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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: the gambit blog in new york times has the following headline: <For Some Top Players, Invitations to Elite Tournaments Are Scarce>, see http://gambit.blogs.nytimes.com/200... i've posted a lengthy comment, but since it is "us-critical" it might be censored?!? :o) if it doesn't go through, i'll post it here instead. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | scholes: <frogbert> How many elo Carlsen has gained within a period of 12 months , i believe more than 100. Is it ? |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: Yes, I read the blog, and it echoes some of the arguments used here at cg. I trust you to get it right :) Btw, <<Moro is closer to the trio behind him than to the top duo.>in terms of playing strength i agree, rogge, but the above was mainly a pure description of the numbers. :o)> I think Moro is closer to the trio both in terms of live rating and playing strength, but OK, that's just hairsplitting :) |
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| Mar-02-08 | | zurich07: Tnx for a superb job with the live list! Unparalled effort here in cg! Althoug I disagree with 99 % of slo`s comments, I find it a bit under the belt to delete his posts. That said, keep up the good work! |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: <scholes: <frogbert> How many elo Carlsen has gained within a period of 12 months , i believe more than 100. Is it ?> If you mean any given 12 months period, I think you're right. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | jonnymalk: <Was slomarko's post about Karjakin really deleted?> It was basically a cut-and-paste job. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: From the Nigel Short page:
<Feb-15-08 slomarko: who deleted my post?
Feb-19-08
Premium Chessgames Member Nigel Short: <slomarko> Was it worthy of sharing with us?> It has happened before. You might wanna ask yourself why it happens :) |
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| Mar-02-08 | | Jim Bartle: Jimmy Connors did something similar, asking for suggestions for a DVD of his greatest matches. I suggested vs. Ashe Wimbledon 75, vs. Orantes US Open 75, and vs. McEnroe Wimbledon 84. For some reason he got upset. |
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 | | Open Defence: <i answered some of his games from the match with Kamsky> maybe you should have been specific that you meant Gata Kamsky.. unless of course you meant <Rustam> |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: Your comment has reached the NY Times, <frogbert>! |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <I find it a bit under the belt to delete his posts.> i didn't remove any content, really. he quoted in full the original blog post, and he added nothing (literally - he just quoted the post, with no addition). i saw no point in having the blog item verbatim here, so i replaced it with a link. nothing under the belt with that. i might even delete his later posts, if he tries to pretend that he added something himself. it was a pure cut and paste job. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: i deleted two more slomarko-posts - the question why "his" post was deleted, and the absurd claim that it was not a cut and paste job. pure dishonesty will be edited out of this page, and if slomarko keeps that up and doesn't admit that his post was nothing but a verbatim copy of the gambit blog item, he'll be censored out of this page for an indefinite period of time. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <Actually I wrote a reply to it: I wholeheartedly agree with slomarko.> puzzlion, what did you reply to? the gambit blog item? and where did you reply - in the new york gambit blog? slomarko has not written any post about karjakin as far as i know - he copied the blog item here, and that blog item was deleted by me. i've deleted nothing but the 3 slomarko posts that i've explicitly mentioned above. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <If you mean any given 12 months period, I think you're right.> rogge, of course carlsen has gained much more than 100 points during some 12 month period. many young players have gained around 250 points in a year in some early period, before they reached 2500. the most impressive part about carlsen, is that he's gained about 150 points in 12 months, starting from a rating of 2528! july 2005 to july 2006 he went from 2528 to 2675, that is +147 points in 12 months, arriving at high 2600s, at the age of 14,5 to 15,5. that is simply unparallelled. :o) |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: Frogbert, I obviously meant during the last few years. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <this is a simple and blatant lie.> slomarko, get a hang of yourself. i already regret deleting the one-liner where you replied to this: <It was basically a cut-and-paste job.> did you confirm that all you did was copy the blog item? no. you instead said someting making things fuzzy about whether you added something to it or not. <it happens all the time that people just post part on article on CG without anything else. what was wrong with that i don't know> first, reproducing material in full is basically not legal, something it appears that too few are able to grasp. but that wasn't the reason i removed the verbatim copy. i'd already read and answered the blog item before you copied it here, and the proper place for debate about it was in the gambit blog. instead of a meaningless (and potentially illegal verbatim copy), i gave the link to the original post. why you need to be a drama queen and scream out about a pointless post that has been replaced with <the exact same contents> in the form of a link - that's the really interesting question. <seems that <frogbert> was just very nervous by what was written in that article and felt the need to censor and resort to threats.> argh. that is just so dumb, slomarko - what is it that you don't get about a correct link to the original article? keep this nonsense up, slomarko, and you are out of here. you know that i had no intention to be talking to you due to your childish act on the carlsen page. if you start posting things here, trying to get a "conversation" going, when you know that i don't want to talk to you for the time being, then you're asking for trouble. i'm not going to spend time arguing with you. i've got much better things to do. get your act together, now, or i'll need to keep this page clean of nonsense in the most cost-effective way. you started this, now stop it. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <I obviously meant during the last few years.> rogge, okie :o) i didn't think it was obvious what anyone meant, so i just went for the full story. :o) |
