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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> Don't forget <pseudoDionyseus>, <Maimonides>, <Alistair Crowley> (chess lover), <Confucius>, <Siddartha Guatama>, <Frederick the Great>, <Cicero> (Porky Pig's nephew, not the Roman poof), Harry S Truman ("If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of Nagasaki"), <Barney>, <SpongeBobSquarePants>, <David Byrne>, <Condaleeza Rice>(the original Talking Head), and <Yoda> (neo Kitsch religiosity for Muppet lovers). Our Intellectual tradition is rich, varied, and, quite likely, virtually totally erroneous. Which is good. This means there is work for YOU to do sir. I expect <Daniel Pi> to contribute as well. To work, gentlemen.
Jess (I like to watch so I'm off the hook). |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: PS. I'll believe there is such thing as an <intertext> as soon as someone can bag it and produce the corpse. Same standard of proof as for <Bigfoot> So there.
Missing quote from PostStructuralist paradigm: "Epistemology? What Epistemology?" |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Remember, <The Burden of Proof is on the Claims Adjuster>. Just a reminder. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: <The word for today is: was> Maybe in the near distant future you could have a live phone in poll to choose the next word. Ant and Dec could present it, or something. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> - <Maybe in the near distant future you could have a live phone in poll to choose the next word.> Maybe. But let's have a nice orderly intro/opening first. None of your fancy St-George-and-the-Dragon metafictional metastrategies here. Or polyphonic irruptions like <So I was living in one room in <hey, readerkins, I shagged him> in, in <who said that? where was I?> - oh, never mind where I was, I'm just a device anyways...> Classic realism, that's the thing. Just wait until the footnote forums start up... |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: Everything in this forum is hereby deemed to be a work of art under the terms and conditions of the Duchamp Act, 2007. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Is the <Duchamp Act> similar to the <Stamp Act>? "No hanging toilet urinals in museums without representation" could start another War of Independence, no? |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> I didn't forget Confucius -- I just didn't call him by that latinized Roman poof name, is all... |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Dang. My bad. I don't speak Mandarin or Cantonese, and don't plan to learn, even though, as Monty Python put it, <The Chinese are now three deep!> |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: Jess - Monty P spoke the truth. In Mao's latter years he was often mysteriously unavailable to meet visiting dignitaries. The usual mundane and paranoid reasons - illness, madness, death - were suggested by China-watchers. The truth was China's population was already three times the official figure, but a strict rota system ensured that two-thirds of them were stored underground at any given time. Mao was just taking his turn on bunker duty. As somebody - Robert Ashley, maybe? - put it: <Why hasn't Chineseness spread?> |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: LMAO <stored undergroud> |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: In defence of the Chairman--
While wintering in tbe mountains with his peasant army, Mao wrote: <There is great chaos under Heaven, and the situation is excellent> The madman, if nothing else, could certainly turn a phrase... |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: All right <Dom>. There's been a lot of discussion here recently about the creative process, writing techniques, etc., and I thought I'd chuck something out here. My main man - above even Ruskin, Breton, Dylan, Pushkin, Suttles or Tony Hancock - is a chap by the name of Robert Pollard. He used to be lead singer of a vaguely well-known American band called Guided By Voices. (Heard of 'em?). Now, it's possible that there's never been a more prolific songwriter than Uncle Bob, he has released dozens upon dozens upon dozens of albums, EPs, boxsets etc under a variety of monikers. In total, he's written around 5,000 songs - and those are just the ones we know about. More tapes than you could possibly imagine, all jam-packed with unreleased material reside in his basement. Now - and this is the bit I'm interested in - Bob's songwriting technique is fascinating. He has always written his titles first, and will write down reams and reams of these potential titles before writing a single lyric, then chooses which ones to flesh out into full songs. As such, there are some brilliant titles in the GBV/Pollard canon. To name but a few: 158 Years Of Beautiful Sex
Cut-Out Witch
Tractor Rape Chain
Unbaited Vicar Of Scorched Earth
Wondering Boy Poet
Psychic Pilot Clocks Out
Supernatural Car Lover
Love Is Stronger Than Witchcraft
Bomb In The Beehive
Game Of Pricks
A Salty Salute
Cigarette Tricks
Big Chief Chinese Restaurant
My Valuable Hunting Knife
The Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory
You get the idea. I spoke to my dad about this technique, and he said that it was 'delightfully Dada... but nevertheless, quite worrying really'. Ultimately, he disapproved strongly, saying that it's not how stuff should be written. Of course, I've since taken it up myself for my poetry. At present, I have a page with about 350 potential poem titles on, and I find it highly liberating. I can scan the page, and I get the feeling that I *must* give a certain title 'personality', so to speak. It's resulted in a period of unpredecented productivity. So whaddya think - a force for good or evil? Or both? |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <mack> not sure about the "good or evil" thing, but there's another Bob who has used the "title down" technique... Dylan used it to write "Just Like Tom Thumb Blues" and "Desolation Row." So at least you're in good company.
