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Sep-29-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: All WCC related bets are currently on hold until we get some more information. It's possible that Kramnik's forfeit of game #5 will be contested and the round replayed. We're sorry, but at this point we just have to wait. |
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| Sep-29-06 | | RonB52734: How about letting us bet on "will the WCC resume?" and "Will the forfeit of game 5 stand?" Some other, more humorous bets, also suggest themselves. |
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| Sep-29-06 | | Holden: Nah, let's just bet on actual chess games. Betting on other events (even chess related events) just turns the whole thing into something else. |
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| Sep-29-06 | | NakoSonorense: I had 50 bucks on Topalov for game 5. I demand my money! |
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| Sep-29-06 | | RonB52734: <Holden> It's all chess, bud. Your definition of chess is just narrower than, say, Kramnik's, Topalov's, and mine. |
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| Oct-01-06 | | sofistis1: I have 600 in my account but Topalov's win was given 4.49 so I must have 889 |
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| Oct-01-06 | | sofistis1: acctually i see no money at all |
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Oct-01-06
 | | Sneaky: sofistis1, read the announcement <ALL ELISTA BETS ARE CURRENTLY ON HOLD AS WE AWAIT THE FINAL DECISION OF FIDE - if game #5 is replayed then all tickets will be paid off according to the results of the replay.> |
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| Oct-01-06 | | sofistis1: I don't care about replay the game, I want my profit and bet again. Actually, you have to calculate the interest for those two days of delay. Should it be according to FED or ECB? |
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| Oct-01-06 | | JOHNNY YORK: Is my juice still running at the loan shark, If all my money is on hold then the juice should be on hold to. |
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| Oct-01-06 | | chessmoron: Should game 5 be discarded? And continue game 6 tomorrow with betting. |
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| Oct-01-06 | | you vs yourself: Since it was never played, I think you guys should think about canceling all bets on game 5. |
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Oct-02-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: We're getting close to making a decision regarding game #5. We have three options:
1. Refunding all tickets on the game, as if it never took place. 2. Treating the game as a 0-move victory for Topalov, and paying off all bets literally, based on this interpretation. This is to say: Topalov won, it was under 50 moves, there was no long castling, and there were no checks, and first two moves were "other." 3. We may refund some of the bets, and treat others literally. E.g., the "first two moves" bet is a likely candidate for a refund since in fact there were no first two moves. Also please note that ChessBookie Game Help Page does contain a clause that specifically states: <Note that all forfeited games are treated as losses.> Assuming that Kramnik's loss on round 5 is not overturned by FIDE--and it doesn't look as if it will be--it's hard to find a good argument for not paying the people who wagered on Topalov. |
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| Oct-02-06 | | olydream3: i think the 3rd option fits best, as topalov did win because kramnik forfeited. But there were no moves made, so <chessgames bookie>, please refund those bets please |
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Oct-02-06
 | | lostemperor: <Chessgames Bookie> I definitely think you should refund all bets. This is the normal way it works. Either this or pay off all bets. I will abide your decision though. |
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| Oct-02-06 | | Holden: Either option 1 or 2 sounds more appropriate. Your option 3 sounds a bit subjective. I'm sure my opinion (as others) is colored by what I bet on. |
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| Oct-02-06 | | Holden: Looks like you already paid out/refunded according to option 3. This is probably a situation where it's impossible to please everybody. I'll accept your decision. |
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Oct-02-06
 | | lostemperor: My point is there was no long castling and the moves were under 50! You see, there were no checks and first two moves must be other. |
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| Oct-02-06 | | Sannder: Hi,
on the official FIDE site it says that tomorrow is a rest day. You could consider extending the time to place bets on your open proposals for the match by 24 hours.Just a suggestion (and thank you for refnding some of the game 5 bets)
Sander |
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| Oct-02-06 | | Nightranger: Are we getting options on the next Arno move? |
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Oct-02-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: The decision for round 5 is this:
We can't refund the "winner" ticket, as our rules specifically state that forfeits are treated as losses. So those tickets are paid off. However the game itself never took place, so the issue of game length, opening moves, first check, long castling, etc. are void. |
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Oct-02-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: Bet on Arno's next move here: The World vs Arno Nickel: 13...? |
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Oct-03-06
 | | Annie K.: <Chessgames Bookie> I think we could really use a "first move" or "opening" bet on round 7. Apparently many of us think that it's time for Topalov to switch to 1.e4, so it should be an interesting bet...? |
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| Oct-03-06 | | YouRang: Suggestion: Please consider revising the "forfeits are treated as losses" clause. When placing a wager on a game, do we now have to consider the probability that one of the players will be offended by the other's behavior and not show up, etc.? Also, some of the factors leading up to the forfeiture could occur after the bet has been made. I think it would be simpler and more appropriate to only bet on games that are actually played. |
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Oct-03-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: When we wrote the forfeit rule, we had in mind situations like Morozevich's alarm clock debacle at the 2005 Russian Superfinals. |
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