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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> Can't wait for your <Entropanto>, thanks for taking the time to type it up by hand. Though I think a fellow such as yourself should have an assitant, or a valet at the least. Good lord, man, to paraphrase <Scotty from Star Trek>: "You're a writer, not a sanitary napkin!"
I saw the entire <Father Ted> series and I regard it to be a masterpiece. Here's my foray into writing ad copy:
"If you don't like <Father Ted> you're a pillock" |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: <If Graham Linehan plays chess then I'm the real author of Father Ted. Actually, now that you mention it...> Graham has mentioned to me a couple of times that he plays. Dunno how much though. Oh god, you're making me paranoid that all this time I've been talking to Arthur Mathews... |
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Jan-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Mack>
I've done standup as well, and will again. I think you're correct about the half hour format--I meant that it's easier to make that format funny precisely because you get a unitary ongoing premise to work within, and more time to craft something worth viewing. I've gotten more laughs in my "entertainment" career/hobby with set pieces I read from the stage (in the vein of <Spalding Grey> (RIP) than I have with my stand up pieces. Re <Bob>:
<The Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory> is such a brilliant construction that I think it can stand by itself-- It doesn't need the song to back it up, though I'm sure the song is great. Can I find these songs on <Limewire>? I'm going to have a look. Do you know a site that offers the actual music if I can't find them? Jess |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Most probably you find a good deal of GBV/Pollard on Limewire and the various other illegal filesharing networks, yes. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: <<The Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory> is such a brilliant construction that I think it can stand by itself-- It doesn't need the song to back it up,> Gosh, now this is an interesting concept - titles that are so good that they can stand alone. You have untitled songs, untitled poems, untitled art - why not titles without a body? |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Oh, almost forgot: yes, I'd love to see a bit of the old Entropanto. Just found your definition after a brief bit of googling and I feel I may have to start slipping it into day-to-day conversation. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | Eyal: <potential titles> Even when not THE primary moving force, the choice of a title seems almost always to be an important part of the creative process, bringing into sharper focus what the text is supposed to be about. It's usually fascinating to contemplate documented alternative titles that authors were playing with. For example, Charles Dickens jotted down 14 possible titles for the serial novel he was planning to start early in 1854: <According to Cocker>, <Prove It>, <Stubborn Things>, <The Grindstone>, <Two and Two are Four>, <Something Tangible>, <Our Hard-hearted Friend>, <Rust and Dust>, <Simple Arithmetic>, <A Matter of Calculation>, <A Mere Question of Figures>, <Mr Gradgrind's Facts>, <The Gradgrind Philosophy>, and <Hard Times>. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: Fascinating; I dimly recall seeing that list about five years ago. Had forgotten all about it. Of those fourteen, Hard Times is arguably the least interesting title. Not the biggest Dickens fan, if I'm honest. |
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| Jan-08-07 | | mack: <jess> A word of warning - I've just been informed that Goldheart... was recently covered by dire American rockers 'Trail of the Dead', or something like that. Having listened to their version I can imagine it putting you off for life- make sure you get hold of the original! |
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Jan-09-07
 | | Domdaniel: The word for the day is: living |