I'm Jess, pleased to meet you. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Hello <jfq>. From a quick glance at your profile I see that your primary interests are chess and men. Lordy, we're very similar people. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: So then we both love <chessmen>? Is <Staunton> your favorite? Heh. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: It's a laugh a minute around these parts, eh. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Mack> Yep, you have to love <Dom's> forum alright, especially if you're into the esoteric and arcane. Sometimes it gets cluttered with quite brilliant chess analysis, but usually it dies down in favor of hyperintellectual swordplay. <Dom> you remind me of <Miles N'aGopaleen> so much... still hoping you'll resend your piece so I can read your writing--when you get the time I'll reply with comments and my piece on <God the Bookmaker>. Apologies again for disappearing for over a month and losing your piece, I'll not disappear like that again. Jess |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Incidentally, other comedians who play chess include Stephen Fry, Richard Herring (hack, spit), Chris Morris and Graham Linehan. Clive Anderson too, but it would be overly generous to call him a comedian, wouldn't it. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Frankly, calling Richard Herring a comedian these days is a bit generous too. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Oh, a force for good, certainly. I tend to the same kind of manic overproduction (overprotection? hmm...) at times. Somebody was looking for a name for a magazine once and I presented them with a list of 1000 names: insect lust, devoid media, Prudence, Lot in Sodom, You Vomit (and I'll sing it), und so weiter. My current list of working titles - for *something*, eventually - includes: Domestic Data, Dictionary Dreams.
Metaphor's Rubber Calf.
Lethal Me.
Mostly rubbish, of course. But one or two still resonate years later, having accrued more meanings along the way. I find the Burroughs cutup technique the same: 99% of what's produced is garbage (and only WSB himself could have got away with printing all of it) - but every so often a gem emerges. I used some random method to produce the line "We cannot become like him in his stagnant self" - which <I think> is better than anything I could have produced with the lights on. You were right earlier: there's a great chessically inspired book waiting to be written, and the Nickelodeon is one possible route in. Damned if I'm going to write to 3000 crazed kibitzers for permits, though. Keep it up. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Mack> I'm assuming you reside in the UK? The problem with most comedy, in my view, is that it isn't funny. The stand up genre is very, very difficult to do well. Much easier to write half hour shows, such as <The Young Ones> or any of <Ben Elton's> many, many efforts in that field. Not to mention <John Cleese's> writing in <Fawlty Towers>... I live in Canada but we have access to American Public Television, which is devoted to replaying every British TV show ever made, apparently... Jess |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> & <mack> I'm currently retyping a short story I once wrote, Entropanto. Retyping is necessary as the original computer suffered a horrible accident, and the only copy of the text that I have is in an actual Gollancz book. And I don't have a scanner or text reader smart enough for such tasks. I'm resisting the temptation to edit it -- but I'll send it to both of you when it's done. There's a German translation of it out there too, but I've never seen it. |
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Jan-08-07
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> If Graham Linehan plays chess then I'm the real author of Father Ted. Actually, now that you mention it... |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: <jess>
Yes, UK born and inbred.
The current state of British comedy makes me angrier than anything. We've got to a stage where godawful bollocks such as 'Green Wing' (it makes ill just typing it, if I'm honest) is held up as something truly innovative and worthy of praise. It makes me very sad indeed. I'm currently working on a small book about the 'Derek & Clive - Live' album, and rather unavoidably it's turned into a long old rant about how Peter Cook had more wit in half his index finger than every single tosser who's written anything for Channel 4 in the past five years combined. Stand up is the most awful of genres to master. I've done it a few times, and with some success it has to be said, but in the end there was only so many times I could bring myself to tell a long story about wanking over Reuben Fine to a poorly-ventilated room full of strangers. I stick to reading poetry now, as you'll always get a polite ripple of applause at the end to make you feel good about yourself. The idea that it is somehow 'easier' to write half-hour shows, though... hmm. Get the audience on your side and it's infinitely easier to do half an hour of stand up. In fact, it is a mark of truly brilliant writing that it makes it look like the easiest thing in the world to have done, when in fact the opposite is true. Every episode of Fawlty Towers, for example, flows so bloody well that you get the impression that Cleese & Connie were just making it as they went along. In truth, it was painstakingly constructed. So not sure if I agree with you there! <Dom> Interesting thoughts, as ever. What do you make of the few samples of Pollard titles I presented there? |
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