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   Jan-08-21 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Thanks for the tip, WinKing. Hope it works because, to tell you the truth, I'm feeling a bit frustrated. ciao, jingo
 
   Jan-08-21 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: It would be great if we could get the Bookie site set up to start the new leg with the TATA Steel tournament about to begin in a week. Thanks
 
   Dec-26-20 Sargon chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Sargon, Could we get an adminstrator to close out the Fall Leg of the Chessbookie? Prizes and reset all to $1000, or more if we're not going to get a mid-leg payday? Thanks, jingo Gens una sumus!
 
   Oct-07-20 Norway Chess (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Please join us at the ChessBookie room for some fun wagering, play money. Tough competition! Altibox Norway 2020, Rd 6: Aronian-Caruana Thanks
 
   Oct-01-20 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Rub your lucky charm! Time to bet on the Winner of the upcoming Altibox tournament. Altibox Norway 2020: Winner! Gens una sumus
 
   Sep-16-20 Petrosian vs G Stoltz, 1952 (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: I had no idea that Kotov won that tournament, and with what a score!!
 
   Sep-15-20 St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: And how will Alireza do tomorrow against the Champ? St. Louis Rapid & Blitz, Rd 7 Rapid: Firouzja-Carlsen Place your bet (after checking your crystal ball, of course).
 
   Sep-13-20 Champions Showdown Chess 9LX (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Speaking of draws, how many today in round 7? Starts in a few hours. Only one in Rd 6 yesterday. Place your bets! Click ChessBookie at the top of the page to play!
 
   Apr-19-20 moronovich chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Hi moronovich, I'm jingohanson, the new Bookie. The Pick two is for day four of the event, with the games I posted. Sorry about the confusion. I should have put (Day 4) in the description. Thanks for welcoming me. Your suggestions are welcome. Ciao, jingohanson
 
   Dec-23-19 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Just for the record. Annie and Twinlark were volunteers. I posted more on my profile page. 😊
 
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Sep-23-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: <Sneaky> From the official rules:

<[The game] will adjudicate as won for one side if both playing engines have an eval of at least 6.50 pawns (or -6.50 in case of a black win) for 4 consecutive moves, or 8 plies - this rule is in effect as soon as the game starts.>

You can also look at what happened in previous rounds (and previous TCEC seasons) to get an idea for how long a game is likely to be.

Sep-23-14  tbentley: <TCEC>In addition, if the position reaches five pieces, the result is adjudicated according to the tablebases.
Sep-24-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: The final propositions of the 2014 Summer Leg are now up! No further markets will be opened tomorrow; this is it.

US Chess League rd 5: Molner-So
US Chess League rd 5: Arizona-St. Louis
TCEC Stage 1a rd 5: Gull-Stockfish
TCEC Stage 1a rd 5: Gull-Stockfish: OVER/UNDER
Baku/Durban/TCEC: PICK THREE
Baku Open rd 4: Baryshpolets-Efimenko
Baku Open rd 4: Areshchenko-Rasulov
Baku Open rd 4: Wen Yang-Berkes
Durban Open rd 7: Brunello-Gupta
Durban Open rd 7: WALRUS SPECIAL

Good luck everybody, and have fun!

Sep-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: The 2014 Summer Leg is now over!

Now immortalized in the ChessBookie Hall of Fame is the first place winner <dakgootje> who receives a free year premium membership to Chessgames, and also qualifies for the Winter championship.

Because of the skipped Spring Leg, we are allowing the top twelve to qualify.

Due to concerns of possible rule breaking for one of the qualifiers, we are going to let one more player (AnotherBike) qualify as well.

This gives us the winner list:

1. dakgootje (15,194)
2. Winter (8,851)
3. Robin01 (8,657)
4. ManicSquirrel (7,446)
5. centralfiles (7,431)
6. wordfunph (7,183)
7. 4tmac (6,444)
8. scout118 (6,102)
9. Sneaky (6,054)
10. posoo (6,052)
11. moronovich (6,046)
12. CHRM (5,578)
13. AnotherBike (5,247)

Congratulations to <dakgootje> and the other 12 qualifiers.

Also, a round of applause of for <SwitchingQuylthulg> who did an amazing job running the Chessbookie Game this season. He will be back in the playing field next season, so watch out!

Sep-25-14  posoo: POSOO DID IT.

And on da VERY FIRST TRY as a chess gumbler! only STARTED da game in September and STILL manged to get in da top ten.

I am ITCHING to kno who broke da rules, and how! I admit dat I thot about creating ghost accounts and hedging, but I codnt figure out how to DO IT, nor did I have da time.

