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Big Pawn
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   Big Pawn has kibitzed 26866 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Aug-05-22 Kenneth Rogoff (replies)
 
Big Pawn: < saffuna: <The post did not break one of the 7 Commandments...> You've been breaking the seventh guideline (The use of "sock puppet" accounts to ...create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited) for weeks. But <susan> had ...
 
   Aug-05-22 Susan Freeman chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: This is your FREE SPEECH ZONE? Deleted for not breaking one of the Seven Commandments, but simply because an "admin" didn't like the comment? lols This is ridiculous. How are you going to allow such tyrannical censorship? <George Wallace: <Willber G: <petemcd85: Hello ...
 
   Jul-03-22 Big Pawn chessforum
 
Big Pawn: Back to the Bat Cave...
 
   Jul-02-22 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: <Get rid of this guy> That's impossible. I'm the diversity this site needs. Life is fair. Life is good.
 
   Apr-21-21 gezafan chessforum (replies)
 
Big Pawn: <Optimal Play>, anytime you want to discuss exactly why Catholicism is heresy, just meet me in the Free Speech Zone, but be prepared to have a high-level debate worthy of an Elite Poster. If you think you can handle it, emotionally.
 
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Jan-14-21
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  gezafan: The liberals are calling for Trump supporters to be put into concentration camps. People need to wake up.
Jan-14-21
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  gezafan: Fellow conservatives. Here's a hilarious clip from the TV show Cheers to cheer us up.

https://youtu.be/I69MYSU7_lU

Jan-14-21
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  gezafan: Here's another funny clip from Cheers.

https://youtu.be/KZag1zlecGI

Jan-14-21  thegoodanarchist: <gezafan: In the late 1960s and early 1970s the radical leftists were discussing how many people they would kill after they took power. I remember one estimate was 25 million. These are the people now in power in the USA.>

A Catholic Priest discusses our times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfB...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P2...

These are parts 1 and 2. There are two more in the series, that you can find easily.

If I had to sum up everything so far (I am half way through part 3), I'd say "Evil libs are going to find out who is really in charge. But the body of Christ will suffer collateral damage."

Jan-14-21  thegoodanarchist: <gezafan: Our world is being overrun by evil people. Today we have a fight of good versus evil.>

Yep. Politics for the Left is no longer about policy. Anyone on the Right who is still talking policy doesn't get it. This is a spiritual war.

A Priest discusses what he has learned as an exorcist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6v...

Jan-14-21
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  Troller: I highly doubt that there is a consensus among Biden-voters to be in favor of <concentration camps for Christians and conservatives.> The assumption would be that such camps will be built within the coming months (as the Democrat party is now in power), and you will be deported there for being of Christian faith or of conservative political viewpoint? We will see.

As for the general state of affairs in the US, it looks very sad to an outsider. There is talk of "healing" on both sides but still the atmosphere is very belligerent, again on both sides. I have always made a point of listening to political adversaries and try to understand their motives and concerns. But currently the divide in the US seems simply too deep for that to happen. Or do any of you actually living there find any grounds for optimism in this regard?

Jan-14-21  Big Pawn: <Troller: Troller: I highly doubt that there is a consensus among Biden-voters to be in favor of <concentration camps for Christians and conservatives.>>

Then show me the outrage from libs over this comment. There is none. Zero.

Silence is consent.

Jan-14-21
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  OhioChessFan: <BP: Then show me the outrage from libs over this comment. There is none. Zero.

Silence is consent.>

That has its limits. For the people who echo chamber their heroes, yes.

Jan-15-21
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  Troller: <Then show me the outrage from libs over this comment. There is none. Zero.

Silence is consent.>

Now I took the trouble of venturing into Rogoff-land and see for myself:

Kenneth Rogoff

Kenneth Rogoff

Jan-15-21
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  Troller: Oops, second one should be:
Kenneth Rogoff
Jan-15-21  Big Pawn: <Troller>, the links go to pages with no comment thread.

There was no outrage whatsoever over the <concentration camp> comments. None.

