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Jan-24-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Najdorf> possibilities are complex and still not fully explored-- which is why we'll have a lot of fun playing it, if we go that way. Note that <Anand> won with Black <Najdorf> last night!! One more step up the ladder for <Visshy's> Tournament comeback. I like the <Moscow> line myself. It often results in an exchange where we give up Knight for Bishop <a potential edge for us>, and we either keep our king in the center <daring> or castle queenside-- Then we get an open G file which can be very nice if White castles Kingside, plus another pawn supporting our center pawn mass- Also, I've seen <Topalov> take back the black Knight <if the White Moscow Bishop takes> with his g pawn and then Castle Kingside anyway, for a very quick attack on White Kingside if White Castles that way-- |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <The Alchemist> I believe you are right, but I don't know whether the resulting closed position (after 4.Bc4 etc) would be to everybody's taste (perhaps not mine, though of course it is good to be flexible about what kind of position you play). |
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Jan-24-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Another way for White to deviate from the main lines would be 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Nd5 |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: Sorry, my last comment was about the 2 ...Nc6 3.Nc3 line. The posts seem to be coming in thick and fast at the moment. |
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Jan-24-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> I think that a closed position results mostly because White wants so (3.Nc3), not Black. I'm just saying what I think would be best to play in that case, of course we can play something else. |
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Jan-24-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> Don't worry, I understood you. But I'm not sure about everybody else :-) |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: I play <Najdorf> against e4 regularly against 1400-1600 opposition on Yahoo, but I'm definitely not an expert. I'm familiar with the play at that level <C level>. I also know <anand> and <topalov> well when they play either side of <Najdorf>, i'm continuing research there. We can make very good use of the databases here at <chessgames> and I have a good annotated database with plenty of <Najdorfs> and other <Sicilians> on my chess software as well. We have <Hitman>, <Marco> and <Wilson>, all who have achieved <Expert> ratings, to keep us safe in terms of anaylzing tactics. And with Sicilian, tactics come in to play very quickly. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <I like the <Moscow> line myself. It often results in an exchange where we give up Knight for Bishop <a potential edge for us>, and we either keep our king in the center <daring> or castle queenside-- Then we get an open G file which can be very nice if White castles Kingside, plus another pawn supporting our center pawn mass- > That certainly sounds interesting. I also like 3...Nd7 in principle, though I don't know any theory. Could you give us a link to that line? |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Zebra>I play the dragon as well.. <2...Nc6>
If white chooses to play the closed sicillian then we have an extra option of playing an early d5 break. <3.Bb5>
Yes I agree g6 is the best reply and the best way to take advantage of Bb5 is by playing Qb6(Kramnik's move ;) later. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Correction <not the Moscow bishop> My analysis pertains to White's <g5> bishop, rather than <b5> bishop if the latter is played. (See Hitman's FEN diagram)-- In GM play White seems to like playing <Bg5> against <Topalov>. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <hitman> I am with you on the Dragon, if other people are willing to consider it. Otherwise I am leaning more and more towards a Najdorf or similar. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Jess>
<My analysis pertains to White's <g5> bishop>That's a line that's deeply researched by corr. players and certainly a line we need to analyse deeply.
Any sort of help from you would be much appreciated.
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Jan-24-07
| | TheAlchemist: I think we can transpose to the Dragon via 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 if we want. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Zebra>I have analysed many Dragon lines with Rybka. Its playable but the huge amount of resources available is gonna make the game mechanical. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <One more step up the ladder for <Visshy's> Tournament comeback.> <Jess>I actually had that line prepared!
but Vishy's plan was deeper in the middle game. I'd not have taken the white Q allowing white's pawn to f7. Once white loses f7 its all over and that is exactly what happened in the game. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: If white plays Bg5 against <Najdorf> GM play favors either <Be7> or <h6>. If <Be7> White almost never exchanges his bishop for the Knight-- |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <hitman> That is my worry as well, especially in correspondence. My experience tends to be 15 moves theory, another five moves of intense analysis and the game is virtually decided, which is rather a strange feeling. (I am talking mainly about the Yugoslav of course.) But I agree with you the Dragon itself is fine. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | chessmoron: <all> hmm...I see that we're leaning towards 2...Nc6 after Nf3. 3. Bb5 is not that scary. 3...g6 and 3...d6 can all work out. I'm not too familiar with it, though. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Hitman> I'm glad you're on our side. I'll spend today investigating White playing Bg5 then. If it turns out we don't play <najdorf>, or they don't let us, or they don't play Bg5, it's not wasted work. It will help me anyways!! |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: Cool bio :) |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <Jess: Correction <not the Moscow bishop>> OK, now I get it. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Chessmoron>The opening 10 moves is gonna be mechanical so dont worry after that we go Bruce Lee style :) <Jess>Yes, h6 and Be7 are two good alternatives. Good luck with your investigation! |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Zebra> yes it's the g5 White bishop I was talking about. I will work on that today with my databases... I'll supply some pertinent game links later this evening. Could this be more exciting? And they haven't even played their second move yet. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: What's the betting that after all this we get 2.c3 ;) |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Zebra> LOL
If White c3, we shall "proceed with style." I don't think any analysis we do is a waste of time nonetheless. Perhaps one of us should investigate <anti-Sicilian> lines today? I'm going to be working on White Bg5... |
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