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Sep-20-17 | | Big Pawn: <JBC> is schooling <the charlatan> in a most humiliating way. Someone needs to tell <al-ways boring> that he can't fool the real mathematicians and engineers here with his sophistry. Bada BOOM, bada BING! |
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Sep-20-17
 | | FSR: <john barleycorn> Her. No, I don't think I had any idea what a lawyer was at the time. |
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Sep-20-17 | | johnlspouge: <FSR> wrote: <johnlspouge> I skipped third grade. (My first-grade teacher didn't like me.) > Maybe your first-grade teacher recognized that you already lacked social graces and had no need to skip grade two :) |
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Sep-20-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn>: So maybe you DO have a proof in mind after all! Mirabile dictu! But it's not complete yet. Your last case, a+b < 2c, a < c < b (the one you left for me to do), is the only one that isn't obvious. If I substitute a = 1, b = 4, and c = 3, which satisfy those two inequalities, in (a+b)[(a+b)^2 + 3 (a-b)^2] :: (2c)^3,
I get 5(5^2 +3·3^2) = 260 for the left member and 6^3 = 216 for the right one. The expression on the left has a greater numerical value than the one on the right. If I substitute a = 1, b = 8, and c = 7, which also satisfy both inequalities, I get 9(9^2 + 3·7^2) = 2052 for the left member and 14^3 = 2744 for the right. Now the expression on the right is numerically greater. (Of course it's obvious that neither triad of numbers satisfies the equation a^3 + b^3 = 2c^3. There are no solutions, as *I* have already proved.) But what this numerical example shows is that those inequalities are *not* inconsistent with the equation. In other words, if there *were* any integer solutions a, b, c (though we know that there aren't), they would satisfy those inequalities. So I'll have to ask you to complete the proof for me. I'm not up to it. Wouldn't it have saved both of us some time if you had explained it fully in the first place? |
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Sep-20-17 | | john barleycorn: <<al wazir: <john barleycorn>: So maybe you DO have a proof in mind after all! Mirabile dictu! But it's not complete yet. Your last case, a+b < 2c, a < c < b (the one you left for me to do), is the only one that isn't obvious. ...> > Yes, but it is junior high school stuff that you *mastered*. Remember your arrogant response to me? This is the return ticket. Do it or admit your incompetence. <If I substitute a = 1, b = 4, and c = 3, which satisfy those two inequalities, in(a+b)[(a+b)^2 + 3 (a-b)^2] :: (2c)^3,
I get 5(5^2 +3·3^2) = 260 for the left member and 6^3 = 216 for the right one. The expression on the left has a greater numerical value than the one on the right. If I substitute a = 1, b = 8, and c = 7, which also satisfy both inequalities, I get 9(9^2 + 3·7^2) = 2052 for the left member and 14^3 = 2744 for the right. Now the expression on the right is numerically greater.> Oh my, I claimed that equality does not hold. Your examples (like those *counterexamples* you gave before in another situation) show that you do not understand plain English or the problem. You always get lost in non-relevant and selfconstructed details losing sight of the problem and what was said. <So I'll have to ask you to complete the proof for me. I'm not up to it.> Hey, are you admitting that you are not able to do junior high calculations? Take your time. <Wouldn't it have saved both of us some time if you had explained it fully in the first place?> I did. Ok, when I gave the hint I assumed that most mathematically inclined people would see it. I was overestimating your abilities. After that we have your permanent and seemingly deliberate "misunderstandings" of basics. Sorry, you are a joke. I am not going to waste my time with you, any longer. |
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Sep-20-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn: I am not going to waste my time with you, any longer.> You've spent all that time proving how smart you are, and you're not going to finish the job? I guess the proposition you're trying to prove isn't true. |
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Sep-20-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir: ...
I guess the proposition you're trying to prove isn't true.> hahaha. up to you to figure it out, boy. |
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Sep-20-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn>: I meant the proposition about how smart you are. You haven't proved it. I posted a *complete proof* that there are no nontrivial integer solutions of a^3 + b^3 = 2c^3. You haven't. QED. |
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Sep-20-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir: <john barleycorn>: I meant the proposition about how smart you are. ...> Oh my, <princeton joker>. I never made that proposition. However, I proved what a hot air balloon you are. Anyway, we should put this into the "memorable quotes": <<al wazir: ...
You don't belong on this page. You're not smart enough.> And now *enough is enough*. Come back with a proof in the case a<c<b or get lost. |
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Sep-20-17
 | | FSR: <johnlspouge> That's entirely possible. |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: Another elementary proof that a^3 + b^3 =2*c^3 has no non-trivial solution in the positive integers. Let a ≠ b,
a^3 + b^3 = 2*c^3 <=> (is equivalent to) 4*a^3 + 4*b^3 = (2*c)^3 <=> (a+b)((a+b)^2 + 3*(a-b)^2) = (2*c)^3 <=> (a+b) =(2*c)*(p^2 + 3*q^2)
with p=2*c*(a+b)/((a+b)^2+3*(a-b)^2)
and q=2*c*(a-b)/((a+b)^2+3*(a-b)^2)
thus be have:
1.) a+b = 2*c*(p^2 + 3*q^2)
2.) (a+b)*p + 3*q*(a-b) = 2*c
3.) (a-b)*p = q*(a+b)
substituting 2.) in 1.) gives
(a+b)*(1-p*(p^2 + 3*q^2) =
(a-b)*(3*q*(p^2 + 3*q^2)
For p=1 and q=0 both sides are 0.
and 2.) gives a+b = 2*c
For all q ≠ 0 we have p≠ 0 because of 3.) and the assumptions about a and b. Thus a-b=(q/p)*(a+b)
Substituting this in 2.) gives with 1.)