After I ran that post up the flagpole and after <George Wallace> shamed them on the Rogoff page for a day and a half, just a couple libs dared to offer a very mild rebuke, but it's too little, too late.

<Troller>, what should have happened is everyone on that page (on the left, we're talking about the libs) should have dog packed <al wazir> relentlessly. He should have had 12 people debating him at a time. They should have then ridiculed him, denounced him and disowned him.

Then they should have gone to the <Support> forum and brought his <hate speech> post to the owner's attention, trying to get him permanently banned from the site - <if> - they were to be consistent with how they react to offensive posts coming from the Right.

They didn't do that.

<Troller>, we know from many years of experience on that page that when the libs disagree strongly about a post, they gang up, ridicule and refuse to let go of it, going on and on, day after day, never letting that poster live it down, and then they go to management and try to get them banned.

This is an established pattern.

They didn't do that, so their silence implies consent.

Jan-15-21
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  Troller: Hmm, weird. So I quote instead:
<Jan-14-21 Ybr: <gezafan: So, <saffuna,> what's your comment on liberals on this page calling for Trump supporters to be put in concentration camps? That's the kind of people you liberal boomers created and support.>

Crazies are both on left as well as right.

Sometimes , <al wazir> writes some crazy post.

That post of <aw> has been condemned both by me and <perfidious>>

and

<Jan-14-21
Premium Chessgames Member Diademas: <al wazir: <Diademas: Not according to this brilliant legal philosopher:> I think my point is clear. What is yours?>

I didn't think that was too difficult to figure out. Today, in the post linked to, you argue that inciting a stampee or a riot should have legal consequences. Even if no one gets hurt by your actions. Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #457806)

While a year and a half ago you said this:
<Where an activity has no victim, there should be no law forbidding it.> Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #399649)

This seems contradictory to me.
That the case in question was what the rest of us would describe as child molestation or statutory rape didn't make me look more favorably on your 360. Adding up with your willingness to see 75 million of your countrymen in concentration camps just for not sharing your worldview, makes me question your sanity.>

Maybe people do not take <aw> seriously, the last post seems to suggest exactly this.

I do not have people on ignore but there are those posters that I would never answer, as I deem it futile to try and engage in a discussion.

Jan-15-21  Big Pawn: <Troller>, that was after I shamed them into it, so it doesn't count.

See my previous post.

Jan-15-21
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  Troller: <so it doesn't count.> Well, as mentioned I doubt many posters are taking <aw> seriously. And I do not agree that silence always means consent.

According to this line of reasoning, having seen no Conservatives in here condemning the events at the Capitol January 6, we conclude that Conservatives in here condone what took place. Would you agree?

Jan-15-21  Big Pawn: I purposely didn’t say that silence is always consent. I spoke about their established pattern and what one would reasonably expect given their history and the extraordinarily controversial nature of the post in question. I made these points clear in my earlier response to you.
Jan-15-21
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  Troller: <Jan-14-21
Premium Chessgames Member Big Pawn:
Silence is consent.>

<Jan-15-21
Premium Chessgames Member Big Pawn: I purposely didn’t say that silence is always consent.>

This starts to look like double standards to me. But I would rather not venture into hair-splitting.

I note that 1 member - who seems to be widely discredited - has aired the notion of concentration camps. No one is backing it up, on the contrary. Logical thinking implies the idea of concentration camps has no general backing, no? Do you sincerely believe this?

Jan-15-21
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  Keyser Soze: Jack dorsey, twiiter goat beard NERD is promising more!

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas...

Jan-15-21  thegoodanarchist: <Troller: I highly doubt that there is a consensus among Biden-voters to be in favor of <concentration camps for Christians and conservatives.>>

You haven't realized how the Left works. 40 years ago there wasn't a consensus among Dem voters that homosexuals should be allowed to marry. And there certainly wasn't a consensus that transvestites should be reading to children in public libraries.

You won't understand how the Left works until you understand how cultural Marxism works. First they get radical crazies to push some horrific idea. Then, if societal pushback is too great, they settle for some compromise which moves society to the Left a bit less than what thy tried to achieve.

Then they just keep repeating that process, gradually pushing more and more into Leftist depravity.

