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Botvinnik - Bronstein World Championship Match (1951) |
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May-24-14
| | WCC Editing Project: I recommend we celebrate with the adding of chocolate to milk, before getting down to any srz bznz. |
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| May-24-14 | | Karpova: On Botvinnik - Bronstein World Championship Match (1951) ---
Footnote <4>
"Alexey Popovsky, Rusbase Rusbase 4a;"
<Rusbase 4a> is the link, so the first <Rusbase> (in italics) appears redundant. "10th board in the USSR-USA Match (1946) Alexey Popovsky, Rusbase 4c;" This time, there is no link.
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Footnote <16>
"Steve Giddins, tranls."
should be <transl.>
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Footnote <24>
Maybe add a link to the chesshistory hompegage: http://www.chesshistory.com/ |
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May-24-14
| | WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>
Well spotted!
I have started the log file and I just entered all of your points in it now. |
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May-24-14
| | WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>
Right on Footnote <4>. The extra "Rusbase" was my fault. Only the missing hyperlink to the third Rusbase reference is a true erratum. 4. After his 3rd place at the USSR Championship (1945), Bronstein joined the Soviet team in the following international events: 10th board in the USSR-USA Radio Match (1945) Alexey Popovsky, Rusbase http://al20102007.narod.ru/matches/...; 1st board in the Prague-Moscow Match (1946) http://www.olimpbase.org/other/resu...; 7th board in the USSR-Great Britain Radio Match (1946) Alexey Popovsky, http://al20102007.narod.ru/matches/...; 10th board in the USSR-USA Match (1946) Alexey Popovsky, Rusbase 4c; and 9th board in the USSR-Great Britain Match (1947) Harry Golombek, Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess (Crown Publishers, Inc. 1977), p.45 ########################
Footnote <16>
<16. Yuri Averbakh, Centre-Stage and Behind the Scenes: the Personal Memoir of a Soviet Chess Legend Steve Giddins, <tranls.> (New in Chess 2011), p.112> That is certainly my typographical error.
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Footnote <24>
Quite right. The link for note 24 was in our draft. Possibly when I copy and pasted it for <crawfb5> I dropped the bottom part of the note off. Anyways, yes it needs to look like this; 24 "Revista Internacional de Ajedrez" (Mar 1993), pp.38-42. In Edward Winter, Chess Note 4753: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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May-24-14
 | | OhioChessFan: <Yuri Averbakh, Centre-Stage and Behind the Scenes: the > If that is the name of the book so be it, but grammatically, that should be "The". |
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May-24-14
| | OhioChessFan: <Tidskrift för schack nr. 7-8 (July-Aug 1949), pp.153-157.; Tabanus transl.> Dele the . after "157"
On a related note, is there a consistent template for the punctuation? I see a number of different final punctuation marks, eg, a comma in footnote 1, semicolon in footnote 6, nothing in footnote 9, and a colon in footnote 24. I have an idea what the secret code is, but am not sure. |
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May-25-14
| | WCC Editing Project: Thanks <Ohio>, nice work. LOGGED, and I'll look into that closely to see what's up, I suspect it's something I did from my end. |
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May-25-14
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: The "schack" in "Tidskrift för Schack" is capitalized in footnote 6 but not capitalized in footnote 13. (It should be capitalized in both.) |
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May-25-14
| | WCC Editing Project: Thank you <Switch> and LOGGED. All the errata corrections are on one file now.
We have two days to find more. |
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May-26-14
| | OhioChessFan: Can you specify which corrections exactly you are logging? And still need a consistent template of punctuation marks. |
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May-26-14
| | OhioChessFan: < earned him the Soviet national master title.[1,3] > "3" links to cite 1.
<an adjournment to the following day after five hours of play.[13,14] >
"14" links to cite 13
< in a three player match tournament for the title. [13,16] > "16" links to cite 13.
<and had not prepared for this system.[9,18] > "18" links to cite 9.
I suppose it's possible that is just one link in each case, but if so, then the second link to the second cite should be added. |
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May-26-14
| | WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>
I'm logging every correction post "in toto" so that when I sort it out, nothing will be missed. Great find on the "rogue links" that's definitely an error and all will need to be fixed. |
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May-26-14
| | OhioChessFan: <Botvinnik had played no chess in public since he had won the FIDE World Championship Tournament (1948), > Is this off limits to correct? "since he had won" sort of suggests cause and effect, eg "OhioChessFan boycotted this site for a year since he had disagreed with a terrible decision by the admins." "since winning the FIDE" or "since his win in the FIDE...." both seem better. But if that falls in the realm of grammatical polishing and is off limits at this point, so be it. |
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May-26-14
| | WCC Editing Project: Heh...
