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Dec-11-06
 | | Domdaniel: Forums (provisional)
jepflast -- 36.b4
themadhair -- 36.Qd8
other 36th moves can be divided between: mack, eyal, stevens, and anyone else who'd like a go... |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: I've had another look at those seven moves. The fact that they all lead to good positions for white is just a reflection of how strong our position is -- they don't need individual forums, IMO. As long as b4 and Qd8 are covered we're okay - I'll allocate all the others to one forum for now. Splits can be made later. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | mack: <Dom> If you don't mind, I'd rather not take anything in the next round of forums, as I'm most likely going to be transcribing lengthy interviews during the day and tottering around the London spoken word scene at night. The game's won anyway, innit? |
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| Dec-11-06 | | mack: Sorry chump, missed your second message. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | jepflast: <Dom> I'm set up for 36. b4 now. |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <mack> that's fine... I *hate* transcribing interviews... I'm always late with 'em because it takes me so long to plough through the blasted things. And things aren't as urgent as I thought they were at first. Metro, boulot, dodo, Arno, eh? |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <jep> Got that, thanks. Announcement coming up soon. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Artar1: Domdaniel:
I believe in team work and division of labor. We currently have on board about 12 or so really good analysts. They need to be encouraged to keep pumping out the lines of play. I seem to work best sweeping up this wonderful output and compiling it into one mega game, which will now be called the Leviathan. If A. Nickel beat the hydra, which is a very small animal indeed, he is going to have a much more difficult time with the Leviathan, which has now gained the stature of the Colossus of Rhodes. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Artar1: Domdaniel:
Also you may encourage the analysts, which we can now call our grand knights, to also use Centaur calculations. That means, using a predetermined ply, let's say 16 or 18, for each half move. This process virtually eliminates the horizon effect. And as the endgame approaches, the ply level may need to be moved up to 20 to 25 for each half move. A. Nickel won't be spending that amount of time on this game. His level of play shows that. We have enough people for this task, and if we are capable of pulling it off, it will reduce our need to consult endgame books, which will only have a limited utility to our position. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Eyal: <Domdaniel> Just got back home and saw Nickel's move and your messages - I'm ready to host any move you like (or even more than one, if you think some of them at the bottom of the list don't really deserve much attention). |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Eyal: Oh, I see you already assigned them all. Well, if any move arises as a more serious contender... |
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Dec-11-06
 | | OhioChessFan: I'll host 34. Bxg7 |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Thanks - I've got you on standby if any of the other five jump out of the pack. There's no point in doing anything yet -- they might get very little analysis if the top two moves keep on looking good. Then again, 36.Rf2 is very close in Rybka eval to the top two. If you want to try it, I'll add you to the active list. |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <Ohio> Okay, 34.Bxg7 it is. I reply 34...Rxf3. Your turn... Actually - can you help to keep an eye on the 5 'lesser' moves in stevens's forum? <Eyal> is ready to take one on if necessary... |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <Artar1> That's fine, carry on sweeping. I know you said you had no great attachment to it, but it must still be odd to have 60% of Leviathan become redundant at a stroke. I agree about teamwork, but those analysts are very resistant to structures imposed from outside. Everyone has their own method. Some pursue a line to move 60... others, like me, prefer to keep the focus on short-term variations and make sure every sidetrack is explored. They all complement one another, at least in theory. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Eyal: <Then again, 36.Rf2 is very close in Rybka eval to the top two. If you want to try it, I'll add you to the active list.> Rf2 is such a lackluster move, I doubt if anyone would really be interested in it. But there seems to be surge of interest in Qf4 - apparently it can simplify rather quickly to a rook ending which might be won for us. |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Eyal: Well, I see people were so excited about it they have already opened a new forum for Qf4... (User: Tabanus) |
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Dec-11-06
 | | Tabanus: <Dom> Sorry about this. I hope it is okay? <Thorsson> made me do it! There was no forum, and I was so carried away by this Qf4... |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Artar1: The Leviathan is Formatted At Last!
You can find it on my forum; just click the horse!
