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Feb-08-25
 | | Stonehenge: Perhaps https://www.365chess.com/tournament... but I'm not going to check all players :) |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: I found a proposal for the renaming of various paths within a Montevideo park in honor of four Uruguayan sportsmen. Olivera is one of them, so he was dead by April 2006 (https://montevideo.gub.uy/asl/siste...), when the proposal was first discussed. (In Latin culture, you do not name places in honor of still-living folks. Plus the text about him is in past tense!) I'm still poking around, looking for the date. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: <stonehenge> Good trick... to look for senior tournaments. Maybe we should ban those? (Also, the premise was that they need to be in this database.) Sorry to be picky... just trying to have some fun! |
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Feb-08-25
 | | jnpope: Reggio Emilia (1962/63) is a contender (no data on
Claus Fleischmann) |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: <jnpope> Mysterious Fleischmann... the only tournament of his life, and a disaster... The tournament "loses" to Buenos Aires (1964) though. I posted that one below, but then I posted too much! |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Stonehenge: Kick Langeweg is still alive and er... kicking BTW. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | jnpope: 5th Correspondence World Championship (1965) Presuming Arne Ericson is gone as his bio mentions him in the past tense. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: <jnpope> Hmmm... 106 is very, very old. Not impossible, and there are almost 90,000 centenarians in Europe. But of course the odds are against Ericson (also, the large majority of those centenarians are women, and also younger than 106). I'd say, let's accept the assumption. (I am not persuaded by the bio, btw... the editor may have just assumed he is dead.) I think we need a Swedish-speaker user to take a little dive into the web and see if there is any evidence of death somewhere... Maybe <moro> or <Troller> can read Swedish? Aren't Swedish and Danish as close as Spanish and Portuguese? |
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Feb-08-25
 | | jnpope: Asztalos Memorial (1966) |
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Feb-08-25
 | | jnpope: Pro-tip: search tournaments with a lot of Eastern Bloc participants, they tended to be heavy smokers. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: <jnpope: Pro-tip: search tournaments with a lot of Eastern Bloc participants, they tended to be heavy smokers.> lol... sure, but among the players in that one tournament, only two died relatively young (age 50 and 51), while the other ones lived long lives, including the very long-lived Lilienthal and Paoli. OK, then, Asztalos Memorial (1966) is in the lead now. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | moronovich: <Aren't Swedish and Danish as close as Spanish and Portuguese?> For shure they are. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: This tournament does not qualify, but it's a close enough example of <jnpope>'s approach: From the players at October Revolution 50 (1967), the one player not from a Communist country (Westerinen) is alive (80 years old), although Hort (81) also is. The other 16 are gone. I say <Communist country> instead of <Eastern bloc> to include Cuban Jimenez. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: Almost Sarajevo (1967). Vukic (age 82) is the only survivor of this 16-player round robin. |
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Feb-08-25
 | | Fusilli: Man, I can't beat the Asztalos Memorial (1966). And, for the first time in a long time, I feel I have spent too much time on chessgames.com (better than wasting time on Instagram though). So, calling it a day... although I will check in later to see if someone found a more recent tournament of the departed. |
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| Feb-09-25 | | areknames: <I think we need a Swedish-speaker user to take a little dive into the web and see if there is any evidence of death somewhere...> I've tried for a while now, no success. All the more strange, considering Ericson is a highly unusual spelling of the surname for someone born in 1918. Ericsson and of course Eriksson are normal. <Aren't Swedish and Danish as close as Spanish and Portuguese?> More close, I'd say. Native Swedish and Danish speakers can understand each other fairly effortlessly, is that the case for Spanish and Portuguese? |
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Feb-09-25
 | | Stonehenge: It's easiest to find tournaments here:
Tournament Index For example: Venice (1967). Enough from me already. I'll let others do the work :) |
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| Feb-09-25 | | areknames: <For example: Venice (1967).> Yes! The tournament where the old Master Remo Calapso managed to draw against the reigning WC. Seems we have a new front-runner. |
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Feb-09-25
 | | Fusilli: <areknames> <Native Swedish and Danish speakers can understand each other fairly effortlessly, is that the case for Spanish and Portuguese?> In my experience, Portuguese-speaking folks understand Spanish-speaking folks better than the other way around. I find Brazilians from Rio not so easy to understand, and definitely not if they speak fast. Those from Sao Paulo are easier to understand for me. But Brazilians seem to have no trouble understanding us Argentinians. Not sure why that is... maybe the pronunciation of some letter combinations in Portuguese defies what Spanish ears consider "natural"... if that makes sense. |
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Feb-09-25
 | | Fusilli: Speaking of Danish and Swedish, my wife and I are well into the second season of the Danish/Swedish show Bron/Broen (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1733785/) on Apple TV+. I fully recommend it! It's a police drama with good touches of humor. |
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Feb-09-25
 | | Fusilli: <Stonehenge: It's easiest to find tournaments here: Tournament Index>
Thank you for that reminder.
This exercise is making me realize that this database is probably full of ghosts... players who are dead but for whom there is no date of death. I think I am going to devote some of my volunteer efforts to track some old Argentine players. |
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| Feb-09-25 | | areknames: <Fusilli> Eh, as a native Italian speaker it's relatively easy for me to understand Spanish if spoken slowly. Furthermore, I understand Portuguese better than I do the Neapolitan dialect ;) |
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Feb-10-25
 | | Troller: I did some quick searches as well with no success on <Arne Ericson>. As mentioned by <areknames> the spelling is so strange one wonders if he really was named e.g. <Ericsson>. I am Danish and not member of a Swedish chess club, so I do not have access to <Tidskrift för Schack> which otherwise might be a good place to search:
https://tidskriftfor.schack.se/ |
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Feb-10-25
 | | Stonehenge: You'll need this link: https://schack.se/forbundet/tfs/ark... or <"arne ericson" site:https://schack.se/> I get 29 results with that search. |
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Feb-10-25
 | | Fusilli: <arek> <stone> <Troller> Thanks for your efforts, team! In the meantime, I found out and filled in dates of death for Uruguayan Alfredo Olivera, and the Argentines Lauro Varas and Carlos Eleodoro Juarez. I also found out that a number of other old Argentine players are indeed alive and kicking. In my spare time, I'll keep checking on Spanish-speaking old players' bios. |
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