(a+b)((p^2+3*q^2)/p) = 2*c*((p^2+3*q^2)^2)/p = 2*c or (p^2+3*q^2)^2 = p which is impossible. |
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Sep-22-17 | | ughaibu: All this assumes the consistency of number theory. |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <ughaibu: All this assumes the consistency of number theory.> Let's discuss that after <al wazir> has brought up his usual "you did not prove <(p^2+3*q^2)^2 = p which is impossible.>" hahaha |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir> since you did not come up with a proof in the case a<c<b for a+b<2c and keep trompeting that I don't have one here it is sweet, short and simple. a+b<2c and a+b=2*c*(p^2 + 3*q^2)
with
p=2*c*(a+b)/((a+b)^2+3*(a-b)^2) and
q=2*c*(a-b)/((a+b)^2+3*(a-b)^2)
implies
p^2+3*q^2<(1/2)
and thus a+b < c which excludes a<c<b. |
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Sep-22-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn: here it is sweet, short and simple.> Your "proofs" are still incomplete. As you've defined p and q, you haven't shown that they are integers. Also,
a+b<2c and a+b=2*c*(p^2 + 3*q^2) imply p^2+3*q^2<1, not p^2+3*q^2<1/2. (I'm sure that's what you meant.) But there is a contradiction only if p and q are integers. Finally, you may not have noticed that if we set 2u = a + b and 2v = a - b,
which I wrote as Eq. (3) in Louis Stumpers (kibitz #7988), then your equation (a+b)((a+b)^2+3(a-b)^2)=(2c)^3
becomes
u(u^2 + 3v^2) = c^3,
which was my Eq. (4).
In that post I went on to prove that there are no nontrivial integer solutions to a^3 + b^3 = 2c^3, *without* making the assumptions a + b < 2c or a < c < b. That proof comprehended all of your cases. |
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Sep-22-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn: 2 is a prime number and since it divides the right side it divides a and as well b.> That is the very same elementary blunder that I made, for which you rightly criticized me. If a and b are both odd, then a^3 + b^3 is even. There is no contradiction. |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir: <john barleycorn: here it is sweet, short and simple.> Your "proofs" are still incomplete. As you've defined p and q, you haven't shown that they are integers. ...> Another bunch of baloney? p and q can be rationals you genius. |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: yes, I erased the teaser post |
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Sep-22-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn>: I see you deleted that howler. Good move. You can hide but you can't run. |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <<<al wazir: ... Also,
a+b<2c and a+b=2*c*(p^2 + 3*q^2) imply p^2+3*q^2<1, not p^2+3*q^2<1/2. (I'm sure that's what you meant.) But there is a contradiction only if p and q are integers. ...>>> Shows how little you understand.
If p and q are integers p^2+3q^2 is an integer > 1 if q not 0. Which means a+b>2c which is impossible (case 1)since a+b is a positive integer and
a+b=2*c*(p^2 + 3*q^2) means 1/(p^2+3q^2) is an integer and divisor of 2*c. the smallest divisor is 2 thus
(p^2 + 3*q^2)<(1/2) |
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Sep-22-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn: Another bunch of baloney? p and q can be rationals you genius.> You need to take some time off.
Suppose p = 3/5 and q = 1/5. Then p^2 + 3q^2 = 12/25 < 1/2. Where is the contradiction? |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir: <john barleycorn: Another bunch of baloney? p and q can be rationals you genius.> You need to take some time off.
Suppose p = 3/5 and q = 1/5. ...>
I said p and q can be rationals.
I think you should follow your piece of advice and some take time off. |
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Sep-22-17
 | | al wazir: <john barleycorn: I said p and q can be rationals.> The ratio of two integers is rational, so 3/5 and 1/5 are rational. You really are spouting garbage. |
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Sep-22-17 | | Marmot PFL: <al wazir> reminds me of this old* German perfectionist math teacher I had once. Best I ever did on any of his tests was a B+. *probably mid-40s, which seemed old to me then |
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Sep-22-17 | | john barleycorn: <al wazir: <john barleycorn: I said p and q can be rationals.> The ratio of two integers is rational, so 3/5 and 1/5 are rational. You really are spouting garbage.>
<al wazir: ...
Your "proofs" are still incomplete. As you've defined p and q, you haven't shown that they are integers. ...> there is only one case they are integers p=1 and q=0 (by the integers form a subset of rationals, don't you know?) Anyway, the garbage come from you <Your "proofs" are still incomplete. As you've defined p and q, you haven't shown that they are integers> Now, take a nap and come back with a fresh mind. |
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