CONDRATS

Sep-25-14  posoo: good job kullthug.
Sep-25-14  Nightranger: Of all the days for Gull to learn how to play with White. Lesson learned. Never bet on or against Gull. :-)
Sep-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Great leg! Congratz to <dakgootje> for winning the leg, and also to <centralfiles>, who lost about 10K a week ago, but has gained ~4K over the last few days.

Once again, congratz to <Switch> for running the game, and good luck to the next person (which I believe is <wordfunph>).

No one has mentioned anything about Pay Day yet, so I would like to be the first person to support the idea of Pay Day for the next leg. I like it because it keeps players more interested in the game longer. It wasn't until last Saturday where I lost interest in the leg. If it weren't for Pay Day, I would've quit by mid-August.

Sep-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: FYI: I kept track of the amount of chessbucks wagered. There are probably mistakes, but this should give an idea of how much betting has taken place:

<Benasque Open>
Total Wager: 5,194
# of events: 9
Average per event: 577 1/9
Juice: 186
_______________

<TCEC> 15®
Total Wager: 128,691
# of events: 41
Average per event: 3,138 33/41
Juice: 3,643
_______________

<Multiple Tournaments> Total Wager: 24,911
# of events: 10
Average per event: 2,491 1/10
Juice: 981
_______________

<Dortmund> 1®, 2®
Total Wager: 79,506
# of events: 43
Average per event: 1,848 42/43
Juice: 2,391
_______________

<ACP>
Total Wager: 34,377
# of events: 18
Average per event: 1,909 5/6
Juice: 1,152
_______________

<Biel>
Total Wager: 76,125
# of events: 43
Average per event: 1,770 15/43
Juice: 2,402
_______________

<Olympiad (Women)>
Total Wager: 25,775
# of events: 9
Average per event: 2,963 8/9
Juice: 794
_______________

<Gelfand-Svidler>
Total Wager: 12,360
# of events: 5
Average per event: 2,472
Juice: 321
_______________

<Politiken Cup>
Total Wager: 52,283
# of events: 34
Average per event: 1,537 25/34
Juice: 1,596
_______________

<Olympiad>
Total Wager: 233,578
# of events: 82
Average per event: 2,848 21/41
Juice: 8,077
_______________

<Ibero-American>
Total Wager: 2,521
# of events: 2
Average per event: 1,260 1/2
Juice: 66
_______________

<Geneva Open>
Total Wager: 4,398
# of events: 3
Average per event: 1,466
Juice: 156
_______________

<FIDE>
Total Wager: 19,789
# of events: 2
Average per event: 9,894 1/2
Juice: 287
_______________

<Riga Open>
Total Wager: 170,811
# of events: 57
Average per event: 2,996 13/19
Juice: 4,872
_______________

<Abu Dhabi>
Total Wager: 23,214
# of events: 7
Average per event: 3,316 2/7
Juice: 663
_______________

<Sinquefield Cup> 4®, 5®, 6®, 7®, 8®, 9® Total Wager: 490,696
# of events: 77
Average per event: 6,372 52/77
Juice: 15,835
_______________

<Sharjah>
Total Wager: 59,895
# of events: 13
Average per event: 4,607 4/13
Juice: 1,583
_______________

<Yaroslav the Wise>
Total Wager: 7,481
# of events: 3
Average per event: 2,493 2/3
Juice: 324
_______________

<GRENKE> 11®
Total Wager: 78,368
# of events: 20
Average per event: 3,918 2/5
Juice: 2,265
_______________

<Spanish League> 10® Total Wager: 78,722
# of events: 21
Average per event: 3,748 2/3
Juice: 2,284
_______________

<U.S. Chess League>
Total Wager: 53,227
# of events: 7
Average per event: 7,603 6/7
Juice: 1,429
_______________

<European Club Cup>
Total Wager: 66,896
# of events: 15
Average per event: 4,459 11/15
Juice: 1,658
_______________

<European Club Cup (Women)> Total Wager: 3,214
# of events: 2
Average per event: 1,607
Juice: 123
_______________

<Bilbao> 11®, 12®, 13®, 14® Total Wager: 185,948
# of events: 26
Average per event: 7,151 11/13
Juice: 5,751
_______________

<Amantea>
Total Wager: 9,938
# of events: 3
Average per event: 3,312 2/3
Juice: 273
_______________

<Durban>
Total Wager: 41,233
# of events: 11
Average per event: 3,748 5/11
Juice: 1,246
_______________

<Baku Open>
Total Wager: 20,754
# of events: 9
Average per event: 2,306
Juice: 720

===============

Summer 2014 Leg

Total Wager: 1,989,905
# of events: 572
Average per event: 3,478 489/572
Juice: 61,078

Sep-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: (continued)

Note: For juice, if the 5% from losing pools is a decimal number, I rounded up in favour of the house. Also, all refunded bets are excluded from the total, but mentioned below.

