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TheAlchemist
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   Dec-24-24 TheAlchemist chessforum
 
TheAlchemist: Thank you, you too!
 
   Dec-09-24 Ding Liren vs D Gukesh, 2024 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: The genius of Ding's play to me was how (except Nb5) he made moves solely on his own half of the board and in 25 moves he completely outplayed Gukesh.
 
   Oct-28-23 D Lazavik vs Wojtaszek, 2023 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: White played a seemingly clever sacrifice, but the refutation on move 25 was simply stunning
 
   May-09-23 M Kolesar vs O Sikorova, 1998 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: <goodevans: Will we have another Milan-based pun tomorrow when its two big football teams face each other in the Champions League Semi-Final? https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl... It's a huge reach, but you could call it even timelier. Unfortunately Slovaks call it ...
 
   Apr-30-23 Nepomniachtchi vs Ding Liren, 2023 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Amazing, what a finish, what a match. Congratulations, Ding!
 
   Nov-08-22 D Citra vs R Vaishali, 2016 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Great pun!
 
   Aug-08-22 European Team Championship (2001)
 
TheAlchemist: I'd have to dig out contemporary magazines to be sure, but I think it said Black simply left the playing hall and never returned, leaving everyone puzzled (teammates included).
 
   Jun-26-22 David Moody (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Terrible news. Rest in peace, PB.
 
   Oct-17-21 Keres vs A Sakovski, 1936 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: I also forgot to add that both of those are masculine forms, the feminine one would be "šahistka". I was a bit too fast with the reply.
 
   May-25-21 A Ilyin vs A Model, 1932 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: <OCF> Zheneral?
 
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Feb-11-07  hitman84: <methamphetamine>These kinda drugs played a part in evolution of the brain. You seem to have a very good retentive memory, I guess you are on nootropics ;) Coffee is always good but I prefer Tea!

Feb-11-07
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  jessicafischerqueen: KK <Hitman> just finished watching <Sasquatch>. It's not as bad as I expected, but I expected -10. The style owes more than a little to <The Blair Witch Project> but it's vastly inferior to the Witch film. However, if you love Sasquatches....

My review? <For Sasquatch lovers only>

Mebbe <Captain> would like it.

<tea> Yes, as a fellow <Commonwealther> I realize I should be quaffing tea as well, but unfortunately it contains <tannin> which makes me Ralph (upchuck)-- literally.

We both is 22, I membered from yer profile.

Feb-11-07
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  TheAlchemist: What's with all the sasquatch films? I'm not that kind of an addict :-)
Feb-11-07
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  TheAlchemist: All right, if we choose 8...Qb6, it will likely continue 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3:


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I don't like this as much as the position resulting from 8.f3 Qb6 9.fxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3, because there White doesn't have the immediate Be3, driving our Queen back, and Black could play 10...e6 and 11..Qb6 without a problem. Here, after 10...e6 11.Be3 Qb4 and I don't like having wasted so many moves with the Queen, we are behind in development. While if we try 10...Qb6 11.Nd5 drives us back.

Although, rules are meant to be broken, right? After 8.h3 Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3 e6 11.Be3 Qb4 12.Qd2 Ne5 13.f3 Bd7 14.O-O-O Rc8 (from the aforementioned <Aleksieva-Petrenko>, which I've added to my profile), Black looks OK:


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Feb-11-07  hitman84: Back to game LOL!

Our king will be in the center while we attack. I'll wade through some Kasparov games and see what I can find.

Feb-11-07
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  jessicafischerqueen: LOL <Captain> you have posted the Exact same FEN as me, but two moves later... Does this mean we are on the same "Page"? Heh.

Hats off to <TTLump> for digging up the game eh?

So does this mean you are also leaning to 8. ...Qb6?

<Alek-Pet> game, Black delivered a withering Queenside attack.. A case of active pieces in dangerous places being more decisive, at least in the case of this game, than quicker development?

Not only does Black look better after move 14 <your FEN> in this game, Black looks better and better with every move after that as well. After 12 moves <my FEN>, Black is two tempi behind... but when the White King starts crawling to the other side of the board... these tempi are paid back with interest.

Feb-11-07  hitman84: I feel black is more than OK.

White will not be able to carry out the minority attack due to the doubled pawns on g file, we need not worry about the open h file because our King will be in the center. We should waste no time in rolling our Q side pawns. The timing of our attack is very important as in the game we can delay the development of our KB.

Feb-11-07
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  TheAlchemist: <8.h3 Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3 e6 11.Be3 Qb4 12.Qd2 Ne5 13.f3 Bd7 14.O-O-O Rc8>

If we delay castling, as was the case in that game too, White can't do much with the h-file, at least our King is somewhat safer at the moment. I wonder, whether White can, in an appropriate moment, try f4-f5, before we can do something with b5-b4, a5 etc, we should always be on the lookout.

I was also looking at more obscure lines, like the sacrifice of the g4-pawn (I couldn't help it, lol), with something like 13.O-O-O Nxg4. I was at first a bit worried about something like 14.Rde1 Nxe3 15.Rxe3 Be7 16.Rg3, but I think we're fine after 16...Bf6.

