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| Mar-27-11 | | evlozare: come to think of it, hindsight looking, rjfischer was right after all in demanding all sorts of conditions as to the playing hall, audience access to his games, etc.. |
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| Mar-27-11 | | vanytchouck: Just one point :
No matter what Feller really did, he's really a young talent. I. Dorfman (his trainer) was always highly praising his talent. May be too ambitious, too eager to reach the top. At any cost ... |
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| Mar-27-11 | | BobCrisp: He's 4 from 5 with a TPR of 2647: http://www.chess-results.com/tnr459... Wouldn't suprise me if he ends up with an above par performance and gains some rating points. He must be highly motivated but I'm wondering what affect his presence is having on his opponents. Every time he goes for a pee or looks out to the spectators, it has to be playing on their minds - he wouldn't, would he? |
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| Mar-27-11 | | BobCrisp: Another win today takes him into a share of 2nd. |
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| Mar-28-11 | | polarmis: Here's Sergey Shipov on Feller, also wondering what it's like for his opponents: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2... |
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Mar-28-11
 | | tpstar: <I haven’t followed the details of the case closely> <Where’s the direct proof of cheating?> <does the court have the right to use private correspondence as proof?> <In general, it’s a murky affair> <for the first time a known player has been officially judged to have cheated> <After all he’s not an idiot, and in such a delicate situation he wouldn’t repeat his past deeds… if there were any> Yowza, what an incredibly uninformed piece by the usually reliable Shipov. Maybe once he familiarizes himself with the evidence, the timeline, and the confessions (plural), he will open his eyes. The only thing he got right was how his opponents will certainly view him as a cheater. Forever. In retrospect, it was only a matter of time before someone used texting to cheat at chess. I think next up are those MonRoi units and any PDAs at the board to enter notation right into the computer. It is simply too easy to hook up an engine. |
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Mar-28-11
 | | tamar: It is possible, though not probable, that Feller has a hacker's mentality, and was only trying to prove that it was possible to cheat. He would then not feel guilty about it, and would be motivated to show that he can do it on his own in a suspicious atmosphere. But he should just tell people what was going on. I trust Shipov, and he is obviously as confused as everybody else. http://www.chessintranslation.com/2... |
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| Mar-28-11 | | Kazzak: Hacker's mentality? To win table five, take the individual prize and push France to #3 in the world? Some hacker. |
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| Mar-28-11 | | BobCrisp: <Yowza, what an incredibly uninformed piece by the usually reliable Shipov.> What's the Russian for <a nod is as good as a wink>? |
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Mar-28-11
| | tamar: <Kazzak> 19 year olds have motivations that don't seem rational to older folks. Shipov uses the word murky to describe the affair, and I have to agree. If you look at his overall behavior-using tracable text messages, involving a trainer to move around the room in full view of everybody, and now apparently showing up at Euro Individual without help and achieving
a high score without help- the only common factor I see is he enjoys thumbing his nose at the world. |
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| Mar-28-11 | | Kazzak: French "valor" - you persist until blown off your horse by a cannon blast; doesn't make the charge against the position any less ludicrious, of course. Feller's only hope is to try to play the game, in all senses. |
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| Mar-30-11 | | splatty: <vanytchouck: Just one point : May be too ambitious, too eager to reach the top. At any cost ...> There's no point trying to justify it, a cheat is a dirty cheat no matter what the situation and most people wouldn't dream of cheating, it goes against the whole point of the game and anyone who cheats in a serious competition doesn't deserve the opportunity to play in competition again if it is clear and premeditated. |
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| Mar-30-11 | | fab4: Not read the thread. But how ingenius was it to have a chap sit at different tables each representing a square on the chessboard?! Ten out of ten for imagination... Just a shame Feller cannot infuse his chess over the board with the same ingenuity and imagination... |
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| Mar-30-11 | | Atking: I still don't understand the trick? GM Hauchard had to move around 64 tables to show the move. Looks to me an incredible exercice. This table c2? or c3? Oops I made a mistake. J'adoube... |
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| Mar-31-11 | | Maatalkko: http://www.europe-echecs.com/embed/... I have to call attention to this hilarious diagram. Especially the expression on the "Entraineur's" face. |
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| Mar-31-11 | | Maatalkko: <Atking> He didn't use 64 boards. He would first stop behind one board, to signify square, and then another, to signify number. IDK what Feller did when he had a choice of capturing on the same square with two pieces. Maybe there was a further code for which piece, or maybe Feller was on his own for those moves. In any case, he is a bold mofo to show up at Aix-Les-Bains like nothing happened. |
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| Mar-31-11 | | Atking: I'm not sure to understand completely but thanks <Maatalkko>. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | HSOL: Hmm, how come if the team captain participated in the cheating, that France haven't got disqualified from the Olympiad played and suspended for upcoming nation events? |
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| Apr-03-11 | | vanytchouck: <Atking>
An "example" (even if i don't know if this did happen for this move) :
France - England (Round 5)
MVL vs Adams
Fressinet vs Short
Tkachiev vs McShane
Feller vs Howell
Adams is A and 1;
Short is B and 2;
Mc Shane is C and 3;
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Feller is E and 5;
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MVL is H and 8.
For the move 19. Nb4-c2, Marzolo would have sent the sms 06 19 24 32 xx (xx are two random digits) to Hauchard. Hauchard would go to the table 2, behind Short (with surely a little sign) then to the table 4 (behind Howell), then to the table 3 (behind McShane), and finally to the table 2. Maybe it was easier there to only give c2.
Anyway, without backing the hypothesis of Feller's innocence, i'd like to point out that there is still some ambiguity about this. a) There is no single legal evidence of this (the sms are kept secret).
Only the huge number of sms is known. Around 200 by game. Exactly during the game. 0 before and 0 after ... b) The description of the system (nicknamed the "flight of the bumblebee" ) is "only" the testimony of the main accusator. c) There is no single evidence that S.Feller did receive the coded moves, and actually play them. d)there is also another theory of Feller checking his sms with his phone. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | Atking: <Vanytchouck> Thanks for a detailled explanation. I undertsand better. Still I keep my doubts.
I played myself in olympiads and I know the game itself needs an amount of concentration to care other things. Especially an agitated captain... If I understand correctly the explanation you gave, the move order (Of this captain!) is crucial. You miss it and instead c2 you have b3!? This affair is not clear to me.
Add the organisers arbiters and eventually players may have checked every move of S Feller in the recent Europeen Championship and got nothing. Still Feller finished 7 the best French result so far. So what?The game vs Howell is great but not impossible for a player performing to 2700. Indeed at Aix "without help" S Feller showed he plays well. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | fab4: Not read all the thread.. but I mean? .. she read the text message. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | rover: <Atking> There's still the little problem of 200 messages sent to the captain <during the games>. There were reports of Hauchard checking his phone often during the games. Maybe less conclusive, but I'd expect a more public and open defense from the captain if he was innocent. After all, the damage to his reputation is much more important than any possible legal repercussions. So I'm a little puzzled why wouldn't he allow the contents of the messages as evidence or even make them public, if they disproved the accusers theory. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | fab4: She did read the text message. |
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| Apr-04-11 | | BobCrisp: As predicted, Feller ended with what must surely be the best (legal) performance of his career: 7th place and a 2766 TPR. I now equally predict that his career will take a sudden swallow dive. |
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| Apr-08-11 | | polarmis: Vladimir Potkin, the European Champion, said he'd also have signed the open letter and talks about the cheating in Khanty-Mansiysk - I've also included a video where Zahar Efimenko (Ukraine) says there were rumours of cheating during the Olympiad, and he suspected Feller after their game: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2... |
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