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Big Pawn
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   Aug-05-22 Chessgames - Politics (replies)
 
Big Pawn: < saffuna: <The post did not break one of the 7 Commandments...> You've been breaking the seventh guideline (The use of "sock puppet" accounts to ...create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited) for weeks. But <susan> had ...
 
   Aug-05-22 Susan Freeman chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: This is your FREE SPEECH ZONE? Deleted for not breaking one of the Seven Commandments, but simply because an "admin" didn't like the comment? lols This is ridiculous. How are you going to allow such tyrannical censorship? <George Wallace: <Willber G: <petemcd85: Hello ...
 
   Jul-03-22 Big Pawn chessforum
 
Big Pawn: Back to the Bat Cave...
 
   Jul-02-22 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: <Get rid of this guy> That's impossible. I'm the diversity this site needs. Life is fair. Life is good.
 
   Apr-21-21 gezafan chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: <Optimal Play>, anytime you want to discuss exactly why Catholicism is heresy, just meet me in the Free Speech Zone, but be prepared to have a high-level debate worthy of an Elite Poster. If you think you can handle it, emotionally.
 
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Nov-19-20  Big Pawn: The actresses and celebrities I thought were the prettiest were:

Cathrine Bach
Cybil Shepard
Heather Thomas
Brooke Shields
Michelle Phillips
Nancy Sinatra

Yeah, Nancy looked great in those mini skirts and Michelle Phillips was definitely the pretty girl in the Mamas and Papas.

I think Cybil Shepard looked at her best on Moonlighting in the 1980s.

Brooke Shields - well, I was really young, in elementary school when she was in movies, but I could tell she wasn't that much older than me, and I knew if she was with me alone, she'd fall in love with me.

heh

None of those women had tattoos.

Nov-19-20  Big Pawn: Women are different now. They cuss and swear a lot, they have tons of tattoos and they're so trashy. Glad I grew up in the 80s.

While I'm complaining, let's talk about late night TV. I hate late night TV nowadays and haven't watched any of that crap in almost 30 years. They call it comedy, but it's just libs being libs. Gross.

But back in the 80s, I would stay up late on Friday night and watch Johnny Carson. On school vacations and summer vacation, I would catch Johnny every single night. I would make tea or coffee, some English muffins and settle in for the Tonight Show. I enjoyed it very much. Carnack. Ed laughing all the time. The musical guests.

I remember one time BB King was on and he played some excellent blues. I popped the VCR tape in and recorded it. I watched it every day for a long time after that with my guitar in hand, learning the licks. Great stuff.

Then Bernadette Peters was on one night and I was captivated heh. I should have added her to the list above. Now I was about 14 and Peters was about 40 and I didn't care for mom age women in my teens. I liked young hot teens my age or a little older, early 20s and that was it, but Peters, my oh my. She got my attention.

I hated Letterman and still do. Is he even on the air anymore? Crap show. Low budget. Garbage. I didn't like Paul Schaeffer either, not compared to the Tonight Show band headed by Doc.

It's not the same when I watch reruns of Johnny on youtube now. It seems kind of boring, I hate to say. It was a big deal back then to see celebrities out of character and on a show just talking, but now it's no big deal at all. Some old scenes are good to watch now, but if you put on a whole show from, say, 1982, it's kind of dry in some parts. Lots of awkward silence from shy guests.

I liked Johnny's skits.

My favorite part of the show, maybe, was his opening monologue. No one could tell a bad joke like Johnny!

Nov-19-20  Big Pawn: https://youtu.be/WZKmsA8bzao
Nov-19-20  Big Pawn: Johnny's monologue has a rough start but ends well.

https://youtu.be/jENapQxK6bc

Nov-19-20
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  Susan Freeman: Funny. I never like Letterman either. All my weird colleagues loved him.
Nov-20-20
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  Susan Freeman: And Conan O’Brien interviews Hunter S Thompson. Cringe
Nov-20-20
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  Susan Freeman: I watch Johnny reruns in the ophthalmologist office waiting for my pupils to dilate. I quite enjoy it.
Nov-20-20  Big Pawn: <Susan Freeman: And Conan O’Brien interviews Hunter S Thompson. Cringe>

Welcome to the <Free Speech Zone>, where you can say what you want and there are no trolls allowed.

Conan O'Brien - no way. He just doesn't do it for me. The whole entire late night thing has become one, big, giant David Letterman show. That's what happened to late night TV.

Just watch those two Johnny Carson monologues I posted and you'll immediately be nostalgic for better times, all the way around. Johnny <was> late night TV. He was the king. I saw everyone on his show. Lucile Ball, Rob Reiner, BB King, Don Rickles, Dean Martin and so many more. I love the way Johnny handled the interviews, even the difficult ones. He had a gentle way about him.

