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Nov-23-13 | | john barleycorn: <Sneaky: Maybe you are a professional clown on the way to work?> Only at work - not on the way to it. :-)
I just do my shaving and breakfast in the car. No time for scientific experiments. |
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Nov-23-13 | | johnlspouge: < <Sneaky> wrote: [snip] What does the helium balloon do? Go toward the front of the car, go toward the back of the car, or stay in roughly the same place? > This is one of my favorite problems. It is hard to get the wrong answer if you use Einstein's Principle of Equivalence, providing a beautiful example of how intellectual depth can make the solution to a difficult problem obvious. I hope that I have not ruined the problem for anyone :) |
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Nov-23-13 | | kellmano: Very nice puzzle. Here is a short youtube clip about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXpU...
A couple of the explanations below explain it succinctly. Is it just me, or does the new youtube comment system not allow you to see what posts are a response to? Seems like an extremely fundamental flaw. |
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Nov-24-13
 | | Sneaky: I like the YouTube comment "This video is fake, right? The balloon does exactly the opposite of what it should." The only thing you need to understand what's going on is to remember at the invisible air is definitely experiencing the forces as one would expect. Slamming the brakes makes the air rush to the front of the cabin. Accelerating makes it rush to the back. And so forth. So whatever the air does, the light balloon gets shoved aside to make room for it. |
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Nov-24-13
 | | al wazir: <Sneaky: What does the helium balloon do?> It depends. If the car is filled with hydrogen, the balloon moves forward. You ask, why would a car be filled with hydrogen? I reply, why would you drive around with a helium balloon floating in the car? |
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Nov-24-13
 | | Sneaky: If the car was filled with hydrogen the balloon wouldn't be floating! |
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Nov-25-13 | | john barleycorn: The car would be floating instead. with the driver dead. |
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Dec-09-13 | | johnlspouge: The Principle of Equivalence states that locally, it is impossible to tell the difference between an acceleration in one direction and a gravitational source in the opposite direction. So, accelerating a car FORWARD is like having a gravitational source BEHIND the car, and the helium balloon floats away from the source, FORWARD. When you turn LEFT, the acceleration is to the LEFT, like having a gravitational source toward the RIGHT, and the balloon floats away from the source, LEFT. |
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Dec-09-13 | | johnlspouge: Note that the use of the Principle of Equivalence is entirely empirical: atomic theory is unnecessary. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | al wazir: (Inspired by clue #54 in the current holiday puzzle contest and the two posts preceding this one.) A 3x3 magic square is a square array of nine numbers arranged so that they add up to the same total horizontally, vertically, and diagonally. For example, the rows, columns, and diagonals of 6 1 8
7 5 3
2 9 4
all add up to 15. Of course an array obtained by rotating this one, e.g., 2 7 6
9 5 1
4 3 8
or by inverting it, e.g.,
8 1 6
3 5 7
4 9 2
or by a sequence of rotations and inversions is equivalent to the original one. Adding the same number to all nine entries (an "additive transformation") yields another equivalent magic square. For example, adding -5 to all nine entries changes it to 1 -4 3
2 0 -2
-3 4 -1
where now all the sums equal 0. Likewise, multiplying all nine entries in a magic square by the same number (a "multiplicative transformation") yields another equivalent magic square. For example, multiplying all nine entries of the original square by 2 changes it to 12 2 16
14 10 6
4 18 8
where now all the sums equal 30.
Here's the puzzle: Is the first square equivalent to the one in clue #54 of the contest, 17 89 71
113 59 5
47 29 101
where the sums all equal 177? That is, find a sequence of rotations, inversions, additive, and multiplicative transformations that change the first magic square to the last one, or show that it's impossible. |
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Dec-23-13 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <al wazir> Easy one. Sort all numbers in the squares. Consider the effects of the transformation on that sequence. Rotation, inversion ("mirroring" would be a better word), addition, and multiplication by positive numbers do not change the ordering in the sequence. Multiplication by negative numbers reverses the sequence. This implies that if the transformation was posible, you'd map original numbers to final numbers either thus, after even number of multiplications by negative numbers: 1 -> 5
...
9 -> 113
or thus, after odd number of negative multiplications: 1 -> 113
...