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| Mar-02-08 | | malthrope: Good post <frogbert> - well informed, to the point and concise! :) 'For Some Top Players, Invitations to Elite Tournaments Are Scarce' - The NY Times Chess Blog - McClain Reply #13 - March 2nd, 2008
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| Mar-02-08 | | WillC21: <frogbert> I saw some of your postings on Nakamura. As an American, I am somewhat biased, so I won't try to debate his merits or potential with you. But I have a question: are you aware of and can you provide anything that begins to resemble proof that Nakamura was invited to Corus B? I ask this because I have seen a couple kibitzers on this site and chessninja mention that he was invited, or that they "think" he was. I am just wondering if someone that appears as "clued-in" as yourself has some evidence of this? |
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| Mar-02-08 | | Rolfo: <slo><if Fincher and other hype Carlsen its okay but if i do i'm childish????> Don't think frogbert will answer you for the time being. Well, childish, may be .. You went from being almost "evilminded" against a 15 yeo rising star a couple of years ago, to be "objective" in a certain phase and then ending up "hyping" which turned out to be sarcastic.. May be a bit too much even if most of us thought it was funny to some extent.. Frogbert has build up an exciting scheme for live rating and other valuable statistical data which he uses partly for informational purposes and partly for argumental purposes when needed. Anyone can see how valuable his work is. Frogbert has shown you great tolerance lately, he still has a right to set a limit. This invitational business seems to have obsessed you for some time, and thus you were sort of angry at Magnus for him having so many invitations.. Remember, any player has the possibility to make him / her attractive to organisers and sponsors. Just my thoughts, look forward slomarko |
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| Mar-02-08 | | rogge: WillC21, if I may:
the following is quoted from mig's place:
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... <This will be the last time I post on here for some time so I would like to clear up a few issues. Let me start by saying that I was indeed given the opportunity to play in Corus B. That being said, the financial offer, quite frankly, was insulting. When you consider the fact that I got a better offer when I played back in 2004, it says a lot! Secondly, I am at the age now, where when I play chess tournaments I don't solely play because my only purpose is to bash in people's egos ala CrazyMan Fischer. I go to play good chess and enjoy myself. When I go to a place like Gibraltar where the weather is nice, (Wijk aan Zee is rain and clouds every day)I find the whole atmosphere entirely more relaxing.> Posted by: Hikaru Nakamura at February 6, 2008 12:59 |
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| Mar-02-08 | | WillC21: <rogge> Thanks for that. I think it was a mistake for Nakamura to turn down such an invitation. But, he gives his reasons, I guess. If he is really interested in eventually playing with the elite, I don't think rejecting invites from the organizers of the elite tournaments is a wise idea. Heck, if (unprobable) he had won Corus B, that would have been his ticket to the big time. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | frogbert: <are you aware of and can you provide anything that begins to resemble proof that Nakamura was invited to Corus B> in addition to that quote from the dailydirt, hundreds of kibitzers have heard (read) smallville (nakamura's alter ego on icc) tell that he was invited, and why he declined (he wasn't satisified with the economical conditions). i was personally observing the kibitzing one of the times nakamura told about the invitation. :o) i hope you find this evidence good enough, because i can't provide anything better. as a general rule, i tend to check things quite thoroughly before i bring information forward. it's a good principle to live by. :o) |
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| Mar-02-08 | | WillC21: <slo> I think Carlsen is seen as more of a phenom than Karjakin, because while Ukraine (relatively) pumps out tons of talent, Norway does not. Also, Norway has now adopted Carlsen as a national hero, and so the media there (and in Western Europe) is latched on to him. These intangibles can go a long way, I think, in swaying whom an elite tournament organizer picks and whom an elite tournament organizer doesn't pick, whether rightly or wrongly... |
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| Mar-02-08 | | WillC21: <frogbert> I know you are quite thorough; that's why I came to your page to begin with ;o) I am not a member of ICC, so I was not aware of these conversations, but thanks for letting me know about them. But, alas, now I see he really was invited. As I said above, I think this rejection of the Corus B invitation was in fact something of a professional "blunder" if I may call it that! |
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