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| Feb-13-07 | | brankat: Everybody asleep? :-) |
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| Feb-13-07 | | brankat: Even the one that "never sleeps"? |
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Feb-14-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I is awake <branko>. Although I just had a nap!! Left new messages for you at <chez moi> and <chez toi> |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Marco65: Good morning. So they moved immediately catching us absent (except for our <queen> who never sleeps)! I think after the struggle of ideas of our latest move many will have a pause and won't monitor this forum for a while. Be3 seems a clever attempt to go back to a Najdorf where our queen night is not very well placed in c6. I think we shoul try and transpose to a Scheveningen with ...e6 where our Nc6 is ok while h3 seems a loss of time. That's only my first thought, I don't have time to research now |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Zebra: Scheveningen is the first thing that comes to mind, but maybe the Dragon also comes back into consideration here. h3 for a6 is not a brilliant prelude to a Yugoslav attack, and I think the pawn on a6 means that they wouldn't get much joy out of a Levenfish either. I suspect they might go for the Bc4 variation, which at least makes h3 into a useful move. Anyway, just a thought. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | hitman84: I agree with <Marco>.
Here is my reasoning..
In case of Nbd7 we take control of b6 and c5. If you've noticed in recently played Najdorf games. Nb6 aids an early d5 break activating the King Bishop. In case of Nc6 we need to waste a move by playing Ne7 and then d5 which stops the development of our King Bishop. We'll lose a lot of tempos in the opening. Evidence : Movsesian vs A Mas Hafizulhelmi, 1997 What if we choose not to go for the d5 break ? White will occupy the d5 square and permanently paralyse our KB. Evidence: Kupreichik vs Grurmann Martin, 1991
OUCH!
<I vote 9...e6>
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bc1 Nc6 8. h3 Nf6 9. Be3 e6 10. g4 
click for larger viewMain continuations..
10...h6
10...Be7
10...d5
10...Qc7
I prefer 10...Qc7
Nijboer vs V Dydyshko, 2000
analysis later. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | hitman84: <Zebra>
I think Bc4 is not good for white.
Here is a perfect exploitation. We gain opening timing. White'll have to play passive or cave in like this..E Valiente vs C Rivera, 2001 |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Zebra: Hi <hitman>, I meant Bc4 against the Dragon, not the Scheveningen. Interesting Rivero game though. I am fine with the Scheveningen, though I remembered that some team members were not so keen, so I thought I'd put the Dragon back on the table (have you ever tried putting a dragon on a table...). Otherwise I agree with you and <Marco> that we should get straight on and play ...e6. |
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Feb-14-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Jessica officially votes <e6>. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Zebra: In the position you posted after 10.g4 I think I prefer Be7. I don't particularly like Nijboer's play over the next couple of moves; an immediate f4 might have caused problems with black's knight away on a5. White could also leave his bishop on the a6-f1 diagonal (covering c4) and postpone castling, leaving black without a target on the queenside. At least that is my initial reaction. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | hitman84: <Zebra>There were some better moves like for example instead of Qc5,Nd7 followed by b5, Bb7. I'll analyze it later. I'm not against Be7. Lets take them up one by one. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | TTLump: ChessWorld Masters Collection from this position:
13 White, 8 Black, 5 draws, I will be back with more detail later. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | chessmoron: Why can't we move 9...Bd7? I can see this move could go on an exchange spree. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Zebra: 9...Bd7 looks dubious to me, as if 10.g4 etc we will need that square for our knight. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Marco65: It seems 9...e6 is the move most GMs play, and is the only choice in my Fritz8 opening database. <hitman84> made good points against 9...e5. I wonder if 9...Nxd4 10.Bxd4 e5 is any better, but I only found an amateur game with that and therefore I don't dare recommend it. Playing a Dragon as <Zebra> suggests seems an alternative, although I don't think we get any advantage over a standard Dragon: we played ...a6 and they played h3, both moves don't appear in the few Dragon "tabija" I know. Therefore I (reluctantly) vote for 9...e6 |
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| Feb-14-07 | | Silverstrike: <TheAlchemist> Hi! I understand that you are doing things on this forum at the moment, but would you, sometime in the future, be willing to play a correspondence game on your forum? Of course you don't have to. Tell me if you would like to sometime. Thanks! :) |
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| Feb-14-07 | | brankat: <Silverstrike> Hi there my man! Where have You been? I've been wondering about what had ever happened to our <Av.G>. Got one year older, I guess:-) Stay cool, man, and visit more often. |
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Feb-14-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Silverstrike> Sure! Just not at the moment, be sure to remind me again when we finish this game. Until then, you can find another victim :-) |
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| Feb-15-07 | | Zebra: <Playing a Dragon as <Zebra> suggests seems an alternative, although I don't think we get any advantage over a standard Dragon: we played ...a6 and they played h3, both moves don't appear in the few Dragon "tabija" I know> That is correct as far as I know. But my reasoning is that a6 isn't played against the Yugoslav because black doesn't usually have time, while h3 isn't played because it's useless. Nonetheless I am not really claiming an advantage, and don't want to push the point. e6 is fine with me. |
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| Feb-15-07 | | Zebra: OK, I will vote for 9 ...e6.
A few thoughts on the position <Marco> posted earlier, after 9 ...e6 and a white 10.g4, and our possible replies. I don't think it's too early to be thinking ahead. a) h6. I don't like this move in this kind of position; white gets to g5 anyway after h4 or f4, and our k-side pawns are weakened. b) d5. Looks dubious when our knight is about to be kicked off f6, though I haven't yet played over the single example in the database (I need my own computer for that, this one is too slow). It seems better to wait for our knight to come across to b6, where it can support the d5 break. c/d) Be7 vs Qc7. Both look reasonable moves, but I have a slight preference for Be7. Reason: I think that in the Scheveningen (unlike perhaps the Najdorf) it is better to delay the q-side counter-attack until we have a target (e.g. white 0-0-0). Be7 is a developing move, secures 0-0 (if we play it at all we may have to play it quickly) and is a good waiting move. It also seems to have good support in the database, though as I have said, I need to look at more of the games. |
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| Feb-15-07 | | brankat: <CG Team> I assume You guys do know Your move is due today? 5:00 PM EST. Three hours left. |
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| Feb-15-07 | | Silverstrike: <brankat> Hey dude! I took a break from chess around May last year, and am slowly getting back into it, but not as seriously as before. I changed my account, as I believed that as <Averageguy> I hadn't conducted all my posts with appropriate grace and manners, and decided to start afresh. I'll visit every so often. See you around! :) <TheAlchemist> Fantastic! Just let me know when is good for you. I'll hang up my revolver until then. ;) |
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| Feb-15-07 | | brankat: <Sliverstrike> Good to see You again! You did OK even as an <Av.Guy> :-) Now as <Silverstrike>, being a year older, no doubt You'll do even better. Take care. |
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Feb-15-07
| | TheAlchemist: I don't feel like waiting anymore, so I'm posting e6 two hours early. Last minute pleas are therefore rejected. |
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| Feb-15-07 | | Silverstrike: <brankat> I'll do my best. :) |
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