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| Feb-12-07 | | Marco65: <hitman84> A small correction: g5 must be played before doubling rooks, otherwise ...Nf6 is a good defence. From your diagram the game might continue:
16.Rh5 Qc7 17.g5 and now:
a) 17...b5 18.Kf2 Bb7 19.Rah1 Nf8 is just horrible
b) 17...f6 18.gxf6 Nxf6 19.Rh3 and then the plan g4-g5 seems very good. Black king also starts to be a little exposed now.I calculated without moving pieces, but I tried not to be biased towards Black or White in my calculation. Improvements can be certainly found but I think with correct play White's advantage in development and the absence of weaknesses in his field will keep him on top. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Marco65: <brankat> I let our captain decide, but what's the issue with that? As you can see, no move has so far been subject to discussion, with diametrically opposed views, as this one. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | hitman84: <In the meanwhile White can try and exploit the semi-open file by Rh5, Kf2 and Rah1, and of course ...h6 is met by g5. It is much faster and I don't see how we could defend. I think the white king is perfectly placed in f2, it is far from where Black is attacking, and white rooks are connected without removing a rook from the h-file as it would happen with O-O.> <Marco>Yes I agree. I vote for Nf6 lets go for Scheveningen! |
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| Feb-12-07 | | hitman84: We need to look deeper into this line before we agree on Nf6 D Andreikin vs Kosteniuk, 2006
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Feb-12-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: This is getting really tense. <Marco> is so strongly against Qb6 that I been reading and re-reading all the analysis <team> has posted. If our <Captain> had to enter our next move now, I don't even see how a vote count could be taken? It's not clear who is definitely for Qb6 and who for Nf6. At least it's just those two moves now right?
I want to change my vote to Nf6. I'm too nervous about losing time in the opening with an awkward exchange for us or through our Queen potentially being chased around... <SO OFFICIALLY I CHANGE MY VOTE TO Nf6> So anyone counting at this point (ten hours till our move is due), it is <Jess> and I believe <Marco> for Nf6. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | hitman84: S Wagman vs B Gruzmann, 2005 This game was just ignored coz of the fact that our (N) goes to g6. Why is that a problem ? The (N) could go to f8 and defend. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Marco65: <hitman84> Good link D Andreikin vs Kosteniuk, 2006 (<team> notice that in that game our position is reached two moves earlier) anyway Black seems to start having problem only when she misses Qf2. And what about 7...h6? Now 8.h4 would be a waste of time so 8.f4 e6 would be played (maybe also 8...e5 is interesting, even if we don't have our queen knight in the right square for a pure Najdorf). And after 9.g5 Nd7 your idea of attacking e4 via b5 Bb7 Nc5 might take place. There's plenty of possibility of play for us, White doesn't have the same development advantage as in the ...Qb6 lines. In my opinion. Yes <jessica> I'm still in favour of ...Nf6, but I start feeling a big responsibility for making you abandon your "pet" line :-) |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Marco65: <hitman84> <our (N) goes to g6. Why is that a problem?> Well I expressed my opinion some posts ago. Looking at that game I think White shouldn't have castled so quickly, but advance pawns profiting of the exposed position of the Ng6. I think ...Ne5 is inferior to ...Nf6, but I won't cry should the team like it. Anyway... I'm "monopolising" (does that verb exist?) the discussion so I won't intervene any more until when I travel back home |
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| Feb-12-07 | | hitman84: These are the continuations available in the DB
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Feb-12-07
 | | TheAlchemist: I'm in favor of Nf6, as in this particular position the excursion with the queen just seems premature and time wasting, as was shown in some variations we came up with. Games with 8...Nf6: Opening Explorer In the 6.h3 lines Black even goes for an early d5 break: Opening Explorer |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Zebra: I am also in favour of Nf6. The Petrenko game is interesting, but as <Marco> has said I don't like white's play in the late opening and am sure our opponents can find improvements. With Nf6 we have a plain flexible open Sicilian in which we have traded a6 (almost always useful) for h3 (which may or may not be useful, white have to either prove it or play a tempo behind) - I would say so far so good. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Swapmeet: I don't see the problem with 8...Nge5. Even if white plays 9.f4, which I don't think is best, we have the option of 9...Nxd4 10.Qxd4 Nc6 which looks fine to me. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Zebra: <swapmeet> I'm not sure I see it as a problem, but I'm also not sure what it really buys us to have our knight there rather than on f6. Also remember that white don't have to play f4 immediately, but have it with tempo whenever they want it. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Zebra: <hitman84: We need to look deeper into this line before we agree on Nf6 D Andreikin vs Kosteniuk, 2006>
I have also been worrying about this, and would be interested to hear your thoughts about it. I can't put my finger on where exactly black goes wrong, but I think she wastes a lot of time with her knight, and seems not to be able to decide where to put her king. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | chessmoron: After looking at some analysis from a few pages that I missed. 8...Qb6 looks OKAY at first especially if White exchange queens but I doubt it. 8...Nf6 for me as well. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Zebra: Sorry, i have just read <Marco>'s analysis of the Kosteniuk game. Maybe it shouldn't worry us quite so much. |
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Feb-12-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: This just in: <Marco>'s impassioned and quite frightening analysis sways Qb6 crowd to Nf6. Full photo report to follow! Very good work everyone. <Marco> don't you or anyone else on team worry about swaying me from "pet" lines. I'm a suicidally aggressive player over the board and hate retreating unless absolutely necessary. Needless to say, I go down in flames frequently, especially as Black!! I just can't help meself. But there's 10 of us here!! Thank goodness. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Zebra: Well, time for zebras to wander towards the nearest watering holes. While I am still sober, I vote for 8 ...Nf6. If you see any posts arguing for 8 ...Nxf2 later this evening, that definitely is not me. |
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Feb-12-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Jessica> Don't worry, there should be more players like that |
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| Feb-12-07 | | Marco65: <jessicafischerqueen> Don't put all the blame on me. I still had doubt before looking at <TTLump>'s interesting analysis of the sac in g4. About the aggressive style... I think I shouldn't show the team 2 games from my latest tournament. I refused to exchange queens in a level position against an IM, and I've been destroyed in 23 moves. Then I brought out my queen very early against a FIDE master, and found myself on the wrong side of a miniature. Fortunately here I have more time to cool down my suicidal instinct. |
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Feb-12-07
| | TheAlchemist: 8...Nf6 posted.
BTW, when things go wrong, blame the boss :-) |
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Feb-12-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: LOL <Marco> there's no "blame" involved man. Rather, your hard work and ability to analyze positions was, I believe, crucial for resolving our current situation in the best way possible for Black. Good work!! |
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| Feb-12-07 | | brankat: In his work/business <Marco> seems to be doing a lot of travelling, so much he even diddn't have time to pay his automobile taxes :-) A travelling man! No wonder the Black Knight jumped 3 times in 8 moves, spending 40% of its time on the road :-) |
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Feb-13-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Be3 Played!!!
I guess they really, really wanted their bishop on that square... |
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| Feb-13-07 | | brankat: Next move due by: very soon :-) Interesting approach to the Opening by both teams. I wonder if <Ng4> goes again? ;-) |
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