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| Jan-09-07 | | Eyal: <After <So I...> I'm planning a line that starts with 'was' and then, if it works, 'living' ... one possible continuation is 'So I was living in the ...' I'll have to run it through the engines first, of course.> So I gather you're at a crucial crossroads now with your narrative (anyway, don't give away more words in advance!).<During the rational, optimistic periods you plan out elaborate sentences and delicately slot them into place -- a bit like playing correspondence chess. You don't mind having to write 'if' on Monday and 'the' on Tuesday, because you know there's plenty of time...Then come the darker periods. Bending the rules with huge compound verb-nouns, fantastic polysemes struggling to contain themselves. "Let's make meaning!" you cry as you crack up, poluphloisboiotatotically. Then the really dark period. The Work continues, but you write '@#$%' 245 times in succession before you pull out of the trough...> I hope those darker periods would come soon, they sound more interesting... |
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Jan-09-07
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> A sort of Euclidean diagram of small-world themes... no idea how many dimensions it contains... In the 1980s, when I lived mostly in Dublin - well, I suppose you could *call* it living - there were two magazines, In Dublin and Hot Press (London equivalents, loosely: Time Out and NME). One year each of them had an Xmas competition. I won both (as a student, and not having written for either of them yet). The InDub comp was based on our old chum, alphabetical wordplay. They wanted a 52-word mini-story with a seasonal theme, words starting with A, B, C... up to Z, back down to A. My entry began "'Ah, begorrah, Christmas doesn't even fool God', he intoned, Jesus-kissing..." and included ..."Wilberforce vaulted up the stairs" ... and ended "Christ. Booze. Alcohol." Ho hum. I think they gave me a tenner. They had another comp as well, for a four-line poem, and that might've won another fiver. They paid, anyhow. I was a pro. The Hot Press comp wanted alternate titles for the Derek and Clive album that apeeared in a sick bag. I gave them 13 suggestions... including In Vino Vomitas, Lure of the Liquid Laugh, Music From Big Spit, Two Dry Retches, Heave 2, You Vomit and I'll Sing It... and I never got my prize. The bleeders blamed a postal strike, or summat. This implanted a tiny bias in my mind between the two zines, which meant that five years later I became film critic for In Dublin. Hot Press had to make do with Graham Linehan. So we spent a few years on the film circuit, nipping back and forth to London to ask Mel Gibson silly questions. We both interviewed Cleese once, but Graham must have been paying more attention. A snippet from this era. When the 2nd Naked Gun movie came out in 1991, the film company flew in the producer, director, various stars like Leslie Nielsen, Priscilla Presley, et al, et al's wife and kids. One of the few press conferences I've seen with more people on the celeb end of the microphones. They brought in everyone, in fact, *except* OJ Simpson -- reasoning that, as a star of some unknown American sport, he'd mean nothing to the folks in Yurp. Which was true, at the time. I can't even say, btw, that my initial impression re which of the two zines was a better bet cash-wise was accurate. HP is still surviving, still run by its founder, still doling out pittances to young folk wanting a leg up (and over) in the media world. InDub, by contrast, went serially bankrupt every year or two, owing me a few thousand quid each time. Then the new owner would lure me back, without paying. Eventually I got seduced away by Rupert, guessing that NewsInt probably won't go bust over the amount it takes to feed a critic and his habits. It's much less fun, though. Actually the Euclidean diagram is even more twisted than this, but that's quite enough resonances for now. It also reduces the number of people I might reasonably be to roughly zero point seven, and that's no territory for a Pynchonian. |
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Jan-09-07
 | | Domdaniel: PS. I've heard of Guided By Voices, but the emphasis is on <of>. Will investigate further, naturally. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | JDK: <Mack> I remember Tractor Rape Chain and The Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory from Bee Thousand. Now that you've said that they write the song titles first, it makes sense. 30 seconds for a song? I'm used to 20 minute Biosphere epics! :-) Reminds me slightly though of They Might Be Giants (early stuff). 'Godhead' by Nitzer Ebb still rates quite highly in the lyric content for me. |
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Jan-09-07
 | | Domdaniel: Did I actually write this? <apeeared in a sick bag> ??
