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Dec-12-06
 | | Domdaniel: FORUMS
The forum system is being rejigged to reflect this new phase of the game. Two old regulars, the Strategy Forum and the Devil's Advocate Forum are now suspended. I'd like to thank <Open Defence> and <YouRang> for hosting them so well right through the middlegame. The new system reflects the fact that we're moving into the endgame. YouRang is hosting a new FEN Shui Parlor, which features FEN diagrams of the basic queen and rook endings. It's like a visual version of Artar's Leviathan - use it to see the endings at a glance. The main lines of analysis are also included. The messages from Arno Nickel and links to his writing, previously hosted by YouRang, are now in my forum header. |
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| Dec-12-06 | | twinlark: Dom - I'll go along with whatever is agreed upon. I do share Tabanus' puzzlement as to what is actually going to be different, though. We still have forums, they'll be analysing moves and lines, and they won't all be on the same forum? Dropping the Devil's and Strategy Forums frees up some of our resources - good move. I would have gotten back to you earlier, but my home LAN is in all sorts of trouble and the technical assistance department (my son) has been tearing his hair out trying to fix it. Between several bung motherboards, dud CPUs, subtly incompatible hardware, three PCs, two Macs, network cards of dubious efficiacy and a suspect router, we're in doo doo. I'm posting from work now, but hopefully I'll be back on line in the next day or tow. If you still want me to coordinate the forums, I might need a briefing of key developments cause I haven't been keeping up with the full day to day detail of what's been happening. In fact, you may even relegate me to the rank of yesterday's man if you wish. |
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Dec-12-06
 | | Domdaniel: <twinlark> Just being managerial, old boy, axing whole departments and setting up whimsical new ones with strange new-agey names lifted from a secondhand management textbook (What Makes a Quiche Good in Bed). Well, the CEO - that's you - *did* order me to be more proactive and bosslike. Seriously, there is a reason for YouRang's new venture, the FEN Shui Parlor. Analysis can carry on in the usual forums - this is more like a visual complement to Artar's Leviathan, but with fewer branches. It's somewhere that people can see what the basic endings look like, along with the current top analytic lines. Still needs some tuning, but I felt it was needed. Damn computers. I lost a pile of unsaved Queen ending material yesterday just by tripping over the mains lead. So it's back to the trip-proof laptop. Have you tried kicking yours hard in the testacy circuits? |
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| Dec-12-06 | | twinlark: Bewdy Newc - d'yer still want me to start coordinating again on the weekend? BTW - re management style - good stuff, I don't see any complaints. You have a clear vision of what needs to be done and you're setting it into motion. |
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Dec-12-06
 | | kwgurge: <Dom> I have posted a line on <jepflast's> forum on which I would welcome your comments. It starts with 36.b4, but incorporates <Tabanus'> Qf4 at move 38. Interestingly, it forces (?) black to trade queens in a manner which gives us a second decisive queenside passed pawn. I'll work on any suggested improvements for black. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | twinlark: hitman84 won't be around for a while and he'd like his forum used for workshopping by a non-premium member. Seeing as we have difficulty finding non-PMs to do this, I don't think he'd be put out if a move was managed by a PM. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <kwgurge> Thanks - I'm just about to set a few hours aside for my own analysis of the game: haven't had much time lately, with Forum stuff going on. My main interest is the Queen ending after 36.Qd8 Qe8 37.Qb6 etc, and also checking Black's Q+R alternatives to ...Re3 and ...Re2. My previous look at the Q-ending had White wins in many lines without even having to move the King. But I'd also like to probe the couple of lines where the king *does* come out. I've only had a quick look at the 36.b4 lines, but the idea of Qf4 to follow sounds good. We seem to be on much the same wavelength most of the time - I can't understand why anyone would want to trade queens, short of a stone-cold 100% win in the Rook ending. If that emerges I'll happily vote for it, but meantime I'd rather use all that Queen power. I'll post anything I find on the relevant forum(s) later today. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <twinlark> as you've seen, Eyal and Tabanus are now hosting forums (though Tab will be away from Dec 19th). I think we have tons of forum <space> - active hosts is the ongoing problem. You or Ohio may make a better job of attracting volunteers. Yes, I would still like you to take over again for a few days. I've just learned that more work is expected of me next week, so maybe you could take over from Monday 18th to Thursday 21st? Then I should be OK through to January. Will your computer problems and schedule allow this? Assuming GMAN makes the two forced moves in 24 hours, the week looks like this (in Euro-America-centric terms): Weds 13: Bxg7
Thu 14: ...Rxf3
Sat 16: Rxf3
Sun 17: ...Kxg7
Tues 19: 36.Qd8/36.b4/etc.
