anything I'd be grateful:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/p...
(you need a free account to use Family Search). |
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Apr-23-22
 | | MissScarlett: <second time at the age of 66 to a woman aged ~29.> Could've been worse - him, 46, her, 9.
What address, if any, do you have for the 1851 census? Is the <Ladbroke Villas> of 1861 the same dwelling as the <40 Ladbroke Road> of the 1869 marriage register? |
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