I also tried 16.e5 (trying to prevent Bf6) d5 17.Rg3 d4 18.Ne4 Qxd2 19.Kxd2 and I think White will manage to win the d4-pawn back. 16...dxe5 17.Rg3 g6 18.Qh6 or 17...Kf8 18.Rxg7 Kxg7 19.Qh6 Kg8 20.Bxh7 or 17...Bf6 18.Qe3 (with the idea of Ne4) e4 19.Bxe4 Bxc3 20.Qxc3 Qxc3 21.Rxc3 and although we are a pawn up, we are a bit tied up at the moment.

What if instead White tries 11.O-O? We could again try 11...Be7 12.Be3 Qb4 13.Qd2 Ne5 and it seems 14.f3 is more or less forced.

Sorry if it's a bit confusing, I have likely made many mistakes, I just wanted to point out a few possible "deviations", after all, White made a few moves we didn't consider "best" already.

Feb-11-07
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  TheAlchemist: <Jessica> One difference, you knight was on d4 :-)
Feb-11-07  Zebra: <The Alchemist: I don't like this as much as the position resulting from 8.f3 Qb6 9.fxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3, because there White doesn't have the immediate Be3, driving our Queen back, and Black could play 10...e6 and 11..Qb6 without a problem. Here, after 10...e6 11.Be3 Qb4 and I don't like having wasted so many moves with the Queen, we are behind in development. While if we try 10...Qb6 11.Nd5 drives us back.>

This was my immediate reaction as well - I am not mad on Qb6 in this position, though I would have voted for it after 8.f3. But I've still got a lot of kibbitzing to catch up on, so I may see something to change my mind.

Feb-11-07  Marco65: I didn't like 8...Qb6 but there are so many analyses and I need to study them tonight.
Feb-11-07  TTLump: I don't like 8...Qb6 because of the possibility that White might go for the Queen trade, which would give them a blistering attack for the price of the week doubled g-pawn.

After 8...Qb6, here is just one possible continuation.

9.hxg4 Qxd4
10.Qxd4 Nxd4
11.Bd3 Bxg4
12.f3 Bd7
13.Be3 Nc6

leading to this position:


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I would not want to be Black in this position, for example how does Black respond to 14.Nd5 or 14.Bb6?

Feb-11-07  Zebra: <White will not be able to carry out the minority attack due to the doubled pawns on g file, we need not worry about the open h file because our King will be in the center.>

True, but we maybe need to worry about white opening up the centre. Then our king doesn't seem to have anywhere to go.

The scenario <TTLump> has just posted is also worrying.

Feb-11-07  Swapmeet: <TTLump>

I don't think the queen trade is good for white at all. White is down a pawn in a queenless middlegame. In that position 14.Nd5 can be met by Rc8, or maybe even 0-0-0. I don't see any real threat associated with 14.Bb6. Yes white does gain a bunch of tempo for the pawn but I don't see any realistic way to stop black from consolidating.

Feb-11-07
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  TheAlchemist: <TTLump> You raise a very important question, here's my point of view...

The first thing I noticed was a sacrifice (duh) 12...Nxf3 or Bxf3. We get 3 pawns for the piece, but the question is, do we have enough compensation. Mathematically speaking we do, but that's not always the case. We have 2 passed pawns (g and h)

Also, I considered 12...Be6 to prevent Nd5, but we hinder the e-pawn and need to develop the other bishop via g6 and Bg7.

Now, if 14.Nd5, we can simply play 14...Rc8 and if 15.Bb6 e6 16.Nc7 Ke7 and the knight has nowhere to go.

While if 15.Nb6 Rb8 we seem kind of tied up. White would likely continue with a4-a5. Maybe we can try Nc6-e7-c8 and exchange the knight on b6? Like 14.Nd5 Rc8 15.Nb6 Rb8 16.a4 e6 17.a5 Ne7 and now for example 18.b4 Nc8 but it all seems very slow, White can begin building up with b4, c4, b5 etc. We have to find an adequate response to <14.Nd5 and 15.Nb6> (not necessarily with 14...Rc8, although 14...Kd8 seems worse to me, 14...O-O-O is interesting)

After 14.Bb6, we can simply play 14...e6, I don't see why not.

In any case, we have a potential passed pawn on the kingside which we should strive to create. If White gets us all tied up on the queenside, we can still probably counterattack on the other side to keep the balance. The problem is that White controls more space, has compensation for the pawn, but I believe we should be fine, far from losing.

Feb-11-07  TTLump: <TheAlchemist: <TTLump> You raise a very important question, here's my point of view...

While if 15.Nb6 Rb8 we seem kind of tied up. White would likely continue with a4-a5.>

after 15.Nb6 Rb8, why wouldn't White just play 16.0-0-0, and now I see all sorts of tactical potential based on White's control of the center, the rook on the half-open d-file, the overworked Black King (protecting the Bishop and the f-pawn), the threat of c4, c5, Bc4, etc. etc.

once again, I don't want to play this position as black!