Excellent example sentence.
I recall hearing something very like it around a year ago during a conversation, as a matter of fact. Yes, as you suspect, only factual errors, spelling errors, typos, links that don't link to what they're supposed to, missing links, or internal consistency issues should be fixed after we submit a draft. And even on those <Daniel> is the final judge, although he's pretty reasonable and also a good editor, which is fortunate for all of us. "since winning" is a winner.
It's clearly better than what's in the draft, but I still don't want to change the policy. |
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May-26-14
| | WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>
As you well know, that the second meaning of "since" causes all manner of trouble for writers/editors, eh? Bloody English.
Pardon my French. |
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May-28-14
| | WCC Editing Project: <Colleagues>
I am too busy at work to give some of the errata posts the full attention they deserve- particularly those of <Ohio>. I just emailed Daniel to let him know I will send him an errata sheet on Saturday afternoon. I am going to print out a copy of all four of our promoted drafts and examine all the copies with my "magnifying reading glasses" at home on Saturday. I want to check for consistency in a systematic and slow fashion, and I need a free day to do that. Ok thanks everyone for the errata posts, you really came up with some great catches. |
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May-28-14
| | OhioChessFan: Don't forget this:
<On a related note, is there a consistent template for the punctuation? I see a number of different final punctuation marks, eg, a comma in footnote 1, semicolon in footnote 6, nothing in footnote 9, and a colon in footnote 24. I have an idea what the secret code is, but am not sure.> |
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May-28-14
 | | Annie K.: <WCC Editing Project: <<Ohio> I'm logging every correction post <"in toto"> so that when I sort it out, nothing will be missed.> >Watch it, eh? Remember what happened to the last person who threatened Dorothy's little dog... ;s |
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May-28-14
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Hello <Annie> very nice to see you, especially in here! <Ohio> I was thinking precisely of that errata suggestion you just re-posted. I'm going to pay especially close attention to that when I have all four promoted drafts in front of me, side by side, on real paper. And my ridiculously high powered reading glasses. |
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May-28-14
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Here are some audiovisual aids to help explain the sequence of chess history events referred to by <Annie's> fine post: First this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW_0... And now this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQJ8... heh... |
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| May-28-14 | | Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Tarrasch 1908 I overhauled the Intro a bit and post it here in full (model was the draft here, so it can be inserted there by copy&paste). |
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| May-28-14 | | Karpova: <Siegbert Tarrasch> was born in Breslau, Prussia (now Wrocław, Poland) in 1862. In the late 1880s, he established himself as one of the strongest chessplayers in the world with several tournament successes. <1> After Tarrasch's first place in Manchester (1890),<2> the Havana Chess Club proposed a match against world champion <Wilhelm Steinitz>.<3> Tarrasch declined as he couldn't devote that much time to chess, being a practicing physician.<3> Besides his successful chess career, he is also famous for propagating and deepening chess, which earned him the nickname "praeceptor germaniae" (lat. teacher of Germany).<4> In 1906, world champion <Emanuel Lasker> singled out Tarrasch and <Geza Maroczy> as worthy contenders for the world championship, and said "Dr. Tarrasch's strength or weakness, if one likes - is his pronounced amour propre. Without it he would have been a very mediocre chess player; gifted to an abnormal degree, he has become a giant."<5> Before he won the title from Steinitz, Lasker had already approached Tarrasch for a match in 1892. Tarrasch declined, leaving Lasker with the impression that he didn't consider him good enough yet.<6> Tarrasch didn't accept the proposal, because Lasker hadn't competed in Dresden (1892) won by Tarrasch,<7> and thereby missed the chance to beat him in a direct duel.<8> After his successful comeback at Monte Carlo (1903), Tarrasch challenged Lasker for a world championship match <5> to take place in autumn 1904.<9> The conditions were published at the end of 1903.<10> An ice-skating accident in January 1904 disabled Tarrasch. He visited Lasker in Berlin in March 1904, suggesting to postpone the match until next year. But Lasker declined, declaring the contract null and void if the match couldn't take place at the agreed date. Tarrasch would have to issue a new challenge.