It has all the analysis as of yesterday without any of the unneeded lines. And, yes, it has been formatted! Hopefully you will have an easier time reading it. Feel free to print it out and to use it in your analysis. Regards
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <Tab> No, <I'm> sorry, for sounding angry in the first message (now deleted). It was just surprise - I had somebody ready to go if one of the 'other' moves attracted interest, I saw that Qf4 was doing just that, I cyber-dashed away to organize it -- and found you'd beaten me to it. Absolutely no harm done. Welcome aboard and good luck. I'll find somebody to take over if necessary when you go on holiday - the 19th, yes? |
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Dec-11-06
| | Tabanus: <Dom: I had somebody ready to go> I didn't know that. If it was one of the old hosts, he/she can take over, of course, no problem. No need for an unnessesary new host! |
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| Dec-11-06 | | Artar1: Domdaniel:
Now that the Leviathan is up and running, I will take a look at 36.b3 and 36.Rf2. You have 36.Qd8 (the strongest move) and 36.b4 covered. Regards |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Apologies. You can follow part of the mix-up path above. I saw that Qf4 was picking up speed on the main page, but I didn't say anything there - just went off to leave a note for you. And <Tabanus> had sprung into action by then... Unprecedented. No new forumistas for ages and then two arrive at once. Like buses. I agree about Rf2. In fact Thorsson posted something to the effect that it only transposed into a slightly weaker version of a known position. It's still possible, I suppose, that RV's analysis will suddenly lurch in favor of one of the minor moves -- but I suspect that the current forums will remain as they are for some days. However, my predictions often go wrong. Hang around and watch. |
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Dec-11-06
| | Domdaniel: A tentative idea.
We won't have to play it for a week, but 36.Qd8 is clearly a very strong contender on that move. However, there is already some disagreement as to the best follow-up. Some, including RookFile, argue for 36.Qd8 Qe8 37.Qxe8, and a rook ending. Others, including me, kwgurge and honza, prefer 37.Qb6 with a possible queen ending. Both may be winnable. At some point - depending on the amount of analysis being generated - it'll be best to separate the different lines after 36.Qd8. Not just yet, but I'll keep an eye on this. <Eyal> and other hosts-in-waiting may get their chance with this. |
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Dec-12-06
| | Domdaniel: <All>
ENDINGS - A PLAN
Here is an outline plan for a way of handling endgames. It lifts freely from ideas provided by Ohio and others. We need a different ending workshop - and we need it right now, while we have a week to decide on the best ending after moves 36-37. In the <Nightranger> forum we tried the regular forum approach, and it hasn't really worked. Confusion, stop-start irregularity, lack of general use, etc. The new forum will begin by finding, identifying and naming the key endgame start positions that arise in Artar1's compendium (or RV, etc). For example: after 34.Bxg7 Rxf3 35.Rxf3 Kxg7 36.Qd8 Qe8 (A) 37.Qxe8 Rxe8 etc is the <RookFile rook ending> (B) 37.Qb6 etc leads to the <Honza queen ending>: after 37.Qb6 Re3 38.Rf2 Re2 39.Rxe2 Qxe2 this position arises: 
click for larger view[these names are just picked here for convenience - we can call them 'Ending-B52/735' or 'penguins in bondage' if you prefer...] The new Ending Forum will display FENs of the key start positions, clearly visible in the header/profile area, tagged, with the moves leading up to them given. Analysis may be posted on the forum beneath, but the idea is to look for consensus - and to decide whether a given position is a win or a draw. Posts would state which FEN was being analysed, and say where the new idea deviates from existing lines. The forum host: active hosting and endgame experience are not vital, though either would be helpful, and you will need to update the FENs and add new ones. The really important point is that FEN diagrams must be clearly visible in the forum header. We can use Artar1's Leviathan as a starting point for deciding which FEN positions to display and work on. I think there are maybe 5 or 6 important ones to begin with. More can follow. I'm not going to ask <Nightranger> to change his current Endings forum for this. His Endings forum is also useful as it is, and his Kibitzing Guide should not be disturbed. So I'll just toss out the idea now, and look for a volunteer. Any of the regular forum hosts who'd like to try this would be welcome. There are some new volunteers like Eyal ready to take over hosting moves/lines. Ideas and volunteers welcome.
Thanks. |
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