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   Jun-07-15 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <zanzibar: Since I'm an adviser to editors, rather than an editor, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly editors can do.> I want to bring this post to your attention again: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #10966) It explains what editors can do and what not.
 
   May-31-15 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <chessgames.com> Maybe you overlooked this post Biographer Bistro (kibitz #11028) , since the Bistro has become rather fast-paced. An answer would be interesting to several people.
 
   May-29-15 WCC Editing Project chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Chessical> Thank you very much for your contribution(s)! We hope that you will support us in the future, also. For sure, you have helped us quite a lot already. The draft in question is already finished and was send away, though. It is still a valuable source and
 
   Apr-01-15 Moscow (1925) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Capablanca> on his experience at <Moscow 1925>: <"Although very philosophical, very observant and completely dispassionate in my judgment about everything concerning chess and its great exponents, I was nonetheless <<<unable to ...
 
   Mar-08-15 Tabanus chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: Ribli - Torre Candidates Quarterfinal (1983) Audiovisual aid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8G...
 
   Mar-08-15 Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Match (1929) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <beatgiant> In case you want to read further on this topic, I have prepared a sourced timeline that summarizes the <Alekhine-Capablanca> rematch negotiations from 26 Feb 1929 - March 1935: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1934 ARCHIVE
 
   Jan-29-15 suenteus po 147 chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <One Third of the original "Big Three"> I beg your pardon! I'm on vacation in Canada, and I just now saw your post in the WCC forum. By "we" I meant the cg.com biographers, not the WCC project. All of the research compiled for additions to your intro was done by ...
 
   Nov-23-14 R Fuchs vs Tal, 1969 (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <MC Scarlett> If so, very very quietly...
 
   Nov-19-14 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Thanks for the correction! That sum makes more sense now in conjunction with the report on the organizers' losses. Good heavens- they can't have made much on ticket sales.
 
   Nov-17-14 E Walther vs Tal, 1966
 
WCC Editing Project: Queen trap Trick or Treat- this game was played on Halloween, 1966.
 
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May-17-14  Karpova: According to source <6>, the first 1909 match had a 2,500 francs prize fund (1,000 for the winner, 750 francs game remuneration).

Prior to that May 1909 match, Nardus had asked Lasker for the conditions for a match between them. These were either 5,000 francs for the winner or 10,000 francs stake from both sides (but the match could only take place in 2 years. However, Nardus was willing to spend 2,500 francs on the 4 games and suddenly it became possible).

After the match, when Nardus suggested a WC match, he offered a 6,000 francs prize fund.

According to source <8>, Nardus donated 6,000 francs for the 2nd 1909 match, so the prize fund became 10,000 francs as others donated also (e. g. a Mr Tauber, director of the Parisian Excelsior and Regina hotels donated 1,000 francs). From this, the winner got 2,000 francs. 8,000 francs were spent on game remuneration (400 francs for the loser of a game, 600 francs for the winner of that game).

May-22-14  Boomie: <WCC>

Since it appears there are no more edits for Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Janowski 1910, should we start working on the next project?

May-22-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Tim>

We'd have to consider which is the next draft to work on.

<Karpova> and I would have to decide that, since we're still waiting on <Daniel> to finish promoting our Game Collection: WCC: Botvinnik-Bronstein 1951 draft.

On that topic, whatever <Karpova> wants is fine with me.

As far as I'm concerned, the Soviet is welcome to edit any of the drafts marked "finished JFQ" in our profile, but please let's wait until <Karpova> can tell us what she would prefer, since it's her draft currently up on the block.

It's therefore <Karpova's> decision.

May-22-14
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  OhioChessFan: 2 points:

1. Previously, I thought this was preferred:

"<Furthermore, the press gave limited coverage, because Lasker had secured the copyright for the games, so they couldn't be printed without charge.>

But the draft still reads:

<Furthermore, the press gave limited coverage, because Lasker had secured the copyright for the games, which therefore couldn't be printed without charge.>

2. It might be worth the extra words to mention the prize money Nardus put up for the exhibition matches.

May-22-14  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Janowski 1910

Please effect this change: WCC Editing Project chessforum

The intro is already pretty long, and the prize money of the exhibition matches seems to be irrelevant for the WC match.

However, I wonder if the link to the tournament page of those matches - for some strange reason merged into one - Lasker - Janowski (1909) - should be provided.

I think that in this paragraph

In May 1909, financed by his wealthy patron Leo Nardus, Janowski played an <exhibition match> against Lasker in Paris, which ended drawn (+2 -2 =0). Enthusiastic about the outcome of the match, Nardus proposed a match for the world championship. While Lasker had no objection in principle, he had to leave France before reaching a final decision.<6> They played a second <exhibition match> <7> in Paris from October to November, which saw Lasker emerge as the clear winner (+7 -1 =2).<8> On 12 Nov 1909, both masters signed an agreement for a title match in autumn 1910, predicated on Lasker not losing his title to Carl Schlechter .<9>

both mentions of an exhibition match, which I put in <>, should become a link to the tournament page.

Takes really long to promote Bronstein-Botvinnik.

May-22-14
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  OhioChessFan: <The intro is already pretty long, and the prize money of the exhibition matches seems to be irrelevant for the WC match.>

Nardus put up a lot of money even after the trouncing in the second exhibition match. I don't know where to go with that, but it does seem pertinent.

<However, I wonder if the link to the tournament page of those matches - for some strange reason merged into one - Lasker - Janowski (1909) - should be provided.>

That might be a good compromise.