<11> His success in <Marschall-Tarrasch (1905)> induced Gebhardt, chairman of the German Chess Federation, to contact the Manhattan Chess Club on November 24, 1905 to negotiate a match for the title. He didn't receive an answer for five months and so contacted Lasker directly on April 20, 1906. Lasker agreed in principle, but wanted to play in America only, as he believed that a match could be financed nowhere else. Tarrasch could only play in Germany, due to his profession.<12> Furthermore, Lasker negotiated for a world championship match with Maroczy in 1906, but finally without success.<13> When Lasker defended his title in the <Lasker – Marshall world championship match (1907)> by the score (+8 -0 =7), comparisons were drawn to Tarrasch's previous victory (+8 -1 =8) against the same opponent in 1905,<14> as if the title match had only been a substitute for a match between the two German chessmasters. Tarrasch had triumphed in <Ostend (Championship) (1907)> later that year, so a match between them became a pressing matter again.<12> A good opportunity for negotiations, was offered in February 1908, with Lasker visiting Europe again after four years.<12> |
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| May-28-14 | | Karpova: Finally, the long-anticipated match was brought about after lengthy negotiations in 1908. The chairmen of the German (Gebhardt) and Bavarian (Schenzel) Chess Federations persuaded Lasker to accept a lower honorarium of 7,500 Mark (instead of originally demanded 15,000 Mark), while Tarrasch even agreed to forego an honorarium. The winner was the first to win eight games with draws not counting and received 4,000 Mark, while the loser got 2,500 Marks.<15> <16> The time control was 1 h for 15 moves.<17> The arbiter was Otto Rosenfeld and Tarrasch's second was Heinrich Renner.<18> Lasker's second was Appun in Düsseldorf, while in Munich Schropp and Kollmann alternated.<18> The match began on August 17 in the Kunstpalast in Düsseldorf where the first 4 games were played. The contract stipulated that the match be relocated to Munich as soon as one competitor had scored three points.<19> As Lasker achieved this score after winning the 4th game on August 31, the match continued in the Rathaus in Munich until September 30, when Lasker won the 16th game and the match (+8 -3 =5).<20> Several commentators considered Tarrasch to have played below his ability and the result not to be representative of his true strength, yet Lasker's victory was regarded to be deserved as he had demonstrated his superiority.<21> <22> |
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| May-28-14 | | Karpova: 1 Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/players/p455... 2 Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/... 3 "New York Sun", October 6, 1890. In Jacques N. Pope http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... 4 "Wiener Schachzeitung", February 1934, pp. 49-50. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 5 "Lasker's Chess Magazine", January 1906, p.126. In Edward Lasker, ed., "Lasker's Chess Magazine" Vol.III Nov 1905 - April 1908, Olomouc 1998 <Add pages, to include info about 1903 offer> 6 Emanuel Lasker, "London Chess Fortnightly", Issue 2, 1 September 1892, p.15 7 Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/... 8 Siegbert Tarrasch, "Der Schachwettkampf Lasker-Tarrasch um die Weltmeisterschaft im August-September 1908", Jens-Erik Rudolph Verlag, Hamburg 2009. Originally Veit & Comp., Leipzig 1908. Chapter 1, p.1 9 "Wiener Schachzeitung", December 1904, p. 364. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 10 "Wiener Schachzeitung", December 1903, pp. 291-292. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 11 Tarrasch, chapter 1, p.2
12 Tarrasch, chapter 1, p.3
13 Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 1/8/1905, page 13.
14 "Wiener Schachzeitung", May-July 1907, pp. 163-164. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 15 "Wiener Schachzeitung", May-June 1908, pp. 176-177. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 16 "Wiener Schachzeitung", September-October 1908, p. 263. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 17 "Wiener Schachzeitung", September-October 1908, p. 265. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 18 Tarrasch, chapter 1, p.15. Among the tasks of the seconds mentioned were checking the clocks prior to the games. The chessplayer's second had to be contacted at least 1 hour before start of the game, if a rest day was taken (chapter 1, p.14). They were not for analysis of adjourned games, as clause 13 prohibited analysis or replaying of adjourned games in presence of a third person. 19 "Wiener Schachzeitung", July-August 1908, p. 193. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 20 Emanuel Lasker, "Wiener Schachzeitung", Supplementheft 1908, pp. 381-416 (originally from Pester Lloyd 1908). In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 21 "Wiener Schachzeitung", September-October 1908, pp. 323-328. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... 22 "Wiener Schachzeitung", December 1908, pp. 370-376. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... |
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