9 -> 5
Additive and multiplicative transformations apply identical linear transformation to all numbers, and their aggregate effect can be always simplified to one multiplication (by x) and one addition (of y). If the squares can be transformed, then either this system of equations: 1x + y = 5
2x + y = 17
3x + y = 29
4x + y = 47
5x + y = 59
6x + y = 71
7x + y = 89
8x + y = 101
9x + y = 113
or this one:
1x + y = 113
2x + y = 101
3x + y = 89
4x + y = 71
5x + y = 59
6x + y = 47
7x + y = 29
8x + y = 17
9x + y = 5
would have to have a solution. But it is easily shown that they are inconsistent, therefore the transformation is impossible, Q.E.D. Note that adding two magic squares together element-wise also produces a magic square; let's call this an "aggregation" of squares. Now the question is: in the (infinite) set of all magic squares that can be produced from the original one, does there exist a pair (or more) of squares that can be aggregated into the last one? |
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Dec-23-13
 | | al wazir: <MostlyAverageJoe>: Well, it is easy -- even easier than that. The numbers 1,2,...,9, are consecutive, so all the first differences are the same (1). The equivalence transformations either leave the 9 numbers unchanged or change them to new numbers that are again equidistant. But if you arrange the numbers in the final square in ascending order, viz., 5, 17, 29, 47, 59, 71, 89, 101, 113,
and take first differences, you get
12, 12, 18, 12, 12, 18, 12, 12.
QED.
So that raises a new question: Is there a magic square that contains only primes and *is* equivalent to that 1,2,...,9 square? That is, are there nine prime numbers that are separated by the same first difference? I don't know. |
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Dec-23-13 | | kevinatcausa: <al wazir>: Yes, such sequences exist. For example, 199, 409, 619, 829, 1039, 1249, 1459, 1669, 1879.
You can find arithmetic progressions of primes of arbitrary length, but the numbers involved get large. For a 4x4 square, the smallest example has 198,793,279 as one of the numbers in the square (according to the table at http://oeis.org/A005115 ) |
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Dec-23-13 | | johnlspouge: @<al wazir>: The answer to your question is "yes", as <kevinatcausa> already indicated. "Primes in arithmetic progression"
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primes... ] Another solution to your original problem is to set up a canonical form for each magic square, so that rotations and reflections achieve NW corner <= NE corner <= SW corner with NW corner <= SE corner (Secondary rules on other elements are required to break the ties.) One can then apply a linear transformation so that
NW corner = 1
NE corner = 2 (or some secondary rule if NW corner = NE corner). One then compares canonical forms of perfect squares to decide equivalence. The canonical form strategy yields an "if and only if" rule for equivalence and is a standard meat grinder for your type of problem. |
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Dec-23-13
 | | al wazir: <kevinatcausa> & <johnlspouge>: Thanks. I see I am not breaking new ground here. |
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Dec-24-13
 | | al wazir: <MostlyAverageJoe: Now the question is: in the (infinite) set of all magic squares that can be produced from the original one, does there exist a pair (or more) of squares that can be aggregated into the last one?> I have what seems to be an answer to your question.
First, some notation. I will write A ≡ B to indicate that the corresponding elements of the two 3x3 magic squares A and B (which I'll just call “squares” from now on) are identical and use I to denote the “unit square” 1 1 1
1 1 1
1 1 1.
I will use ++ and -- to indicate that one square is added to or subtracted from another element by element. If I add the same number c to each element of a square A, then the result can be written A' ≡ A ++ cI,
i.e., as an aggregation. Multiplying each element of a square A by 2 can also be regarded as an aggregation: A' ≡ 2A ≡ A ++ A.
Likewise for multiplying by 3, 4, or any other integer: A" ≡ 3A ≡ A ++ A ++ A, etc.
If a, b, and c are the numbers
in the center cells of A, B, and C, respectively, let A' ≡ A -- aI; B' ≡ A -- bI; C' ≡ C -- cI. Then if A ≡ B ++ C, it follows that A' ≡ B' ++ C'. Hence I can restrict consideration to squares having 0 in the center cell. Now let Z denote the original 1,2,...,9 square
6 1 8
7 5 3
2 9 4,
so Z' ≡ Z -- 5I ≡
1 -4 3
2 0 -2
-3 4 -1.
Let P denote the prime square
71 5 101
89 59 29
17 113 47
and P' ≡ P -- 59I ≡
12 -54 42
30 0 -30
-42 54 -12.
Evidently P' -- 6Z' ≡ 6Q, where Q denotes
1 -5 4
3 0 -3
-4 5 -1.
Q can also be written as Z' -- Y, where Y denotes the rather trivial magic square 0 1 -1
-1 0 1
1 -1 0.
