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| Aug-02-06 | | monad: I can't help wondering if maybe she had taken a sleeping tablet in order to be fresh for the next day's games. I was woken up once in hospital, in order that I could take a sleeping tablet (Typical: Not only was I asleep already, but I always sleep like a log). It affected me in a strange manner: I tried to get out by climbing out of the window. Not something I am in the habit of doing I might add.
Ground floor, so no harm was done. I just mention it here, so as to make people aware of the possible effect of quite ordinary drugs. Can't get the look of sadness on her face out of my mind. And then to think that we have also lost an undoubtedly talented future doctor or specialist. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | NimzoKing: arifattar: the mail article mentions Amisha Parmar as the highest ranked British player in her age category. Any more information on her? May be Mr. Keene would know. I have played Amisha Palmer a few times before and noticed several things about her game. She is a very talented player; superb tactically and will win many games through tactics and combinations. But if she wants to progress and become a much stronger player she will have to work on her positional game. Maybe she should read some Silman books or study players like Khalifman or Karpov. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | Aces Full Of Jacks: I agree with Octavia. Jessie and other players would benefit from longer periods of less intensive chess coaching rather then a week spent with a GM.
As for womens chess. I thoroughly dislike the concept. Girls and women should play in mixed events only.But females are pressurised into womens chess despite the fact that the best way to achieve equality is to play the male players.
To be truthful I think that the reports of Jessie's abilities were exagerated. One only has to recall Judit Polgar at a similar age.
The chess world is a strange place and many unsavoury incidences do get covered up.
I'm not implying that the chess world is responsible for Jessie's death but there are many unpublicised secrets in chess that are carefully swept beneath the carpet especially in the UK. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | apawnandafool: <monad, timothy> she wasn't sleepwalking. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | Mendeleev: I played Jessie and met her at tournaments. She was always very polite and her behaviour was exemplary. She was a tough opponent. I think criticisms of her lack of progress are a bit unfair. She obviously concentrated on schoolwork - you don't get to Oxford by collecting cereal packets.
The World "Amateur" was a 9 (I think) round Swiss for players without FIDE ratings. Jessie was top scoring female player in the event, so got the title, for what it was worth. Newspapers like to hype such things. The bottom line is that a thoroughly decent 19-year-old is dead, and that is tragic. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | Aces Full Of Jacks: To refer to mendeleev all chess players go through the education system . None as far as I'm aware are exempt (certainly not in the UK)Quite a few Grand Masters have even been to university so it can be done. Personally from what I have heard of Jessie she was a little too well behaved. Teenagers are usually rebellious and busy having fun. Did Jessie get to do this?
People were aware of her sleep walking so I'm surprised she would sleep in a room with an open unlocked window. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | apawnandafool: i won't write my personal opinion regarding her medical condition, her oxford status, or the allegations against her father...('cause and effect' type of questions which i believe need answering before we can understand the 'bottom line'). i will write, however, that she seemed to be having a rebelliously fun-time - dipping into the hotel mini-bar during an event...but that she had no time to sleepwalk in the period after amisha left her alone, and before amisha returned from the wc. |
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Aug-03-06
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It sounds to me like you are:
a.) trying to pick a fight; or b.) taking my words out of context. (At the very least.) Jessie was no Garry Kasparov ... and even you would find it hard to argue with that. She obviously had talent. How much and how far would it have taken her? I am afraid those are questions we will never know the answer to. |
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| Aug-03-06 | | ChessVip: Nigel Short´s thoughts about Jessie
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/chess/s... |
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| Aug-04-06 | | Aces Full Of Jacks: Nigel has written a good piece here. I like the way he emphasises a decent game of Jessie's rather then talking about her achievements as a "female" chess player |
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| Aug-04-06 | | midknightblue: <Timothy> let me clarify what I was saying, I am not sure you understood what I meant. You cannot set about complex tasks such as planning how you wish to harm yourself - while sleepwalking. Surely you are aware that when you hit your wife during a night terror, it was unintentional. Likewise, noone can "try to hurt herself while sleepwalking." However,, a person can hurt themselves unintentionally (as I mentioned, falls are not uncommon). As far as your trip to the market, it is far more likely that your memory of the events was poor, but this is by no means a prolonged episode of sleep walking. As we speak, I am trying to remember my drive into work today and I am not sure if I remember anything after turning the key to start the car ;) |
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| Aug-04-06 | | Marmot PFL: Her dad sounds like the typical priveleged elitist who thinks his wealth/power will shield him from the consequenses of his actions. Now its come home to roost, tragically. |
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| Aug-04-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: <midknightblue> right its done unintentionaly,what I experienced was a blackout from a bad drug interreaction,and if Jessie was taking prescription medicine and had some drinks even a small amount it could have been an accident,not a suicide.Why in the world would she commit suicide during a chess tournament? it doesn't make sense. |
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| Aug-05-06 | | Tomlinsky: 'Why in the world would she commit suicide during a chess tournament? it doesn't make sense.' Sorry to point out the obvious but 'if' somone had such low self worth as to be considering suicide the fact that they were part way through a chess tournament would be the last thing going through their mind. When that point of no return comes, and in this case 'if' it did, it will happen when and where that mental state happens. It could even be tied up with the pressure of something they are involved in that tips the balance for that matter. Regards |
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| Aug-05-06 | | Tomlinsky: 'As we speak, I am trying to remember my drive into work today and I am not sure if I remember anything after turning the key to start the car' Don't you remember the part where you drove past McDonalds(TM Other junk food outlets are available) hit the accelerator in a way Michael Schumaker would have been proud of and said to yourself "Praise the lord, we get up of our backsides and make proper breakfasts in our house!!!"? |
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| Aug-05-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: I know the difference between short term memory loss and a bad drug interaction,and she could have been in a blackout state from mixing perscription drugs and alcohol.It could have been a accident.The media should report the facts,not subjective ideas of suicide,unless there's proof,most people write a final note to tell the world why they're making such a choice.She really enjoyed chess and tournament play ,so it makes no sense to me dying while the tournament is still going. |
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| Aug-05-06 | | Cecil Brown: Alcohol apparently encourages sleepwalking according to an old BBC story:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland... |
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| Aug-05-06 | | euripides: I can vouch from personal experience that young people who have drunk too much on overseas school trips can fall out of windows. Whatever happened, it doesn't sound like a considered decision. |
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| Aug-05-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: <Cecil Brown> Thank you for that link,very appropriate, the guy almost jumped off a eight story balcony at a hotel!!My wife says I sleepwalk to the kitchen all the time too.<euripides>Thanks for your input also. |
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| Aug-05-06 | | ChessVip: "Chess dad 'rapist' photo"
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,... |
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Aug-05-06
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| Aug-06-06 | | Aces Full Of Jacks: "Her dad sounds like the typical priveleged elitist"
The guy's social status has nothing to do with it. Alleged rapists come from all social backgrounds including left wing types. A person isn't found guilty before a court case because they have money. Class envy is unattractive. |
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| Aug-08-06 | | ChessVip: Speelman on chess talk about Jessie:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/chess/s... |
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| Aug-08-06 | | jamesmaskell: Interesting that there arent any Sicilians in the lists of the five openings as white and black. Caro Kann as first choice...nice! |
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| Aug-09-06 | | ahmadov: I am just in shock!!! How can a father rape his daughter??? Is the West not losing the most important human values, while they speak about backwardness in the East??? |
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