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| Feb-10-07 | | chessmoron: <Rocafella> Qxd4 after that so it's a move we should consider. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | Rocafella: Losing was a wrong word to use, I just think Qb6 creates a bit too much immediate action |
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Feb-10-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I'm not liking any early Queen exchange myself... Still haven't gotten to any real work on our game today, tho. |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Yeesh I meant Nf6, not Nf3 what a retard I am. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | chessmoron: <jessica> Yes it might exchange queens but I doubt that they will, simply Bd3. Qb6 does create a double pawn for White which is quite weak. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | Swapmeet: I don't think white would opt for the queen exchange. 8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Qxd4 Nxd4
click for larger viewlooks ok for us IMO, with threats on g4 and c2. |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Wilson> interesting... You may well be right. They have played only "quiet" moves so far. And Qb6 more active than Nf6, no doubt. I have to do some actual work first before posting any kind of potentially useful opinion, however. (great game today man, thanks so much!) |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Swapmeet> interesting FEN there. It looks better for Black to my "eye," it's true. They can't defend both pawns as you point out. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | Swapmeet: More likely would be 10.Bd3, which doesn't look like a fun position for us. Maybe I'm wrong but white just looks better with the open h-file. |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: I think we should factor what to do with our Dark Square Bishop, and when, into our ideas sooner rather than later... |
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| Feb-10-07 | | TTLump: The Chessworld Masters collection has 9 games from the current position, 3 for White, 5 for Black and one draw. Most of the games seem to be of high quality, 5 of the games involving at least one player with higher than 2500 rating. In 7 of the games, black played 8...Nf6 (including ALL three of the White wins). In the other two games, Black won with 8...Qb6 and 8...Nge5 One of the most interesting of the lot was the draw, here is the PGN: Nepomniachtchi was rated 2520
Popov was rated 2578
[Event "59th ch-RUS 1st League"]
[Site "Tomsk RUS"]
[Date "2006.09.05"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Nepomniachtchi,I"]
[Black "Popov,Val"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[EventDate "2006.09.03"]
[ECO "B90"]
[MastersGameID "3506629"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bc1 Nc6 8.h3 Nf6 9.f4 e6 10.Be3 d5 11.e5 Nd7 12.Qg4 h5 13.Qg3 g5 14.fxg5 h4 15.Nxc6 bxc6 16.Qf2 Bg7 17.Bd3 Bxe5 18.O-O Qe7 19.Kh1 Bb7 20.Na4 Bg3 21.Qf3 Bd6 22.b4 a5 23.Nc5 Ne5 24.Qe2 Nxd3 25.cxd3 Bc8 26.a3 axb4 27.Qb2 O-O 28.Qxb4 e5 29.Rae1 f5 30.gxf6 Rxf6 31.Rf2 Rxf2 32.Bxf2 Rb8 33.Qd2 Kg7 34.a4 Bf5 35.a5 Kg6 36.Qc2 Rb5 37.Nb3 Qb7 38.Bxh4 Rxb3 39.a6 Bxd3 40.Qd1 Qb4 41.a7 Ra3 42.Qxd3+ Rxd3 43.a8=Q Qxh4 44.Qg8+ Kf5 45.Qf7+ Kg5 46.Qg7+ Kf5 47.Qd7+ Kf4 48.Qf7+ Kg5 49.Qg7+ 1/2-1/2 Here is the link to the game. I don't think this will work for you unless you have a premiums membership on ChessWorld, but if it does work, let me know and I will post the links to the other 8 games. http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <TTLump> The link works perfectly!! Excellent work, man. Please post all the links for us. This is outstanding sir!! |
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Feb-10-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: BTW, the <Nepo-Popov> game is also at <CG.com>, the link is a few posts above in this forum. But I still think you should put links up to all the games you found. I'm sure they are not all here. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | TTLump: From the ChessWorld Master's Game Collection:
0-1 8...Nge5 - Wagman / Gruzman
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 1-0 8...Nf6 - Movsesian / Ftacnik
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 1-0 8...Nf6 - Movsesian / Mas
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 0-1 8...Nf6 - Mihevc / Grosar
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 0-1 8...Nf6 - Pisk / Ruck
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 0-1 10...Nf6 - Winsnes / De Firmian (same position different sequence)
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 1-0 8...Nf6 - Klovans - Gruzmann
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 0-1 8...Qb6 - Aleksieva / Petrenko
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... 1/2-1/2 8...Nf6 - Nepomniachti / Popov
http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc... |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: KK I've played through all the games posted in our forum from our present position. At this point, I now favor 8. ...Qb6 as our most promising of our three candidate moves. <Swapmeet> re: 8. ...Qb6 to 10.Bd3: Here's a game from <TTLump> with a continuation from there: <Alexsieva-Petrenko> 8. ...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3 e6 11.Be3 Qb4 12.Qd2 Ne5 leading to this: 
click for larger viewI like this position- our aggressive active pieces more than compensates for their lead in development. I think the open H file is potentially good for white <Marco> but I think the doubled pawn offsets that <Wilson>. Plus, play through the rest of the game everyone. Black wins. |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Plus, I think <Marco's> right about g6 being a dubious square for our "wandering Knight." And I constitutionally don't like retreating. Even tho my first (instinct) reaction was Nf6. At this point, I'm quite a bit in favor of Qb6. Convince me otherwise!! |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Brief notes on continuation from FEN position <Alexsieva-Petrenko> Black's Queen is very, very active and Cuz of open H file White has to castle long. The Black Queen and a pawn advance makes things VERY awkward for White, whose king is forced to wander all the way over to h2, surrendering loads of tempi... Black trades down easily to a favorable endgame a pawn up, quickly two pawns up and that's it for White. So, Unless I post otherwise,
<Jess votes 8. ...Qb6> I just think we should continue to play the most aggressive moves possible- so long as they are sound-- given how conservative MFO is playing. |
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| Feb-11-07 | | hitman84: <Swapmeet>'s suggestion of Qb6 is very interesting! http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessc...
Thanks for the link <TTLump>
I'll look into this game. |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Put another way-- I think we should play like <rabid Badgers> who have been tutored since they were cubs by <Gary Kasparov> |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: G'day <Hitman> I just finished my evening's analysis here. <Wilson> <Jess> <Swapmeet> so far who are leaning to Qb6. Actually, I've leaned so far that way that I've actually toppled over and voted! |
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| Feb-11-07 | | hitman84: < Swapmeet: I don't think white would opt for the queen exchange. 8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Qxd4 Nxd4 >
Does'nt white lose the g4 pawn ? |
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| Feb-11-07 | | hitman84: Hello <Jess>!
What is the secret of your energy ?
You seem to be omnipresent on Chessgames. |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Hitman> In honor of the <Yeti> link you posted yesterday, and of <TheAlchemist's> interest in the <Patterson Bigfoot> film, I rented the movie <Sasquatch!> to watch tonight. It looks like the worst movie ever made, but I'm gonna watch it just the same!! I'll check in before I hit the sack to see your analysis... look forward to it. Jessamess |
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Feb-11-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <secret of my energy> Well, <methamphetamine>, and plenty of it! Kidding. I'm on coffee a lot. Dunno, yer same age as me, no? You gotta lotta energy yerself, Holmes. |
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| Feb-11-07 | | hitman84: I wonder if <TheAlchemist> has watched the movie ?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076937/
<Jess>People say that I look like a 14 year old and think like a 30 year old. Take the average and you'll get my age :) |
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