At the beginning of the 1960s, America had prayer and Bible study in public schools. Marriage was for men and women. Homosexuality was prohibited in the public arena and in many states it was illegal. So was abortion and birth control.

That's how demoralization of a society works.

This is not about the consensus among Biden voters, because voters don't decide policy. The paymasters whom our politicians work for are the ones who decide policy. And since Biden is on the Communist Chinese payroll, he will be doing what is good for China. If you think he cares what the voters want, you are deluded.

Jan-15-21  thegoodanarchist: < Troller: Hmm, weird. So I quote instead: >

It's not weird.

Everyone has different ignore lists, so you cannot link to a <page> or else anyone with a different ignore list won't get the same post you get.

There is a <date> at the beginning of each post. You need to right-click on the date and copy the link. For Macs, the right choice is "copy link location". For PC, I forgot the wording, but I think it is "copy link."

Jan-15-21  diceman: <Troller:

I note that 1 member - who seems to be widely discredited ->

On the right, on the left he's an, <intellectual>.

<has aired the notion of concentration camps. No one is backing it up, on the contrary. Logical thinking implies the idea of concentration camps has no general backing, no?>

Gosh, sounds like <defund the police>!

<Do you sincerely believe this?>

I only need to see <civil rights> champions, destroy black families, incarcerate/bury, black individuals. You folks call it a, <Great Society>.

<Great Society>

As Mr. Spock would say: <Not logical Captain>

Jan-15-21
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  OhioChessFan: <Keyser> if you're here, Donchenko has replaced Dubov at Tata Steel. Get your predictions changed.
Jan-17-21
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  Troller: <thegoodanarchist: < Troller: Hmm, weird. So I quote instead: >

It's not weird...>

Ah, clear. Thanks!

<You won't understand how the Left works until you understand how cultural Marxism works. First they get radical crazies to push some horrific idea. Then, if societal pushback is too great, they settle for some compromise which moves society to the Left a bit less than what thy tried to achieve.>

I understand the premise here. But related to my original post, I asked if people in here really believed that liberals - I take it, this means the 50% or so left of the middle - wants Christians to be put into concentrations camps. This was the statement above.

Apart from that, I agree that the mechanism described by you has happened. However, I also have some remarks:

1) You say "they" get some radical crazies to work. Who are "they" and do you really think somone approached <al wazir> to make him post what he did? The audience in here is ridiculously small. Point being, do not take everything as part of a conspiracy.

2) The mechanism is not reserved for the Left. It is a political weapon - unethical perhaps - but surely the Right has the means and intention to put it to their own use as well.

<Donchenko has replaced Dubov at Tata Steel.>

Too bad. After the Russian Ch, I think many were looking forward to see Dubov play in Wijk.

Jan-17-21
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  OhioChessFan: <tga: There are only 3 options in Christianity. Either you are in the Latin Church (RCC), the Orthodox Church, or you are a Protestant.>>>

<OCF: I challenge <tga> to defend his highlighted affirmation.>

<tga: Heh.

Since you reject the historical record in advance, this challenge is tantamount to declaring yourself the victor in advance.>

Aye, and since you accept the historical record in advance, you assume your conclusion, declaring yourself the victor in advance. Oops!

<If you want to have a discussion about the historic record, then you must <accept> the historic record to have the discussion.>

Translation: If you want to debate a point with me, you must agree with all my a priori conclusions.

<If you don't accept the historic record, then the discussion might as well be a recording of 2 children discussing their Unicorn herds, and the majick medallions all the Unicorns wear.>

If I disagree with you, you should easily be able to show why I'm wrong to do so. Let's go.

Jan-17-21
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  OhioChessFan: <thegoodmormon: The Bible has been corrupted and is untrustworthy.>

<OCF: I challenge <tgm> to defend that claim.>

<tgm: Heh. Since you reject the Book of Mormon in advance, this challenge is tantamount to declaring yourself the victor in advance.>

Jan-17-21
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  Keyser Soze: < OhioChessFan: <Keyser> if you're here, Donchenko has replaced Dubov at Tata Steel. Get your predictions changed.>

Thanks!

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