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Feb-11-07  TTLump: <TheAlchemist: ... We have to find an adequate response to <14.Nd5 and 15.Nb6> (not necessarily with 14...Rc8, although 14...Kd8 seems worse to me, 14...O-O-O is interesting)>

Here is one possible continuation after 14...O-O-O

15.Bb6 Re8
16.Nc7 Rd8
17.Nxa6 bxa6
18.Bxa6+ Kb8
19.Bxd8 Nxd8

and we reach this position


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and I don't see any hope for black at all, so probably instead of 17...bxa6, Black should play 17...Re8, then followed by 18.Nc7 Rd8
19.Nd5 Re8

and White has the pawn back with a huge lead in development.

Feb-11-07  Swapmeet: <and I don't see any hope for black at all> You are overestimating white a bit in this position. I think black is better in all variations I've looked at after the queen trade. The more critical response in this line is 10.Bd3.
Feb-11-07  Marco65: This <Aleksieva - Petrenko> game is not fully convincing to me. Why should White castle before Black does? After 8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3 e6 11.Be3 Qb4 12.Qd2 Ne5 (D)


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White could play 13.a3 Qa5 (13...Qxb2?? 14.Ra2 ) 14.Be2 Bd7 15.f4 and the knight has to retreat. It's hard to see any good point in Black's position.

And <TTLump> made an excellent analysis of how White has compensation even if they decide to sacrifice the g4 pawn: 8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Qxd4 Nxd4 11.Bd3 Bxg4 12.f3 Bd7 13.Be3 Nc6 14.Nd5. I don't like Black's position in any of his two latest diagrams.

I'm still in favour of the simple 8...Nf6 which forces White to enter either a Scheveningen-Keres Attack with one tempo behind, or some other toothless Scheveningen variation.

Feb-11-07
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  jessicafischerqueen: Still in favor of Qb6 here, but amazing work by teammates exploring lines.

I'm not going to complain if we play Nf6 and go into a <Schveningen> a tempo up-- that's good I think.

But I'm still going to push for the most aggressive moves possible unless they can be PROVEN unsound.

Let us not be afraid to risk-- Especially since we already know that they seem to be quite afraid to risk.

I mean come on, they avoided pinning the Knight in the first place, allowing Ng4-- I'm sure they looked at many of the same games as we did, maybe all of them, and didn't like the Kingside attack black can get from 6.Bg5..

If no one hears otherwise from me before the deadline tomorrow, my <vote is still Qb6>.

Feb-12-07  hitman84: <TTLump>Very good point and I believe white has enough compensation or should I say black's one pawn advantage is not substantial enough in your line.

How about this line...
8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Qxd4 Nxd4 11.Bd3 Bxg4 12.f3 Bd7 13.Be3 Ne6 14.Nd5 g6 15.Nb6 Rd8 16.0-0-0 Bg7 17.f4 Nc5 with the idea Bc6.

Feb-12-07  hitman84: <Marco>White delaying castle will not stop us from rolling our Q-side pawns.

8...Qb6 9.hxg4 Qxd4 10.Bd3 e6 11.Be3 Qb4 12.Qd2 Ne5 13.a3 Qa5 (13...Qxb2?? 14.Ra2 ) 14.Be2 <Be7> 15.f4 Nd7


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We control the b6 square and we can play Bb7 after b5 or b6 depending upon the situation and put pressure on white's center pawn. Our N gets a good outpost on c5.

Feb-12-07  Marco65: <They seem to be quite afraid to risk> I wouldn't assume that. All in all they chose to enter the open Sicilian. Bc1 has been a clever attempt to bring us outside the line we wished to enter, they correctly assumed we wouldn't like a repetition, and they succeeded.

<Jessica> I don't agree we have to choose the aggressive line unless it's proven unsound. I would say "unless it's proven inferior".

And btw for my definition of unsound - which doesn't mean losing on the spot - ...Qb6 IS unsound. While the lines with the sacrifice in g4 are open to debate, I still don't see anything good for Black after Bd3 if White plays as I earlier suggested (and not as in the only game we found which we shouldn't take as gospel).

I wouldn't insist so much if I didn't believe ...Qb6?! is a mistake, this time it's no more a "slight preference" to me

Feb-12-07  Marco65: <hitman84> Sorry I posted before seeing your reply. Still, Black's position in your diagram doesn't appeal to me. We are behind in development, which is proven by the fact that your plan to attack e4 (a good plan, I think, but...) requires 4 tempos: b5, Bb7, Qc7 (otherwise ...Nc5?? is met by b4) and Nc5. And all is quietly met by Bf3!

In the meanwhile White can try and exploit the semi-open file by Rh5, Kf2 and Rah1, and of course ...h6 is met by g5. It is much faster and I don't see how we could defend. I think the white king is perfectly placed in f2, it is far from where Black is attacking, and white rooks are connected without removing a rook from the h-file as it would happen with O-O.

Feb-12-07  brankat: I assume You guys plan to make Your move at precisely 4:00 PM EST, Monday, Feb/12/2007 ? So that Your opponents can do the same 4:00 PM EST Wednesday, and so?
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