I like the Tonight Show band as well. You don't hear stuff like that anymore. It's ancient history. Now everything has to be <hip>. I remember when Jay Leno took over. Jay was actually pretty good, but the whole look and feel of the show changed.

It got modernized overnight.

I couldn't accept it. I liked it old school.

Now it's a million years ago.

Nov-20-20
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  Susan Freeman: Hunter s Thompson was the show.
Yep. The late show and then Jack Benny.
Fond memories.
Nov-20-20  diceman: <Big Pawn:

It's not the same when I watch reruns of Johnny on youtube now. It seems kind of boring, I hate to say. It was a big deal back then to see celebrities out of character and on a show just talking, but now it's no big deal at all. Some old scenes are good to watch now, but if you put on a whole show from, say, 1982, it's kind of dry in some parts. Lots of awkward silence from shy guests.

I liked Johnny's skits.

My favorite part of the show, maybe, was his opening monologue. No one could tell a bad joke like Johnny!>

Due to political correctness, he wouldnt even be able to do his material today.

Old Johnny Joke:

Q: What do you call a bouncer in a gay bar?

A: A flame thrower.

Nov-20-20  diceman: <Big Pawn:

I remember one time BB King was on and he played some excellent blues.>

Yes, growing up as a guitar player, Johnny's show was one of the few places to see guitarists you didn't normally see.

Johnny was also a drummer. Because of his love and appreciation of music, I believe he had a rule you had to play live, and couldn't just lip-sync your record.

John Mclaughlin performing 'cherokee'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om6...

Nov-20-20  thegoodanarchist: To me this is a very interesting article about the impact of feminism on society:

https://heartiste.org/2012/11/02/la...

On an unrelated topic, in reply to <BP>'s query, Letterman is not on TV. He retired about 5 years ago. I thought he was funny.

My dad was a big Carson fan. And like <BP>, I watched Carson every chance I could, even on school nights. It made for a tough time getting up for school in the mornings, but I wasn't the only one who did so. One of my HS buddies would watch it too.

One night, he watched the show on a night I did not. Next morning he tells me:

<Last night, Zsa Zsa Gabor was on Carson. She had her pet cat with her, seated on her lap. During the interview, she asked Johnny "Would you like to pet my pussy?" Carson replied "Sure, if you move that damn cat.">

Probably that was his greatest off-the-cuff remark ever. My friend said Gabor got pissed and stormed off set.

Nov-20-20
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  Check It Out: Regarding that most likely apocryphal incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRR...
Nov-20-20  thegoodanarchist: I've seen that video clip before. IIRC, that was on one of Johnny's final episodes before retirement, if not THE final one.

But the incident is NOT apocryphal - Jane Fonda actually confirmed what my friend witnessed, and my friend told me about it years before the air date of that video.

Think it through. Do you think my HS buddy was in on the hoax with Jane Fonda and her son?? Years in advance of Fonda asking Carson??

Not only that, I called BS on my buddy the very morning he told me about it, and he swore he was not making it up. He was very serious about that. And I am a good judge of people, especially ones I hang around with every day.

This was LONG before the internet. The most plausible explanation for how this story would spread is that it is factual.

Nov-20-20
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  Check It Out: <Jane Fonda: Is [the story] true?

Johnny Carson: No, I think I would've recalled that.>

Nov-20-20  Big Pawn: A post I wrote about the judgment of God and a warning of it.

<When destruction comes to your family, <Tuna>, don't blame God. Read the bible.

Look at <Zanzibar> tempting God to judge him. Is he aware that God sent unclean people to Israel to kill women and children in judgment?

Because <Zanzibar> mocks God, he will fall under judgment. One day he could come home from work and find his entire family has been raped at gun point and mutilated. He would stand there and cry like a baby, but God is a just God and his judgment is righteous.

Life is fair.
Life is good.>

"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows" Galations 6:7

The thing I can't understand is that people like these godless fools still exist.

I'm in the mood for a God's Existence debate.

Any takers?

There are two competing propositions:

1. God exists
2. God does not exist.

These are positive claims to knowledge. That is, they make claims to know some truth about the universe.

I will supply evidence and arguments for the first proposition, while you will supply evidence and arguments for the second proposition.

Any takers?

It's my contention that atheists are atheists not because they have arguments and evidence for the second proposition, but just cuz they wannabe. It's an emotional decision, despite them trying to sell it as an intellectual one based on science, reason, bla bla bla.

bla bla bla
blaaaaaaaaaaaaahh bla bla.

Nov-20-20  thegoodanarchist: <Check It Out: <<Jane Fonda: Is [the story] true?

