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Jan-05-07
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> Thanks for the Juvenal tip-off. It was probably a good thing for the Roman Empire that shotguns and hypodermic syringes hadn't been invented yet. Although you can go quite a long way with a trident and a bunch of poppies... |
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Jan-05-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Roussel, mais oui. Also his Locus Solus, even if the thing reads like an insanely bad parody of Jules Verne. His explanatory text, Comment j'ecrit certains de mes Livres, is delightful, in an obfuscatory way. Stanislaw Lem, like Borges, has written many reviews of imaginary books. You know the ones Borges wrote as H. Bustos Domecq? One Borges appreciation of a fictional Irish writer begins with the line 'Herbert Quain has died in Roscommon'. In the early days of the internet I wrote a thing called 'quain@rosc' which tried to fold the Borges fiction into another one... |
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Jan-05-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> The inverse of that vast 'laborious madness' might be this: a fiction written at the rate of exactly one word per day. A lifetime should be enough for one fair-sized novella. During the rational, optimistic periods you plan out elaborate sentences and delicately slot them into place -- a bit like playing correspondence chess. You don't mind having to write 'if' on Monday and 'the' on Tuesday, because you know there's plenty of time... Then come the darker periods. Bending the rules with huge compound verb-nouns, fantastic polysemes struggling to contain themselves. "Let's make meaning!" you cry as you crack up, poluphloisboiotatotically. Then the really dark period. The Work continues, but you write '@#$%' 245 times in succession before you pull out of the trough... And so it goes on.
I haven't actually got very far with this, btw. Ars longa, vita brevis. |
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| Jan-05-07 | | Eyal: Another idea would be to spend a life-time on a perfect poem which consists of a single line, as the king's poet did at his command in Borges' "The Mirror and the Mask", after having composed two unsatisfactory longer poems. This, however, might have some dire consequences: <"The sin the two of us now share," mused the king. "the sin of having known beauty, which is a gift forbidden mankind. Now we must atone for it. I gave you a mirror and a golden mask; here is the third gift, which shall be the last."He laid in the poet's right hand a dagger.
Of the poet, we know that he killed himself when he left the palace; of the king, that he is a beggar who wanders the roads of Ireland, which once was his kingdom, and that he has never spoken the poem again.> |
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| Jan-05-07 | | Eyal: <I haven't actually got very far with this, btw.> Do you mean the one-word-for-a-day book, or the story about its writing? You should try the latter, probably. |
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| Jan-06-07 | | danielpi: <Jess><...and where the freaking heck is Daniel Pi? Having a life outside of chessgames.com?> Unfortunately. Worst semester ever.
<DomDaniel><With bufon vanquished and you temporarily absent, what else did he have to live for?> Well put. It took awhile, but I found new enemies. Without enemies, there isn't terribly much reason to socialize, is there? <Jess><how can I see one of Daniel's films?> http://www.youtube.com/profile_vide...
<Eyal><<aleatory writing> I suppose you mention that as a way for the author to "disappear" - or at least to problematize his presence. I would add that aleatory procedures lay bare the way in which EVERY text really is, as Umberto Eco once put it, "a machine for producing possible worlds". I actually had a fascination period with aleatory writing myself, though more from the theoretical than the historical angle. Btw, do you include in this category texts such as Raymond Roussel's "Impressions d'Afrique"?> I leave for a couple months and everyone goes continental philosophy on me. Shame on each and every one of you (slams a copy of 'Naming and Necessity' on the table and storms out of the room). |
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| Jan-06-07 | | Eyal: Continental philosophy? Me?!? I HATE all this German metaphysics! Long live analytic philosophy! (slams a copy of 'Being and Time' on the table and storms out of the room). |
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| Jan-06-07 | | mack: <I haven't actually got very far with this, btw.> Do you mean the one-word-for-a-day book, or the story about its writing? You should try the latter, probably.> But, just to confuse matters, you should only do one word a day. |
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| Jan-06-07 | | Eyal: <I haven't actually got very far with this, btw. <Do you mean the one-word-for-a-day book, or the story about its writing? You should try the latter, probably. <But, just to confuse matters, you should only do one word a day.>>>. OK, so that's a one-word-for-a-day story about the writing of a one-word-for-a-day novella. Now, is the subject of the novella free, or is it also meta-fictional? |
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Jan-06-07
 | | Domdaniel: The word for today is: <So>... |
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Jan-06-07
 | | Domdaniel: <(slams a copy of [insert text] on the table and storms out of the room).> Er, what table? What room?
