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| Jan-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: On the subject, I've been reading baseball stuff recently, and wondered what are the key points revealed by analytics since Bill James started it all in the 80s. Here are what I think are the basic discoveries:
1. The park a player plays in has a huge effect on his production. 2. Giving up outs to gain bases (one-run strategies, "productive outs") are usually a bad idea. 3. Walks are important, and depend on the batter as much as the pitcher. Batters are not simply the recipients of gifts from bad pitchers. 4. There are usually young players, either in the majors or the minors, who can replace established players over 30. I'm sure I'm missing a couple but most newer ideas come from those four. |
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| Jan-15-16 | | thegoodanarchist: < Jim Bartle: ...
2. Giving up outs to gain bases (one-run strategies, "productive outs") are usually a bad idea.> I've always thought that - ever since I watched my brother play organized baseball when we were kids. With only 3 outs until a team's at bat is over, it seemed incredibly wasteful to sacrifice. And even before Bill James, I read in Time magazine [yes, Time!] that statistical analysis showed base stealing was only productive if you were successful more than two thirds of the time, and yet MLB was only successful two thirds of the time. Finally, Billy Beane came along and applied intellectualism to baseball, and started a revolution. |
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| Jan-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: Beane certainly advanced things, but he made plenty of big errors as well. One thing is that he seems to think hitters can always learn to become more selective hitters, and walk more and get better pitches to hit. Miguel Tejada was the example of a hitter who refused to learn in "Moneyball." (Never mind that he was MVP that year, with 34 HRs, 108 runs, 131 RBIs. He didn't walk enough!) He never seems to consider that being ready to swing early and often may be necessary to a player being able to hit. Maybe a guy like Tejada simply won't be able to hit as well if he becomes patient and gets more walks. Maybe he can't hit with two strikes. |
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| Jan-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: A major part of "Moneyball" is Beane drafting amateurs in 2002. It was all about taking players with good statistics as opposed to "looking like a ballplayer" or "having the tools." And he was big on taking college players over high school players. This makes some sense--taking high schoolers is a crapshoot. But it's a crapshoot with some potentially big winnings. Here are some results of the 2002 Beane was so pleased with as told in "Moneyball." The A's had five first-round selections, all college players: Nick Swisher, Joe Blanton, Ben Fritz, Jeremy Brown, Mark Teahen. That's one good player, one average pitcher, and three washouts. Meanwhile many high school players were chosen in the first round, and many were washouts. But the HS players taken included Zach Greinke, Prince Fielder and Scott Kazmir (all taken before A's first pick) and Jeff Francoeur, Matt Cain, James Loney, Denard Span and John Mayberry. http://www.baseball-reference.com/d... So yes, taking high school players is risky, but a lot of high school draftees become major league stars. |
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Jan-15-16
 | | WannaBe: Detroit Lions will keep head coach:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1... |
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Jan-16-16
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> The first two point interact in an interesting way: <1. The park a player plays in has a huge effect on his production.2. Giving up outs to gain bases (one-run strategies, "productive outs") are usually a bad idea.> If the parks have such a large influence on offensive performance, wouldn't they also have a dominant effect on strategy as well? "One-run" baseball is obviously a bad idea in Colorado, but might be the best strategy in a pitcher's park like, say, Oakland. What happens too often with statistics is that we forget they show long-term trends rather than guides to specific situations. Over a sufficiently long period of time, they will probably lead to greater success on the whole. But if you want to win <this> year, you have to make do with what you got possibly going against the percentages for the short haul. |
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| Jan-16-16 | | Party Animal: Hey Mr Benoni, you've been awful quiet lately. I think you may be suffering from the winter doldrums. This may cheer you up as MLB spring training will be here before ya know it! On the link below just click on your team & get the inside dope. ; P
http://mlb.mlb.com/springtraining/ |
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| Jan-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: <pb> True. The stadium conditions can have an effect on strategy. Oakland at night is a very tough park to hit homers in. Also, the amount of foul territory is also huge, increasing the number of foul outs. I'll bet there are 120 more foul-outs in Oakland than in Boston in a typical year. |
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Jan-16-16
 | | Phony Benoni: <Party Animal> That rare animal, the Tiger Groundhog, has already made an appearance to proclaim six more weeks of Winter until Spring Training. But in Detroit that time does not pass without our knowing it's here. You know Detroit weather. Chicago Light. |
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Jan-16-16
 | | WannaBe: Are you ready for some fooooooootball!??! |
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| Jan-16-16 | | Party Animal: Phony, have you voted today on The Caissars? ; P |
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Jan-16-16
 | | WannaBe: Holy Batman, you gotta be kidding me. Now don't miss the PAT... |
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| Jan-16-16 | | Golden Executive: Just Un-be-lie-va-ble!! |
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Jan-16-16
 | | WannaBe: Well, the OT ending was rather anti-climatic, in comparison to the way regulation ended with the Hail Mary. |
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| Jan-16-16 | | Golden Executive: Yep, something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMV... |
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Jan-17-16
 | | Phony Benoni: I was quite happy to see Green Bay pull off another Hail Mary. Jim Caldwell received harsh criticism when the Packers pulled it off against the Lions, and could easily have lost his job over it. Turns out it's not so easy to defense as people seem to think. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: Are you ready for some footbaaaaaaaaall!??! |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: Okay, that was quick! 14-0 Panthers already. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: Game Over?! Or another miracle a la Buffalo/Houston game? |
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| Jan-17-16 | | Golden Executive: I remember that game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6p.... |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: Believe it or not, Seattle actually crossed the 50-yard line. It was between first and second quarter when teams changed sides. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | Phony Benoni: Seattle had been crossing the 50-yard line all game long. Going backwards counts. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: I see a small parallel here:
49ers made it to the NFC Championship (lost to Giants) then next year, Super Bowl (lost to Baltimore), then lost the NFC Championship game (Seattle), and then lost their coach. Seattle won Super Bowl (Denver), lost Super Bowl (New England) and now lost in Divisional Round (Carolina), they should be firing P. Carroll after 2017 season. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1... Useless information department:
Next Sunday will be the 17th meeting between Manning & Brady. 4 previous postseason meetings have home team winning, 2-2. Most likely, this will be Manning's last season. And his last chance to win another ring and shut Eli up during holiday family dinners. =)) |
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Jan-17-16
 | | WannaBe: Alright, more trivia time!!!
There are 3 coaches who have won NCAA championship and Super Bowl, can you name them? There is one coach who have won NCAA championship and one National Football Championship (before it was known as Super Bowl) can you name him? |
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