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   Jan-08-21 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Thanks for the tip, WinKing. Hope it works because, to tell you the truth, I'm feeling a bit frustrated. ciao, jingo
 
   Jan-08-21 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: It would be great if we could get the Bookie site set up to start the new leg with the TATA Steel tournament about to begin in a week. Thanks
 
   Dec-26-20 Sargon chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Sargon, Could we get an adminstrator to close out the Fall Leg of the Chessbookie? Prizes and reset all to $1000, or more if we're not going to get a mid-leg payday? Thanks, jingo Gens una sumus!
 
   Oct-07-20 Norway Chess (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Please join us at the ChessBookie room for some fun wagering, play money. Tough competition! Altibox Norway 2020, Rd 6: Aronian-Caruana Thanks
 
   Oct-01-20 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Rub your lucky charm! Time to bet on the Winner of the upcoming Altibox tournament. Altibox Norway 2020: Winner! Gens una sumus
 
   Sep-16-20 Petrosian vs G Stoltz, 1952 (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: I had no idea that Kotov won that tournament, and with what a score!!
 
   Sep-15-20 St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: And how will Alireza do tomorrow against the Champ? St. Louis Rapid & Blitz, Rd 7 Rapid: Firouzja-Carlsen Place your bet (after checking your crystal ball, of course).
 
   Sep-13-20 Champions Showdown Chess 9LX (2020) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Speaking of draws, how many today in round 7? Starts in a few hours. Only one in Rd 6 yesterday. Place your bets! Click ChessBookie at the top of the page to play!
 
   Apr-19-20 moronovich chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Hi moronovich, I'm jingohanson, the new Bookie. The Pick two is for day four of the event, with the games I posted. Sorry about the confusion. I should have put (Day 4) in the description. Thanks for welcoming me. Your suggestions are welcome. Ciao, jingohanson
 
   Dec-23-19 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Just for the record. Annie and Twinlark were volunteers. I posted more on my profile page. 😊
 
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Sep-29-06
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  Chessgames Bookie: All WCC related bets are currently on hold until we get some more information. It's possible that Kramnik's forfeit of game #5 will be contested and the round replayed. We're sorry, but at this point we just have to wait.
Sep-29-06  RonB52734: How about letting us bet on "will the WCC resume?" and "Will the forfeit of game 5 stand?" Some other, more humorous bets, also suggest themselves.
Sep-29-06  Holden: Nah, let's just bet on actual chess games. Betting on other events (even chess related events) just turns the whole thing into something else.
Sep-29-06  NakoSonorense: I had 50 bucks on Topalov for game 5. I demand my money!
Sep-29-06  RonB52734: <Holden> It's all chess, bud. Your definition of chess is just narrower than, say, Kramnik's, Topalov's, and mine.
Oct-01-06  sofistis1: I have 600 in my account but Topalov's win was given 4.49 so I must have 889
Oct-01-06  sofistis1: acctually i see no money at all
Oct-01-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: sofistis1, read the announcement <ALL ELISTA BETS ARE CURRENTLY ON HOLD AS WE AWAIT THE FINAL DECISION OF FIDE - if game #5 is replayed then all tickets will be paid off according to the results of the replay.>
Oct-01-06  sofistis1: I don't care about replay the game, I want my profit and bet again. Actually, you have to calculate the interest for those two days of delay. Should it be according to FED or ECB?
Oct-01-06  JOHNNY YORK: Is my juice still running at the loan shark, If all my money is on hold then the juice should be on hold to.
Oct-01-06  chessmoron: Should game 5 be discarded? And continue game 6 tomorrow with betting.
Oct-01-06  you vs yourself: Since it was never played, I think you guys should think about canceling all bets on game 5.
Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: We're getting close to making a decision regarding game #5.

We have three options:

1. Refunding all tickets on the game, as if it never took place.

2. Treating the game as a 0-move victory for Topalov, and paying off all bets literally, based on this interpretation. This is to say: Topalov won, it was under 50 moves, there was no long castling, and there were no checks, and first two moves were "other."

3. We may refund some of the bets, and treat others literally. E.g., the "first two moves" bet is a likely candidate for a refund since in fact there were no first two moves.

Also please note that ChessBookie Game Help Page does contain a clause that specifically states: <Note that all forfeited games are treated as losses.> Assuming that Kramnik's loss on round 5 is not overturned by FIDE--and it doesn't look as if it will be--it's hard to find a good argument for not paying the people who wagered on Topalov.

Oct-02-06  olydream3: i think the 3rd option fits best, as topalov did win because kramnik forfeited. But there were no moves made, so <chessgames bookie>, please refund those bets please
Oct-02-06
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  lostemperor: <Chessgames Bookie> I definitely think you should refund all bets. This is the normal way it works.

Either this or pay off all bets. I will abide your decision though.

Oct-02-06  Holden: Either option 1 or 2 sounds more appropriate. Your option 3 sounds a bit subjective. I'm sure my opinion (as others) is colored by what I bet on.
Oct-02-06  Holden: Looks like you already paid out/refunded according to option 3.

This is probably a situation where it's impossible to please everybody. I'll accept your decision.

Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: My point is there was no long castling and the moves were under 50! You see, there were no checks and first two moves must be other.
Oct-02-06  Sannder: Hi,
on the official FIDE site it says that tomorrow is a rest day. You could consider extending the time to place bets on your open proposals for the match by 24 hours.

Just a suggestion (and thank you for refnding some of the game 5 bets) Sander

Oct-02-06  Nightranger: Are we getting options on the next Arno move?
Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: The decision for round 5 is this:

We can't refund the "winner" ticket, as our rules specifically state that forfeits are treated as losses. So those tickets are paid off.

However the game itself never took place, so the issue of game length, opening moves, first check, long castling, etc. are void.

Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: Bet on Arno's next move here: The World vs Arno Nickel: 13...?
Oct-03-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <Chessgames Bookie> I think we could really use a "first move" or "opening" bet on round 7. Apparently many of us think that it's time for Topalov to switch to 1.e4, so it should be an interesting bet...?
Oct-03-06  YouRang: Suggestion: Please consider revising the "forfeits are treated as losses" clause.

When placing a wager on a game, do we now have to consider the probability that one of the players will be offended by the other's behavior and not show up, etc.? Also, some of the factors leading up to the forfeiture could occur after the bet has been made.

I think it would be simpler and more appropriate to only bet on games that are actually played.

Oct-03-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: When we wrote the forfeit rule, we had in mind situations like Morozevich's alarm clock debacle at the 2005 Russian Superfinals.
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