(slams a copy of the table into [insert text], which bulges metafictionally and gobbles it up...) |
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| Jan-06-07 | | Larsker: <'Being and Time'> I prefer "Being And Nothingness". Of course, I haven't read it - but I did read a French interview with Sartre where the knowledgeable journalist asked about a certain passage and Sartre answered that he didn't know either what it meant - but only that it felt right when he wrote it. |
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| Jan-06-07 | | TheSlid: <one-word-for-a-day book> I remember it well! It was called "Anne likes Red". They don't write them like that any more. Well, maybe they do, but it seems to take longer... : ) |
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Jan-06-07
 | | OhioChessFan: <Looks around, kicks a rock, leaves> |
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Jan-06-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: 1. <Being and Nothingness> is little more than a cribbed, and confused, version of <Zein und Zeit> 2. <Zein und Zeit> was entirely repudiated by Heidegger himself, who wrote an essay near the end of his life claiming that the poetry of <Holderlin> actually had the power to <represent> (actual scholars--find the original German word) the <space before Being>, directly implying that poetry has the power to make metaphysics into physics. 3. The above claim by <H> is, as <Bertrand Russell> might well say, simply silly. 4. Sartre's <Existentialism is a Humanism> and <Nausea> are worth a look, though again the central premise of the latter is merely a fictional recapitulation of <Heidegger's> notion of the <broken hammer>. 5. David Byrne's first radio hit does a more succinct and engaging recapitulation of this notion: "How did I get here? How did I get this big car?" 6. <Ipso Fatso>, there is no reason to read <Continental Philosophy> so long as we recognize that Britain is NOT on the Continent (so we can keep Russell. OK and Hume) 7. <ergo>, <quod demonstrandum> (and <cave canem> for that matter), it is probably wiser to dine on a nice Continental breakfast and read <Moby Dick> until you fall asleep (should take around fifteen minutes per session). Jess |
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| Jan-06-07 | | danielpi: <Eyal><(slams a copy of 'Being and Time' on the table and storms out of the room).> (danielpi returns to the room to find a copy of 'Being and Time' on the table) Who's been reading this filth? And what the heck did you do with that Kripke I gave you?! You fools! <Jess><6. <Ipso Fatso>, there is no reason to read <Continental Philosophy> so long as we recognize that Britain is NOT on the Continent (so we can keep Russell. OK and Hume)> Hold on there, sister. As I'm sure you know, the analytic/continental schism didn't really get going until Frege and Hegel. Frege, Wittgenstein, and Carnap had at least an equal share in founding analytic philosophy as Russell and Moore. Furthermore, there are a good many analytic philosophers on 'the continent', and a healthy (or unhealthy, as the case may be) number of continental philosophers traipsing around Anglo-America as we speak! Let's be clear. Analytic philosophy is that which values clarity and rigor above all. Continental philosophy, as one might expect, is that which revels in confusion, opacity, and fallacious reasoning. I'm not saying one's better than the other. They're just different. To each his own. Tsk tsk! What would poor Descartes, Kant, Plato, Aristotle, or Leibniz say about your calling them 'continental'? It's blasphemy, I say! Blasphemy! Postscript: I just read Kingsley Amis's "Girl, 20". First fiction I've read in over a year. Quite pleased to have happened across it. Perhaps I'm not a fair judge, though, since I identified so strongly with Douglas Yandell that my appreciation for the art might have been little more than a case of admiring my own reflection (which I'm prone to spend long hours doing). |
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Jan-07-07
 | | Domdaniel: The word for today is: I |
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| Jan-07-07 | | Eyal: <The word for today is: <So>...> <The word for today is: I> Aha! so you added the twist of serial publication. Where will this sentence go? What will it do?! Please, Dom, we can't stand the suspense any longer… |
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Jan-07-07
 | | Domdaniel: <3. The above claim by <H> is, as <Bertrand Russell> might well say, simply silly.>
True. Even if H was a "boozy beggar who could think you under the table", as Monty Python suggests. The great German philosopher in Walter Abish's novel How German is it? has many Heideggerian qualities. I'll stick to my neo-pragmatist line, adapted from Richard Rorty. Philosophy as a family saga, a yarn about Grandpa Plato (an idealist at heart, but he kept a fascist uniform in his closet) and Grandfather Aristotle (great naturalist, liked long country rambles, had some curious ideas about motion) ... and so on down to Cousin Derrida (ageing punk, still acting the rebel). Some younger family members say the accepted yarn is all a bit too male and European - how exactly does this family reproduce? - and point out that we're also related to Kung Fu Tse, Omar Khayyam, Sequoya, Avital Ronell, Hypatia, that wise Korean king who invented the Hangul alphabet, and a lot of miscellaneous mammals. |
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| Jan-07-07 | | chesstoplay: Okay, I admit that I am easily amused...
Domdaniel: The word for today is: I,
the avatar is an amazing eye
and the first responder is Eyal.
It is clear that the "eyes" have it.
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Jan-07-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> After <So I...> I'm planning a line that starts with 'was' and then, if it works, 'living' ... one possible continuation is 'So I was living in the ...' I'll have to run it through the engines first, of course. |
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| Jan-07-07 | | Eyal: <Even if H was a "boozy beggar who could think you under the table", as Monty Python suggests.> Maybe it's worth quoting in full: Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable. Heideggar, Heideggar was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel. And Whittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel. There's nothing Nieizsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
John Stewart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shanty was particularly ill. Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day! Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed. |
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| Jan-07-07 | | danielpi: <Domdaniel> "Sejong" was the king, of whom you spoke. Not nearly on the level a Napoleon or Alexander, but very likely the best ruler that Korea ever had. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <danielpi> That's the guy. To Sejong, then, and his beautiful daughter Mah-jong. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: The word for today is: was |
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