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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Alapin>oh.. thanks for reminding.
I'll look into that later..
Good Night everybody! |
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Jan-24-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Good night? You mean you're not going to stay up all night investigating <Alapin lines>? LOL |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: <Jess> I agree with you - have been looking at anti-sicilians, much as I hope they go for a good honest Nf3 and d4. I put a post about 3rd move anti-sicilians a while back. Trying to think about 2nd move deviations too. However I have to do some work now ;) <hitman> :) |
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| Jan-24-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <CG.com> Good luck in your consultation game, guys! All the cool people are in here, so the choice was easy for me regarding which team to support. :) |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <Good night? You mean you're not going to stay up all night investigating <Alapin lines>?> nah, I dont need to stay up all night investigating... I'll just do it in my dream... |
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| Jan-24-07 | | hitman84: <EA>YO! thanks for the support!
We are one cool person short though :) |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Hitman> LOL you are worthy of <Kekule> then who discovered the <benzene ring> configuration in his sleep. Thanks to <Alchemist> for pointing out that <Kekule> was the guy and he did not win a <Nobel Prize>. But he surely would have if the prizes existed at the time of his discovery? I once solved a corner of a NY Times crossword in my sleep- true story. Usually, however, I dream about bunnies and nuclear holocaust, depending on mood... |
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Jan-24-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <EA> Hi! Thanks for your support, we won't let you down. After all, we are defending this whole site's honour. BTW, check out my updated profile at the bottom :-) |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Zebra: Zebra: 2.Nf3 played! So I'm glad I didn't spend the evening worrying about 2.c3... However I have to go now. Look forward to hearing the views of more teammates on the big 2 ...d6 / 2. ...Nc6 debate. See you all tomorrow. |
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Jan-24-07
| | TheAlchemist: All right. At least we avoid some annoying second moves by White. Now we have two days to figure out our next move. I encourage everybody on posting whatever thought they might have, everything may become useful sooner or later. Btw... <Zebra: Zebra: 2.Nf3 played> :-) |
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| Jan-24-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: So <hitman84>, can we expect another Smith-Morra gambit from you? ;) <TheAlchemist> Very cool! But I hope you find more fans to list, otherwise it doesn't look too impressive to only have one fan. :) How have you been by the way? |
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| Jan-24-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <We are one cool person short though :)> <hitman84> I don't think you really want a team with 11 members. After all, 11 is the fool's number, right? :D Anyway, in case one member has to drop out, I would be happy to take his/her place. |
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Jan-24-07
| | TheAlchemist: <EA> Fine, thanks! I just passed one exam on Monday (today I got the results), so I'm all fired up :-). I read you've been doing well yourself. <I don't think you really want a team with 11 members.> We need a goalkeeper :-) <Anyway, in case one member has to drop out, I would be happy to take his/her place.> I'll hold you to that. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> Absolutely not! Sicilian gives the impression that you can mix d6, Nc6, a6, g6, Nf6 moves in a packet and throw them on the board at any order and you always get an existing variation. Actually 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.e5 forces the horrible retreat 7...Ng8 since 7...Nd5 loses more than a pawn: 8.Nxd5 cxd5 9.Qxd5 Rb8 10.e6 threatening 11.Qe5. That's why Dragon with 2...Nc6 can only be played in the accelerated form: 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 but then you allow the Maroczy bind 5.c4. I prefer the classical Dragon, that's why I'll vote 2...d6 if 2.Nf3 is played. We can then decide between Dragon and Najdorf. 2...Nc6 bars both. Congrats to <hitman84> who dares to play two of the most complex lines of Sicilian! I agree that having experience of the line is enough here, and <jessicafischerqueen> seems to have a lot of good material on the Najdorf as well. I have Rogozenko's book on the Sveshnikov of 2005 and I won't spare all my support if 2...Nc6 is chosen, but as I said I would prefer trying something else. |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Marco65: Sorry I just now see that 2.Nf3 was posted. Well, I vote for 2...d6 as said. Going to sleep now, see you tomorrow for more discussions |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Rocafella: The Nadjorf is a sharp(ish) opening which requires a lot of skill to control. However, used correctly it can be a deadly weapon. The question is, do we have Nadjorf experts? I enjoy playing the line but I am far from an expert! Nc3, let's go classical |