Johnny Carson: No, I think I would've recalled that.>>>

I thought I addressed that in my previous post, but looks like I edited it out before final posting.

His denial is simply due to legalities. Gabor probably threatened litigation if the episode was not suppressed, and Johnny would have been restrained as well, not just NBC.

I am guessing that NBC and Gabor settled out of court, and the incident had to be denied under terms of the settlement.

But if you think it is more plausible that my HS buddy was in a conspiracy with the Fonda family, that stretched on for years with no payoff until the final Carson episode, I won't try to talk you out of it any longer.

Nov-20-20  thegoodanarchist: < Big Pawn:

The thing I can't understand is that people like these godless fools still exist.>

It is easier to be an atheist in times of ease and plenty. And the Occident is in the greatest age of material bounty the world has ever seen (mostly the product of a civilization created and maintained by Christians).

<I'm in the mood for a God's Existence debate.

Any takers?

There are two competing propositions:

1. God exists
2. God does not exist. >

I cannot, in good faith, argue for proposition 2.

Nov-20-20  Big Pawn: Have you seen the <Support Forum> page? The libs are there in numbers, screeching about <Big Pawn> as though he is <Trump> himself.

Seriously, what a bunch of social maladroits. They are some ugly nerds, and I don't mean nerd in an endearing way.

The <BP> derangement syndrome is on an insane level. These people need to get a life.

I think they are jealous that everyone hates their crap posts on the <Rogoff> page while the <Free Speech Zone> is enjoying a good reputation for elevated discussion.

Nov-20-20  Keyser Soze: Yeah,Rogoff days are numbered..Smart move..

Let them troll on their own private forum.

Nov-20-20
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  Check It Out: <tga: His denial is simply due to legalities.>

You'll need to back that assertion up with some evidence. Probably-s and and guesses aren't good enough.

Nov-21-20  thegoodanarchist: <Check It Out: <<tga: His denial is simply due to legalities.>>

You'll need to back that assertion up with some evidence. Probably-s and and guesses aren't good enough.>

LOL. Yeah, I'll just write to the NBC legal team and ask them to find a >35-year-old, court-ordered NDA, and then violate it for me.

Look, we cannot always have certitude in life. That's why you have to use your brain here. Years before that episode aired, the one with the clip you linked, my HS buddy SAW it happen on the original broadcast.

YEARS later, turns out Jane Fonda mentions that her son ALSO saw it when it aired. I guess you can continue to believe the Fonda family, living in California, conspired with a teenager living in mid America, to spring this on Carson during his last episode ever. As if that is more believable!

In closing, I know what happened, and no, I don't need to prove it to you. You can either weigh the likelihood of the various explanations, or you can't. Or, to put it differently, (and hopefully you understand this is not meant as a denigration but only as a matter-of-fact statement): I cannot reason for you. You have to do that yourself.

Nov-21-20  diceman: <thegoodanarchist:

<Check It Out: <<tga: His denial is simply due to legalities.>>

You'll need to back that assertion up with some evidence. Probably-s and and guesses aren't good enough.>

LOL.>

Heh, heh, the court date is 2 weeks from Thursday!

I also heard that story when Carson was on TV. It must be true. (I'm guessing a friend told me, I didn't see it live)

<Johnny Carson: No, I think I would've recalled that.>

Just because he said that doesn't make it a denial.

The guy is a comedian!
He's just looking for a cute way out of discussing it.

(Just look at the faces he's making)

It's not like he was testifying under oath in court.

Nov-21-20
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  Williebob: <Carson Curious> I searched Google with "Carson Gabor" to see what came up. Wasn't able to grab text from the Google Book preview, but read a couple paragraphs' treatment of the 'cat incident' from a title called Truth and Rumors: The Reality Behind TV's Most Famous Myths.
After making the case against, the author re-introduces the "well maybe" stuff (Ed McMahon could not deny it, for example). The book looks like typical garbage... come for the scandals, stay for the fact checking!
I would tend to believe <GA>'s story, as is. Mostly because it's freaking hilarious.
One quote of Carson, from a letter he wrote in 1996: "I rather wish it had happened because it's a funny story..."
Scandals in show business seem like part of the business model.
Nov-21-20
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  Check It Out: <tga> If this episode occurred in the early to mid-'80s, where's the footage? The Tonight Show With Johnny Carson show was well documented. No vhs copies? No leaked copies? It's a well-known incident. If anyone had taped the episode it would have found its way to the internet.

<...we cannot always have certitude in life...I know what happened, and no, I don't need to prove it to you.>

It's the "certitude" of your deductions based on hearsay that I'm chipping away at. No, you don't have to prove it, but your language might change.

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