So Monday 18th lands you back in the hotseat just in time for our next real voting decision (but I can handle the forum coordination after GMAN's 35...Kxg7). The forums will presumably have developed by then, but I won't try to second-guess them now. Other stuff: this week-long sequence is almost as good as a time-out. It gave me time to rejig the forums, and I might even get some analysis done next. More importantly, it should mean that almost every voter who cares will have time to do the same, even if it only means playing through Leviathan's options. I'm still trying to maintain the dual purpose idea with forums -- both a support system for the stronger analysts, and an info resource for those with less time or experience. The FEN Shui Parlor is really more for the latter -- the serious analysts won't need it. We seem finally to have some really good endgame analysts emerging. There is still the sorting of wheat from chaff to be done, though. The forums should help there. One other point -- with both Strategy and the Devils gone, we don't really have a 'discursive' forum anymore. I'm not sure if we need one at this stage: as people keep stressing, it's about lines of analysis now. It's impossible to say what effect the holiday period will have. Some will be away with families etc - others will be on a break from work and may even have more time to spend here. I plan to be in the same house, with the same computer, and much the same schedule - the EYE don't blink for no mere holiday. There may be odd noisy relatives hanging around waving bottles of alcohol at me, but that's nothing new... cheers... or, as a cynical christmas card somebody sent me says: Reason's Secretings... |
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| Dec-13-06 | | Eyal: <Dom> Regarding the rook ending analyzed in my forum - there seems to be a consensus that 38.Rb3 Kf6 39.Rb6 Ke6 (and then probably) 40.Kg3 Ra8 is the critical line (i.e., the one which gives black best chances of resistance) - do you think there's a point in posting a message on the main page to that effect, encouraging people to concentrate their efforts on this line, if they decide to have a look at the ending? |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Yeah, that's a good idea - anything that assists communication between the forum and the main page can only be a help. Do you want me to do it? It'd perhaps be better from you, as it's your forum and you're more familiar with the exact details. btw, I'm looking at a book here - The Story of a Chess Player, by Jaan Ehlvest - whose cover is the same image as your avatar, just rotated and cropped differently. I had to squint for a while before I saw it. It's a great image - I wonder where it originates, as the book doesn't say. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Does KnightLunatic's long analysis on the main page [p.902] change anything? It begins with the moves
< ... the classic:
36.Qd8 Qe8 37.Qxe8 Rxe8 38.Rb3 Re4 39.Rb6 Rxd4 40.Rxa6 Rb4 41.Rb6 Ra4 42.b4 Kf6 43.a6we have now: 43...Ke5! 44.b5(couldn't find a win with 44.Kg3) ...> |
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| Dec-13-06 | | Eyal: <Dom> - Um, I don't think so, because it shows a win for white (though I haven't gone over it yet) in the line with 38...Re4 - which is the other main option for black besides 38...Kf6 in the line I mentioned. So it actually emphasizes 38...Kf6 needs to get more attention now. BTW, the image IS nice - looks a bit like an Escher painting, though I don't think it's actually by Escher. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> I saw that KnightLunatic's post was on your forum too, so I deleted my reply there. If forum posting slows down, or if a particular line dominates, a post on the main page can help to speed things up. Although your line still seems to be getting the most attention. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | Eyal: <Dom> Well, as far as I could see all the other lines are considered won for white at present, and there hasn't been posting on the line I mentioned for some hours since <Honza>'s last analyses, so it might help things a bit. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | jepflast: <Dom: midweek report> Sure, I'll throw something together tomorrow probably. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | twinlark: OK Dom. The Ferrari is still buggering up so I'm forced to use the oldde T-model iMac chugger my great grandfather purchased earlier this century. I may even have the Ferrari back on the road by the weekend. If anyone wants an idle Shredder 10 to run some endgame lines, it's available |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <oldde T-model iMac chugger>
Bloody luxury. I've still got a semi-functioning MacPlus and an old Danish Apple laptop with a busted fax-modem. With various writings and chess games locked into them, behind the Great Temporal Firewall of Obsolescence. Hmm. Looks like Oz is headed the same way, actually... |
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| Dec-13-06 | | twinlark: Yeah, but my iMac is powered by elastic bands and mice running running inside a wheel being chased by a feral wombat. For a treatise on how Oz can easily become obsolete, take a look at Jared Diamond's chapter on Oz in "Collapse" subtitled "How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive." This should happen about the time Eastern US, the UK and most of Yurp freeze when the downwelling of the northern reaches of the Gulf Stream is disrupted by Arctic meltwater. It'll probably be another Younger Dryas event which takes about three years to happen. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <TL> Yep, I've read Jared Diamond's stuff. Very, very good, even if he sometimes gets a tad optimistic about those nice eco-friendly oil multinationals in PNG. <Side issue: my ex moved to Port Moresby and we stayed in touch. I even learned a little about Tok Pisin and other PNG pidgin languages. Some bits of it come direct from Strine.F'rinstance, the word 'arse' or 'ars' has been generalized to mean the base, support, fundament or (ahem) root of just about anything. 