But Y can also be expressed in terms of squares that are equivalent to Z. Let Z§ denote Z' rotated 90 degrees in the clockwise direction, i.e., -3 2 1
4 0 -4
-1 -2 3
and let Z> denote Z' reflected (mirrored, inverted) about a vertical axis, i.e., 3 -4 1
-2 0 2
-1 4 -3.
Then -2Y ≡ Z§ ++ Z>.
Putting them all together, we have P' ≡ 6Z' ++ 6Q ≡ 12 Z' -- 6Y ≡ 12Z' + 3Z§ ++ 3Z>, or P ≡ 12Z' ++ 3Z§ ++ 3Z> ++ 59I. |
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Dec-29-13 | | PinnedPiece: This comes from an episode of Columbo where he solves a murder committed by a member of a Mensa-type organization. The murderer tests Columbo's IQ with this problem. === Simple Math ===
You have a bunch of bags of nearly pure gold coins. How many bags is up to you. Choose a number. Each bag has a certain number of coins, which can vary from bag to bag. Choose a number, it's up to you. Now AFTER you have chosen both those numbers, let me present the problem: ONE and only one of the bags has coins that are fake---lead clad in gold. They are only about half the weight as gold coins. You need to determine which bag has the fake coins. BUT: Here is the kicker: All you have available for a scale is a penny weight machine (it will read up to 450kg/1000lbs), and only one penny. That's right, you need to figure out which bag has the false coins, with just one weighing/reading. HOW TO DO THAT?
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In the episode, Mrs Columbo is apparently the one who came up with the correct solution (according to the detective). Are you as smart as Mrs. Columbo?
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Dec-29-13 | | Bobby Spassky: Take one from bag one, two from bag two, etc.
Kate Mulgrew was Mrs. Columbo. |
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Dec-30-13
 | | Sneaky: <Each bag has a certain number of coins, which can vary from bag to bag. Choose a number, it's up to you.> I don't think that is the proper statement of the puzzle. Expressed in that fashion I could say I have one million bags, each with one coin each. I'm quite sure you won't find the fake coin with one weighing. |
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Dec-30-13 | | ughaibu: What's wrong with "there is one bag containing one coin"? |
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Dec-30-13 | | kellmano: Limiting the weight capacity of the scales seems odd too. I have a googol of bags, containing a googolplex of coins. |
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Dec-30-13
 | | al wazir: <All you have available for a scale is a penny weight machine (it will read up to 450kg/1000lbs), and only one penny.> A gold coin might weigh as little as half an ounce, like the U.S. double eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_d...), so the difference between a solid gold coin and a counterfeit would be little more than a quarter ounce. A penny weight machine isn't nearly accurate enough to give a reliable result. |
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Dec-30-13 | | PinnedPiece: <Bobby Spassky: Take one from bag one, two from bag two, etc. Kate Mulgrew was Mrs. Columbo.>
You are my hero. Good going. Took the practical approach, gave it a shot of reality, made a working model of the problem, and got the correct answer! Or else remembered the show.
For all the people with problems about this problem, can you explain why <BS> is right? . |
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Dec-30-13 | | PinnedPiece: <aw: A penny weight machine isn't nearly accurate enough to give a reliable result.> "Let's just pretend it does!"
<Sneaky: <Each bag has a certain number of coins, which can vary from bag to bag. Choose a number, it's up to you.> I don't think that is the proper statement of the puzzle. Expressed in that fashion I could say I have one million bags, each with one coin each. I'm quite sure you won't find the fake coin with one weighing.> So when you present this problem to your friends, modify it as follows: "...your choice, from three to a dozen bags, and any number of coins, so long as each bag contains at least the number of coins as there are bags. And oh, the penny weight machine is deadly accurate---one of a kind!" . |
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Dec-30-13
 | | al wazir: A (distantly) related problem:
An Alien, a sinister creature from another world, has slipped inside the life support dome of the Moon Base. If not detected within 24 hours it will radio a message to its fellow extra-terrestrials in their space ship lurking out by the asteroid belt. But the Alien has assumed an appearance anatomically indistinguishable from humans; only a microscopic examination of its blood will give it away. The authorities have taken blood samples from each of the 1000 individuals occupying the base, but there is only one apparatus suitable for carrying out the appropriate tests, and each test requires two hours. Hurry! Collecting the samples has already taken four hours, and speed is of the utmost importance. How can the Alien be found and the humans saved? |
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