- 243 users received the benefit of Pay Day.
- ® means a bet was refunded. Since below for details.

1® The 1,305 chessbucks from Dortmund rd 3: Naiditsch-Caruana: DRAW NO BET (IN-PLAY) were refunded because the game was drawn.

Dortmund rd 7: Leko-Caruana: DRAW NO BET (IN-PLAY) was refunded due to the game being drawn.

3® The 3,324 chessbucks from Abu Dhabi rd 2: TOP SIX SPECIAL were refunded due to incorrect pairings.

4® The 9,988 chessbucks from Sinquefield Cup rd 2: Nakamura-Carlsen: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

5® The 4,798 chessbucks from Sinquefield Cup rd 6: Nakamura-Aronian: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

Sinquefield Cup rd 7: Topalov-Aronian: DRAW NO BET was refunded due to the game being drawn.

7® The 7,418 chessbucks from Sinquefield Cup rd 8: Caruana-Carlsen: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

8® The 3,863 chessbucks from Sinquefield Cup rd 9: Vachier-Lagrave-Topalov: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

9® The 6,683 chessbucks from Sinquefield Cup rd 10: Aronian-Caruana: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

10® Spanish League rd 5: Giri-Rakhmanov: DRAW NO BET was refunded due to the game being drawn.

11® The 3,255 chessbucks from GRENKE rd 6: Meier-Nisipeanu: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

12® The 5,242 chessbucks from Bilbao rd 1: Vallejo-Aronian: DRAW NO BET were refunded due to the game being drawn.

13® Bilbao rd 3: Anand-Aronian: DRAW NO BET was refunded due to the game being drawn.

14® Bilbao rd 5: Ponomariov-Anand: DRAW NO BET was refunded due to the game being drawn.

15® TCEC Stage 1a rd 3: Gull-Critter: DRAW NO BET was refunded due to the game being drawn.

Sep-26-14  dakgootje: <Now immortalized in the ChessBookie Hall of Fame is the first place winner <dakgootje> who receives a free year premium membership to Chessgames, and also qualifies for the Winter championship.>

Woohoo :)

I wondered quite a bit whether someone, especially Robin01, ManicSquirrel, or wordfunph, would give First Place a shot. I would have done that.. and they had a couple of thousand to burn and still be safe as top-12.. but the previous days [at the very least] they'd been very stable, so I guessed they wouldn't.

So in the end a fairly smooth victory. Heh, my first real chessbookie achievement, after placing second at the world leg behind SQ - with some rather highstakes bets. Man, don't know my final score - but I thought it had some previous world leg winners beat ;)

Speaking of achievements: very nice job by centralfiles! I believe his first try - and a nice long run at the top of the leaderboard, plummeting a few days back, only to regain much of it and finishing 5th. So very nice job there!

Next legs will be tough, with CF as new competitor and <especially> with SQ back! Awesomely led leg - great variation in bets. I quite liked the draw-no-bet, and the different variations of favorites-vs-the-losers. In all honesty, I thought the handicap bets [team A +2.5 etc] were a nice touch, but they did seem to lead to some confusion. And besides, I probably made a net loss on them.. ;D

I hope next legs will feature a similar amount of bet variations :)

Uhm.. anything else.. oh right, pay day!

<No one has mentioned anything about Pay Day yet, so I would like to be the first person to support the idea of Pay Day for the next leg. I like it because it keeps players more interested in the game longer. It wasn't until last Saturday where I lost interest in the leg. If it weren't for Pay Day, I would've quit by mid-August.>

Ah, that's interesting. I was a bit hesitant, because the last few weeks much of the leaderboard stayed unchanged. Moreover, the amounts didn't seem that much higher than previously - so I had some doubts how effective the pay day was. That said, it did seem that the near-pursuers [lets say: those needing a double-up for the leaderboard] were more active than previously.

So perhaps that should be taken as a win :)

Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: <Penguincw: Note: For juice, if the 5% from losing pools is a decimal number, I rounded up in favour of the house. Also, all refunded bets are excluded from the total, but mentioned below.>

The juice should be rounded down; it's pretty much the only number not rounded in my favour.

Congratulations to <dakgootje> and all qualifiers!

Sep-26-14  posoo: Wat is "Pay Day"??
Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: The Pay Day refers to our experiment of all active players receiving a free extra 1,000 chessbucks around the middle of the leg.

As this leg's was the first ever Pay Day, we're particularly interested in Pay-Day-related feedback. Whether the next leg will have a similar Pay Day has not been decided yet - there are plenty of options here (identical Pay Day; bigger/smaller Pay Day; no Pay Day; two smaller Pay Days of 500 chessbucks each; insert your suggestion) and the opinions of all players will be appreciated. (Those who were around when credit ratings were first introduced for Spring 2008 will remember that they were radically modified for the following leg as the result of invaluable feedback from players like <Sneaky> and <malthrope>, and have remained essentially stable since; we'd love to receive similar suggestions for improvements here.)

Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: <Chessgames Bookie> !

Wellcome back.Hope you will enjoy the new season(s).

My proposition is as follows:
At the final the qualifiers start with
20.000 bucks

and the other participants with:

10.000 bucks.

Could seem strange but with this formula the difference is about the same as usual,but the qualifiers amount is only the double compared to now. And we certainly should have bigger pots with odds being more representive for the bets value.

Cheers.

Sep-26-14  scout118: <Chessgames Bookie> Is there a 2014 Fall Leg? From which dates to which dates, if planned?

Some of us mere mortals who managed to squeak in would benefit from a trial leg before the 2015 winter championship round.

I'm guessing the automatic qualifiers from the 2014 winter championship leg, namely Absentee, Touch of Knight, wordfunph, Golden Executive, Diademas, dakgootje, Robin01, ManicSquirrel, martin moller, and Annie K. could sort of like go all in unabashed anytime knowing they'd be getting 10k for the championship and didn't mind scores of minus 10-15k in basically non-bearing qualification legs.

The rest of us just wanted to stay on the leaderboard. Given a level playing field, we can all practice our magic formulas. ;-)

BTW, thanks to you, <switch>, chessgames, Daniel Freeman etal. Played this bookie game a few years ago. This time, I must say, <switch> was very created and the leg was most enjoyable!

Sep-26-14  dakgootje: I'd rather bring down the starting amounts then to 1k and 2k. Not saying I'd support that, but rather than 10k/20k.

Whereas with bigger amounts the odds may be somewhat more representative - with the current rules, people would start out with an enormous max-bet. That is, I thought whenever you cross 10k, your max-bet becomes 10k. So to catch-up with the leaders, you'd need only a single double up - possible with a single max-bet. I'd fear that promotes recklessness, so that pure luck rather than skill determines the winner.

Sure, max-bets could go down - but then what would be the difference with the 1k/2k solution.

--

That all said, I wouldn't be opposed to changing the current championship system. It is possible to finish top-10 as non-qualifier. I did it last year, and if memory serves so did two others. It's even possible to win. But it's quite difficult, because the start is very very slow.

Starting out with 1k and a 200 bet limit and not much to loan, it takes some time to get going. Sure, the qualifiers start ahead, but currently the non-qualifiers have to tie their shoes first as well.

So I suppose that even a visually minor change of increasing non-qualifier stacks from 1k to 2k would have a noticable effect. Not only does the disadvantage go from 10:1 to 5:1, now the non-qualifiers start with a max-bet of 500 - and I suppose a higher possible loan. As opposed to 200, 500 is something you can work with.

Sep-26-14  dakgootje: <scout>

Certainly, being guaranteed 10k is a great advantage of finishing top-10 in a previous championship leg. Gives more freedom to bet, or for that matter to sit out a leg when you don't feel like it.

That was the main reason why I was worried this past week about Robin01, ManicSquirrel and wordfunph. I knew they had qualified already, and could easily take chances. The rest had not, and would probably stand pat.

In any case, I believe it has previously been mentioned [or implied] that wordfunph would lead the Fall-leg. In general legs take roughly 3 months.

Sep-26-14  technical draw: Congrats <dakgootje>.
Sep-26-14  WinKing: Congratulations <dakgootje> on a well played 'Summer Leg' of this contest! :)
Sep-26-14  WinKing: Nice job by <SwitchingQuylthulg> to mix things up a bit for the betters. A job well done! You have raised the 'Bookie' bar. ;)
Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <WinKing: <You have raised the 'Bookie' bar. ;)>>

...too bleepy high, as I keep saying. ;s

Great job <Switch>, thanks for all the fun! =)

Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: We're leaving the game alone for another day or so to make sure that all players can come and congratulate dakjootie and see how they finished.

In any case, the final standings are immortalized here: http://www.chessgames.com/chessbook...

This weekend we'll start to train <wordfunph> as the next volunteer Bookie. He sounds excited about it and I'm sure he'll do a great job.

The real leg will begin in 5-10 days once we're confident we're ready to go. Ideally it would start on October 1st for the Baku Grand Prix but we might not make that deadline.

About the Payday Rule, it's our opinion that it was a good idea, and we're going to keep it.

Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <cg: <congratulate dakjootie>>

I just knew that surprisingly correct spelling (dakgootje) wouldn't last... ;p

Congrats again, <dakkie>! :)

Sep-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < About the Payday Rule, it's our opinion that it was a good idea, and we're going to keep it. >

Yay!

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