'ars-bilong-tri' is the root of a tree. Foundations are 'ars-bilong-haus', and so on. Now, in Arabic, al-qaida means 'the base' - I wonder how Osama goes down in Papua with a name like that. Does he style the firm 'ars-bilong-Allah' or what? One of my copious obscure writings deals with a character named Ars-bilong-Rambo.> Close parentheses. Where were we? Yeah, Jared D -- I think he deliberately praises the corps and zaibatsus, knowing that (tough though it is for the green/left to accept) only sound business propositions with actual bottom lines (ars-bilong-paper) can save the planet now. Otherwise we should all stock up on paper-bilong-ars. At least I live on a hill. When the city below gets swamped I'll be besieged by feral urbanites. I wonder if you can grow potatoes in a tundra archipelago. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <TL> Think I'll move to some part of Scandinavia. Sure it's freezing and getting more fruz, but they know how to deal with it. Nobody in these vaguely Brit Isles has the foggiest notion how to deal with even mildly extreme weather. Autumn leaves close the rail networks down. Summer heatwaves (anything over 30) cause riots. Snow stops traffic. Rain stops play... |
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| Dec-13-06 | | twinlark: <even if he sometimes gets a tad optimistic about those nice eco-friendly oil multinationals in PNG.> It actually provides an insight into his private pessimism. He's a frequent visitor to the Australian National University in Canberra, and last time he was here, he reportedly and inadvertantly (via the Big Issue - a street paper) revealed his angry pessimism about the future in a private unguarded moment. He <has> to be optimistic publically, as otherwise his work is pointless. Only governments and corporations have the resources for the huge scale of work that needs to be done and done quickly, and just how likely is this? Kim Stanley Robinson's being doing some work - in fictional form (Forty Signs of Rain and Fifty Degrees Below) about how international efforts may coalesce - after the weather has fallen apart - in environmental amelioration projects. Similar sort of corporate theme as Diamond's I suppose but seen from the perspective of some US scientists trying to influence the policy process in Washington. Even with relatively optimistic results politically, the environmental outcomes are still horrendous. We're in for a few dozen millenia of bad weather and bad crops I suspect, undercut further by mass extinctions, before there's a new equilibrium (which one of my colleagues in the Department of the Environment thinks is a somewhat optimistic thought as the limits of runaway greenhouse effects can't really be calculated). And probably slightly (...) elevated mortality rates across all demographics except perhaps for the top socioeconomic tenth of a percentile. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | twinlark: Feel free to delete this and the last diatribe...I'm cross and still reeling from the hide of the prick that leads this country hectoring us on the need to get used to extreme weather. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | Domdaniel: <t> - Why would I delete anything so innaresting? I suspected Jared was playing up to big biz - "Look guys, eco-awareness is profitable, you can save the butterflies, extract your fossil fuels, and make the affluent folks feel better about life..." - but I didn't know about the private pessimism. Guns, Germs & Steel is a classic. Some of his more recent stuff puzzled me. But as you say: if he can't try to push the positive line, why bother? He's not the only one doing this. A very weak analogy: imagine what the kibitzing would be like if the situation on the board was reversed. Yeah, I know it doesn't really work.
It must be maddening. Oz is in deep doodoo and it's run by an elected neo-troglodyte. A reminder that, like his pal Dubya, there are still plenty of powerful people making things even worse than they are already. At least, somewhere in their corporate limbic systems, biz people want a world that still contains customers in 200 years time. Far from a priority, but it's somewhere in their to-do list. Many politicos can only think to the next election - beyond that, there's the govt pension and delusions about being vindicated by history. Oh, we could both rant for days and nights on this one... I've never read Robinson... yet. I can think of weather fiction like Bruce Sterling's Heavy Weather. And older imagistic stuff like Ballard's Drowned World. Which I also own in Hungarian, for some reason. |
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Dec-13-06
 | | OhioChessFan: Ov Vey, and I thought <RichardTaylor> had some conspiracy theories to make your heart melt. No matter, the global warmers are the same people who 40 years ago said there'd be no edible fish by the year 1990 because of global cooling.
On a more positive note, I'd be happy to watch the Tabanus place while he's away. And if you'd like to spend more time analyzing, I'd take another shot at coordinating. |
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| Dec-14-06 | | twinlark: Hungarian? That'd be a treat, it'd be one of the few things to encourage me to brush up on the language now me folks have passed on. As for our PM...it gets worse. Gore thinks Howard's a key player on the world stage as he's the only Western leader keeping the US from being completely isolated on Kyoto, (and for that matter Iraq if the Poodle gets clipped). When I think of Howard having that sort of leverage, I just want to wake up from what I hope is a particularly droll episode of Sliders and an ugly alternate reality to a world where rationality serves equity, not greed. It's just too much, Howard's such a loathsome bastard. On a recent interview ealier this year on one of Australia's most popular chat shows (Andrew Denton's "Enough Rope"), Billy Connolly recently described Howard as a "vulgarism" and "a boring little man..a silly boring little man." Unfortunately, an inordinately influential silly boring little man. Gak. |
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