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| Jan-24-07 | | Marco65: Just to remind the different possibilities (supposing 3.d4 is played): 2...Nc6 -> Sveshnikov, Kalashnikow, Lowenthal, Classical Sicilian, Paulsen, Accelerated Dragon 2...d6 -> Najdorf, Dragon, Sheveningen, Classical Sicilian 2...e6 -> Kan, Sheveningen, Paulsen, Sveshnikov (via 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bf4 e5 8.Bg5) 2...g6 -> Hyperaccelerated Dragon
2...a6 -> O'Kelly
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| Jan-24-07 | | TTLump: I am currently in a 10 player all-play all tournament against a wide range of opponents (950 - 2150). Out of my 9 games with black, I am in 5 or 6 that are pretty much recognizable as Sicilian, (2 dragons, a Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack and some Closed. I am weak in the openings and must depend very heavily on the opening book reference material, so my comments at this stage will be mostly just a learning opportunity for me (I hope). In three of the games I have retained my c-pawn well into the middle game which is typical of the closed Sicilian is it not? - This is the one I am having the most success with and it seems to offer lots of tactical opportunities in spite of it's sedate sounding name, but I am fairly certain it requires White to co-operate with d3 instead of d4, is this correct? What I find curious is that not a single one of my opponents opened c5 (I always open with 1. e5). |
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| Jan-24-07 | | TTLump: I vote 2... d6 (simply because that is the most common move according the the CG data-base - as <Hitman84> says, it will be fairly mechanical for the first dozen or so moves). |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Still investigating possible future positions regarding a potential White Bb5 here... I think <Marco> is correct- <d6> allows us both <Najdorf> and <Dragon>. So I'm way for <d6> at this point in time. I'm far from a Sicilian expert, but I play <Najdorf> on the Net whenever I get the chance, so I've played it a lot, but against 1400-1600 opposition only, as I said before. Yes, both <Najdorf> and <Dragon> are incredibly tricky openings for <CC>. But given that we are 10, that we have 2 days for each move, and that we all have access to excellent databases of games, I think the liklihood of us blowing a <Najdorf> or <Dragon> in the opening is very slim. I think <Hitman> HIT the nail right on the head-- we'll have to be careful with the first 10 moves for sure, but the choices are not obscure. The tactics after that, however, will be very sharp and we will have to work very hard on tactical lines. That's when I think an organized dividing up of line investigations will be absolutely crucial if we really want to win this game-- And I really want to win. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Why not formally enlist <The Emperor> as an official substitute? It's always good to have a murdered Incan ghost on your side-- you sure don't want him in the enemy's camp. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: PS if we do play d6 I bet one million English Pounds Stirling that they play d4-- Like I said, Sicilian opening choices are not obscure in the early moves. In fact, as <Hitman> pointed out, the moves are <mechanical> in nature, due to the advanced state of <Sicilian> theory. |
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Jan-24-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: BTW <Topalov> is arguably the best Black piece <Najdorf> player ever to use the opening, with perhaps only <Kasparov> as an exception. And there are scads and scads of <Top-Black> Najdorfs in the chessgames.com database... <Anand> is a spectacular <Najdorf> buster with the White pieces, so I'll be concentrating my study time on <Black Top Sicilians> and <White Anand Sicilians>, just to let you all know. |
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| Jan-25-07 | | dakgootje: Emp will be our official mascot! |
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| Jan-25-07 | | Zebra: I am in favour of ..d6 at the moment, with a Najdorf or Scheveningen in mind. I see though that the Dragon is getting more support - that would be perfect for me (also ...d6). I am still in favour of reaching a consensus now on what opening line we are going to aim for rather than simply the next move. For example I wouldn't mind Nc6 with a Classical in mind, but would probably vote against it if there was a Sveshnikov in the pipeline. Of course we can still change our minds as the opening develops. |
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