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| Feb-26-12 | | Atking: <nummerzwei> Yes the talent is already here for most of GM and especially the top ones, but to progress in shogi I suspect you need two other factors <motivation> and a good <shogi coach> to keep alert this motivation. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | nummerzwei: <Atking: <nummerzwei> Yes the talent is already here for most of GM and especially the top ones, but to progress in shogi I suspect you need two other factors <motivation> and a good <shogi coach> to keep alert this motivation.> What you say is of course completely true. As a matter of fact I was considering to write <study> rather than <play> in my last sentence, clarifying this point, but for some reason decided against it.
The thing that I found surprising, and that I wanted to draw attention to, however, is the similarity between the sentiment expressed by Aronian (that he liked bughouse better than chess because there are more 'surprises', as he puts it ) and what was said by that shogi master quoted by <Zugzwangovich>.
Lastly, I'd like to ask you whether you yourself are a professional player of shogi. Reading your kibitzes one gets the impression that you have met and talked to quite a number of them. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <nummerzwei> No, I'm not a professional shogi player but I have met and talked to quite a number of them and played against them in simuls. I was among a handful of non-Japanese shogi aficionados who were being tutored by one of the leading lady professionals (Harue Tanikawa), and several times she had one of the male or female pros come in to give us a lecture and simul. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | nummerzwei: <Zugzwangovich>: Not that I was talking to you, but thanks anyway. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <nummerzwei> Sorry for misreading your post. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | Atking: <nummerzwei> No I'm just an amateur in Shogi (I like Chess too) however yes, I know quite well some professionals shogi players. |
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| Mar-02-12 | | Atking: Mr Habu is again challenger for the Meijin (A kind of "World championship of Shogi"). He got his qualification with a Fischer score 9-0! http://www.meijinsen.jp/game_list/m... The title older is also a very strong Chess player the Meijin Moriuchi. |
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| Mar-08-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <Atking> Since Habu is obviously in top form now, what do you think his chances are of sweeping Moriuchi 4-0 in the Meijin-sen? |
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| Mar-09-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <Atking: the Meijin (A kind of "World championship of Shogi")> A better comparison is that the Meijin is the most prestigious of the major titles in the world of shogi in the same way that the Masters is the most prestigious of the major titles in the world of golf. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | ughaibu: The Ryu-O can be considered to be a world championship. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <ughaibu: The Ryu-O can be considered to be a world championship.> Not really, it is just another of the major titles up for grabs in the shogi world. It is true that unlike the Meijin it is possible for any professional to win it in any given year, but it ranks second to the Meijin in terms of prestige. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | ughaibu: Amateurs and gaijin also qualify for the Ryu-O. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | Zugzwangovich: I would prefer "non-Japanese players" to "gaijin". |
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| Mar-09-12 | | ughaibu: Regardless, that would make it a world championship, wouldn't you say? |
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| Mar-09-12 | | Zugzwangovich: Yes, your point is well taken. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | ughaibu: Thanks. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | Atking: <A better comparison is that the Meijin is the most prestigious of the major titles in the world of shogi. > Yes that's correct. That's why I wrote "a kind of" as comparaison will be always difficult.
Morever we agree "the most prestigious title" (As sould be world champion in Chess) is a better definition. Shogi is still mainly play in Japan so to say "World champion" is obviously ambiguous (Even if a non Japanase player, for if one of best of them my friend Mr Paul Ogi, will have nearly no chance vs a Meijin.). |
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| Mar-09-12 | | ughaibu: Here's Habu beating an amateur meijin at kakuochi (bishop odds): http://wiki.optus.nu/shogi/index.ph... This handicap seems about right, though "nearly no chance" sounds accurate for hirate (no handicap). |
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| Mar-11-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <ughaibu> The more I think of it, the more I like your point that the Ryu-O can be considered a world championship. The mere fact that any player from any country could (in theory at least) win the title makes it more of a world championship than, say, the World Series, Super Bowl, and NBA Finals, which American sportswriters routinely refer to as the "World Championships" of professional baseball, football, and basketball. I'm guessing you may be British, so you may have heard the joke that was going around at the height of the Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky affair, which goes, "Name three ways in which Brits are superior to Yanks." Answers: 1) We speak English, 2) When we host a world's championship, we invite other countries, and 3) When foreign dignitaries visit our head of state, we only ask them to go down on one knee. BTW, your initials wouldn't be "RS" by any chance, would they? |
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| Mar-11-12 | | ughaibu: I'm a Brit but I'm not Richard Sams. |
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| Mar-11-12 | | Zugzwangovich: Thanks. Didn't mean to pry but I thought you might be Richard, whom I've met on several occasions. |
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| Mar-27-12 | | Nightsurfer: Since some people have asked whether chess and SHOGI, the Japanese version of chess, have anything in common, herewith a clip that has been produced and aired by the German program of MTV and that is ample proof that SHOGI is part of the Chess World, no doubt about that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eZ... |
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| Mar-27-12 | | Nightsurfer: For those people who speak Spanish rather than German herewith MTV's program on SHOGI with Spanish subtitles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTIo... |
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| Mar-29-12 | | Nightsurfer: Hello <Zugzwangovich>, with regard to your assessment that <"chess and shogi are both such great games"> you have concluded that <"it's hard to understand why players of one almost universally disdain the other">. But things seem to change now. Even our BEAST FROM BAKU-turned-politician Garry Kasparov has already tried out SHOGI: by following the link http://www.chessbase.com/news/2008/... you will see the Champ of the Champs staring at a board of SHOGI. That historic encounter of SHOGI - that Garry Kasparov has battled out on the occasion of an interview with a journalist from Japan in Moscow - can be replayed here: http://blog.chess.com/qixel/Kasparo... Gary Kasparov's flirt with SHOGI has been at http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... ! |
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| Mar-29-12 | | Zugzwangovich: <Nightsurfer> Many thanks for this post! |
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