When you talk dirty, you spell dirty. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | mack: <JDK> Bee Thousand is a modern masterpiece, no two ways about it. It should find its way onto the national curriculum, along with John Ruskin's Stones of Venice. That's all kids need. I mean honestly, how can one album include I Am Scientist, Buzzards And Dreadful Crows, Queen of Cans and Jars, Kicker of Elves, Hot Freaks, Echos Myron, Smothered In Hugs... you're right about the song length, too. Demons Are Real is the most epic 48 second song that's ever existed. Not sure about the TMBG comparison though. They're another one of my bands, but the two are only similar in that they're both really... well, weird. Have you ever heard 'Fingertips', which is about thirty ten second songs shoved together? Ahem, sorry <Dom>. This is your pad and I'll play by your rules. It's all relevant, though: just to make matters even more confusing, the person who first introduced me to GBV was... that's right, Graham Linehan. Your wicked web of coincidence is really quite startling. 'You Vomit & I'll Sing It' is a must-use title is ever I saw one. I was going to ask you about Mssrs. Derek & Clive actually, seeing how you're au fait with the finer parts of British comedy. Never lend any of the albums to an American is a lesson I've learnt, unless you want to them suddenly lose all respect for you and cut off all contact. Which I suppose you might want to do with Americans. Euclid, eh. I thought Lehrer covered the Elements far more efficiently. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | mack: <Did I actually write this?> Apeears so. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | mack: <They're another one of my bands> See, we're all guilty of stupid mistakes. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | JDK: <Mack> I probably have fingertips at home somewhere. I'll have to check it out. Most people who listen to my music collection get a little worried as to my sanity as it is not your normal stuff. I.e. you won't find any Beyonce, Razorlight etc. More stuff like Neubauten, Newlydeads, Aphex Twin, etc. <Dom> How about 'Chunder and Lightening' for your sick bag list? |
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| Jan-09-07 | | mack: <JDK> Do you think it's actually possible to come up with a worse name for a band than Razorlight? |
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| Jan-09-07 | | mack: Apart from Taghairm, of course. |
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Jan-09-07
 | | Domdaniel: Got to have my say on titles, too, haven't I? I'll stick to a few of the folks I know best. Pynchon seems to be actually, well, crap at titles. He wanted to call Gravity's Rainbow 'Mindless Pleasures'. Scott Walker partly dispensed with song titles on Climate of Hunter, using 'track 3' and 'track 7' etc instead. Odd. Some people think that William Burroughs invented the term 'heavy metal'. In fact it was used much earlier by Nimzowitsch. John Cale sometimes uses titles from movies -- Cable Hogue, Things (to do in Denver when you're Dead) -- for songs that have no other connection with the movie. Mark Leyner (My Cousin, My Gastroenterologist; I Smell Esther Williams) gives good title. As does Captain Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica, Ice Cream for Crow, Doc at the Radar Station, Bat Chain Puller. Long titles? Musical ones include 'Ten Man Mop, or Mister Reservoir Butler Rides Again'. Short titles? Most years from 1984 (Orwell), 1985 (Burgess) ... 1999 (Prince) ... 2001 (Kubrick) to ... 2010 (Clarke) have been used. Some gaps, though. Christine Brooke-Rose (Out; Such; Between; Thru) deserves a mention. And another one for Xorandor, Amalgamemnon, and Verbivore. Has every letter of the alphabet been used as a title? Warhol used 'a'; 'V' has been used at least twice, by Pynchon and the lizard guy. Berger used 'G', Perec 'W'. I'm sure X and Q and Z are gone, too. And K. Maybe not 'L'. One advantage of a neologism for a title is that all googles lead back to you. Or else to all the other people who invented the same word, as happened when I tried using 'Neuropa'. Win some, lose some. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | JDK: I'm sure there are worse band names. It is hard to think of them though One True Voice springs to mind. Remember them? It all depends on what you'd think a good band name is :-) 'slick idiot' I always thought was a good band name. Narcoleptic Goldfish would be my idea of a good pub band name. |
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| Jan-09-07 | | JDK: <Dom> by the time I write this there will be 12 more posts to your forum. The long track name I have come across is Type O Negatives :- The Glorious Liberation Of The People's Technocratic Republic Of Vinnland By The Combined Forces Of The United Territories Of Europa Its track 12 on October Rust.
Unusual track names that are hard to speak...probably anything from Autechre. Windowlicker is an unusual name and an unusual video by Richard D James (aka Aphex Twin). Bands that should have spaces in their names :
lovesliescrushing
(a gothic chillout band on the projekt label)
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| Jan-09-07 | | JDK: <Dom> Neuropa has been around for a while I think. To continue the music connection... Umek :- Neuropa Humbug (from 'Neuro'). |
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