May-22-14
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Karpova: On 12 Nov 1909>

<The match for the world championship was held Nov 8-Dec 8 in the Kerkau-Palast in Berlin.>

Apart from the draft not being internally consistent, I thought we had agreed to use "November 12, 1909" in article bodies, and limit dmy dates (and month abbreviations) to footnotes?

May-22-14  Karpova: <OhioChessFan: Nardus put up a lot of money even after the trouncing in the second exhibition match. I don't know where to go with that, but it does seem pertinent.>

I think that Nardus' munificence is clear enough already.

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Please change

On 12 Nov 1909, both masters signed an agreement for a title match in autumn 1910, predicated on Lasker not losing his title to Carl Schlechter .<9>

into

On November 12, 1909 both masters signed an agreement for a title match in autumn 1910, predicated on Lasker not losing his title to Carl Schlechter .<9>

May-22-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Ok I put all the changes in now.

May-22-14
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  OhioChessFan: <There was limited attention from the public since most people thought Janowski had little chance of winning, and it had been the second title match in a short span of time.>

I strongly prefer "was" to "had been".

May-22-14  Boomie: <Ohio: I strongly prefer "was" to "had been".>

I second the Commaczar.

May-22-14
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  OhioChessFan: <Janowski defended stubbornly again in game 6 to split the point after two adjournements.>

adjournments

< Lasker won game 7. In the twice-adjourned game 8, >

Is the hyphen necessary?

May-22-14
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  OhioChessFan: <Match start-finish date: 9 Nov - 8 Dec >

Should be mm/dd

May-22-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <TimHio>

I concur with both of you on <I strongly prefer "was" to "had been".>

#################

<Ohio (solo version)>

<< Lasker won game 7. In the twice-adjourned game 8, >

Is the hyphen necessary?>

It's not grammatically necessary, but on style, it is preferred.

Preferred by me at any rate.

May-23-14  Karpova: I agree with the changes

There was limited attention from the public since most people thought Janowski had little chance of winning, and it had been the second title match in a short span of time.<12>

to

There was limited attention from the public since most people thought Janowski had little chance of winning, and it was the second title match in a short span of time.<12>

and

Janowski defended stubbornly again in game 6 to split the point after two adjournements.<20>

to

Janowski defended stubbornly again in game 6 to split the point after two adjournments.<20>

---

<Match start-finish date: 9 Nov - 8 Dec>

will this even be part of the intro?

May-23-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

I made the changes.

<<Match start-finish date: 9 Nov - 8 Dec>

will this even be part of the intro?>

Good question. I don't even remember if I put that there or was it part of your own draft?

I don't think any of the intros has the start-finish dates on them, including our three promoted drafts.

Maybe we should add them to all future drafts and ask Daniel to add them to our three promoted drafts?

May-23-14
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: I agree with the hyphen in "twice-adjourned". In fact, I would have suggested that wording myself had <Karpova> not beaten me to it.

<Match start-finish date: 9 Nov - 8 Dec>

<The match for the world championship was held Nov 8-Dec 8 in the Kerkau-Palast in Berlin.>

Apart from the fact I'm not really happy with the abbreviations in "Nov 8-Dec 8", we have two different dates here - November 9 and November 8. Is one of these dates the date of some kind of opening ceremony and the other the date of the first game, or is one of them simply wrong? (Game 1 at Lasker vs Janowski, 1910 is currently dated 1910.11.08, so I suspect the latter.)

May-23-14  Karpova: <Match start-finish date: 9 Nov - 8 Dec>

This is definitely not from any of my drafts. I would suggest to simply delete it. I don't think that it needs to be be implemented in any of the intros.

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Please change

The match for the world championship was held Nov 8-Dec 8 in the Kerkau-Palast in Berlin.<13>

to

The match for the world championship was held November 8 - December 8 in the Kerkau-Palast in Berlin.<13>

May-23-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Ok will do.

May-24-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Esteemed Colleagues>

Good news- as I understand it, our <Botvinnik-Bronstein> draft will be up on the WCC page soon.

So be on the lookout!

We'll take four days to comb through the new promotion for errata.

Then I'll send them all in one file.

That worked out well last time, so I think we should keep following that method.

May-24-14
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  OhioChessFan: <"force me to fight against my 'own' systems," >

At first, I thought there was a transcription error putting "own" in single quotation marks, but then I saw that was in the draft. I am wondering what prompted that in the first place. Did Mikey do air quotation marks when he said "own" and someone recorded it?

May-24-14
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  OhioChessFan: Off to work. I will work through every link to make sure those are functioning sometime tonight.
May-24-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>

Asked and answered the first time you asked about that last month.

But no fear! You needn't scroll back.

Yes Mighty Mike put in his own quotations. He did it by typing them in, which is why nobody had to be looking at him. I suspect there'd have been no audience to see any air quotations.

Is the draft up!?

May-24-14
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  WCC Editing Project: Aha!

Thanks <Daniel>.

Ok we have four days to find two kinds of correction only-

1. Factual errors

2. Typographical errors

I'll be collecting any errata you guys find and post in our forum, so if I don't answer right away please don't worry about that. I won't miss anyone's posts and I will log everything.

3. Something <Switch> says about "consistency of the promoted drafts"

Ok that's three then.

No style corrections will be made.

May-24-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio> whoa sorry I see you were jesting.

heh... It just crept up on me...

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