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Mar-18-17
 | | saffuna: <ocf> I have read little about the JFK assassination but did read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Dumb title aside, I thought it was excellent. Your opinion?
I agree the Garrisons and Mark Lanes are charlatans. |
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Mar-18-17
 | | OhioChessFan: Case Closed is great. It's flawed, but still an indispensable work. In particular, its discussion of conspiracy theories in general is very enlightening. I didn't realize that nearly all conspiracy theories are essentially the same template with a few differences thrown in. In any case, that was the book that flipped me from believing in conspiracy to believing it was Oswald alone. Reclaiming History by Vince Bugliosi is a few million pages long, but worth the read. |
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| Mar-18-17 | | diceman: <OhioChessFan:
Reclaiming History by Vince Bugliosi is a few million pages long, but worth the read.> Did you see the Bugliosi/Spence Trial? |
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Mar-18-17
| | OhioChessFan: Yes. The cross examination is a foundational way of discovering truth. Spence was smart enough not to put the dingbat Jean Hill on the stand. For the most part, it's a heart issue, not a mind issue, that keeps people from believing the obvious. I just saw a Posner video where he's asked why 60% of people believe in a conspiracy. He answered that he's surprised it's not 90%. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Big Pawn: <OCF: For the most part, it's a heart issue, not a mind issue, that keeps people from believing the obvious.> We've talked about this before, especially in the context of theism vs atheism debates, and we agree. However, I do think that when we see an example of someone refusing to believe the obvious, what we actually see is them believing the obvious (how can't you?) but refusing to *submit* to it. Pride always rebels against authority and Truth is the authority, so anyone who operates primarily out of a position of pride (or feelings in general) will refuse to *submit*. Another way to think of the word "submit" is repent. |
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Mar-19-17
| | saffuna: "Case Closed" was excellent and very thorough in my opinion. I particularly liked the way he demolished Jim Garrison. I remmeber when he was making all those charges and he so obviously had nothing at all. As I remember, Posner thought the evidence it was Oswald alone was overwhelming, but during the Warren Commission investigation the CIA was so devious it made people think something else had happened. I see it costs $10 on Kindle. Maybe I'll buy it to have it available for checking at any time. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: I'm sure JFK was murdered not by a lone gunman but by an organized conspiracy to murder him that may have been coordinated by The CIA & The Mafia. There's no way Oswald could have fired that many rounds that quickly with that cheap piece of sh*% rifle. Jesse Ventura who was a showbiz wrestler to a showboat Governor but was also a Navy Seal simulated the supposed shooting from the book depository. Here's a clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSW... |
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Mar-19-17
| | OhioChessFan: Why would the conspirators give Oswald a cheap rifle? If he was framed, why did they frame him with a cheap rifle? If they had to frame him with a cheap rifle because that is the only one he owned, why didn't they create paperwork to prove he owned a high quality rifle? Okay, I've run of of possible objections. I'll have a look at the Ventura video later, but it wasn't that tough to do. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | diceman: <OhioChessFan:
Okay, I've run of of possible objections.> The rifle "can" be fired that fast. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: <diceman: <OhioChessFan:
Okay, I've run of of possible objections.> The rifle "can" be fired that fast.> Who by you Chickenhawk! |
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| Mar-19-17 | | YouRang: Oswald did it, but the CIA furnished him with the magic bullets. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | YouRang: More seriously, I always thought that the most suspicious thing about it was that they paraded JFK around in that convertible in such an unsecurable area.. But ineptitude is always a far more likely explanation for things like this than widespread conspiracies. I'm sure I haven't investigated the matter as much as <OCF>, but I find the lone gunman explanation to be the most credible. No conspiracy would have been planned like that, including Oswald being killed by Ruby while surrounded by Dallas police. Were the police in on it also? |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: Here's an interesting clip with Jack Ruby & Lyndon Johnson speaking on the JFK assassination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1... |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, Nixon's Rat, speaks on his deathbed about the Kennedy assassination. This tape has been edited down, the original was about 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFA... |
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| Mar-19-17 | | diceman: <Travis Bickle: <diceman: <OhioChessFan: Okay, I've run of of possible objections.> The rifle "can" be fired that fast.> Who by you Chickenhawk!>I was thinking Hillary/Obama.
Lots of gun "practice" in Chicago! |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: <diceman> Drop by the windy city I'll show you how to shoot... ; P |
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| Mar-19-17 | | diceman: Funny no one looks at it the other way.
One shot out of 3 probably killed the President. Oswald was 33% "accurate."Oswald came close to "not" killing Kennedy.
Had JFK (or his wife) had the presence of mind to get him down in the seat, he may have made it.
(don't know if the throat wound would have killed him on the way to the hospital) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcj... |
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| Mar-19-17 | | diceman: <Travis Bickle: <diceman> Drop by the windy city I'll show you how to shoot... > Dont worry Trav, I know "chickenhawks"
who could turn you into a screen door.
We could have beer.
(as long as they have a mop available) |
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| Mar-19-17 | | diceman: <Travis Bickle: <diceman: Dont worry Trav, I know "chickenhawks" who could turn you into a screen door.> What are you pals mercenary's or CIA? LOL! You're full of B.S.> What's hilarious Trav is how upside down your fruitcake is. You support the party of gender neutrality as you pretend to
be a tough guy.
Heh, heh, lil jiff supports the party you do!
(maybe Trav “shoots” to Blake poems)
You wave the red/white/blue flag of America, as you support
the party of fascism, communism, Marxism. |
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Mar-19-17
| | OhioChessFan: Let's settle down on the personal attacks. |
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| Mar-19-17 | | Travis Bickle: Ohio, I apologize for my rage on your forum. Would you please delete my angry posts. Thanks. |
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Mar-19-17
| | OhioChessFan: It doesn't bother me a whole lot so I have no lingering concerns. It's just something I prefer not to happen here. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | diceman: At the end of the day you're all right Trav.
Who else posts Black Sabbath on a regular basis? |
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Mar-21-17
| | OhioChessFan: Anyone else notice there were about 25 posts total in all the forums in the past week? |
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| Mar-21-17 | | YouRang: <OhioChessFan: Anyone else notice there were about 25 posts total in all the forums in the past week?> I did notice that yesterday, I posted something in <pgp>'s forum early in the day, and when I checked in later that evening, I was surprised that my post was still the latest one. I wondered if the site had gone down for most of the day. If not, then I think I may have set some kind of record! |
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