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| Tassilo Lasa: As I said in previous notes, the details, including page numbers, regarding the source/s of a game are absolutely neccesary for authentication. Anyone can create a database of games, but authenticating a game can take time, patience, and resources. I've accumulated over 3 dozen (and counting) new games not in my book. Some have been sent to me, about a dozen. Most I've found through further acquisition of material, including Gillam's book on Ostende 1906, as well as Google's remarkable digital libary of old chess magazines and books. However, there's still a lot of Schlechter games I'd like to get. And, like I said in an earlier post, I haven't looked closely yet at the database of Schlechter games on this site. Dale Brandreth has encouraged me to publish an addendum to my book - to provide corrections as well as additional games. I haven't decided yet whether to do that. However, I'd like to make an offer to the members of this Schlechter forum - if I do decide to publish an addendum, then anyone who provides me with new game/s (that I don't have), including the details of authentication, will receive a free signed copy of the addendum. I haven't figured out the details yet, but I will need either hard copy of the game, including the title page of the source, or, if electronic, then a digital copy of the game and title page of the source. In the next couple of weeks I will start listing what I'm looking for. As to sharing what I have, if I don't publish the addendum, then I am certainly willing to share the new games with this forum anyway. |
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Oct-17-09
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| Gypsy: < Calli: Johann KotrÄŤ is the name as given by Berger in Schach Jahrbuch for 1899. Of course, Jan is just short for Johann,...> In this case, <Jan> is not an abbreviation; it is the (full) Czech version of English <John>, German <Johann>, and so on. |
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Oct-18-09
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| Calli: <Gypsy> Good point. I wonder why Berger translated the forename? Normally, Germans don't. Spanish writers often do, i.e., "Pablo Morphy". Perhaps Kotrč himself entered the Hauptturniers using "Johann" to make things easier. |
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Oct-18-09
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| Gypsy: <Calli> I'd be only guessing. Kotrc soon afterward resettled in Vienna and lived there for the next 40 years. He was obviously completely fluent in both languages. Jan Kotrc (1862-1943) was the nucleus around whom the Czech chess club life first formed from informal gatherings in Jedlicka Coffehouse starting about 1882. He started two chess magazines, the later one, Ceske sachove listy (1896), came through several transformations and still survives as Ceskoslovensky sach; also started a number of a chess columns in various periodicals, and authored or co-authored chess textbooks (some in Czech, a number in German). Kotrc was a brother-in-law of Karel Traxler. (One can surmise that Kotrc married a sister of Traxler, as father Traxler was a priest.) Kotrc was of solid master strength; in 1892 played in the congress of Deutscher Schachbund -- handily won the preliminaries, finished 4th in the main tournament; in 1899 was invited to play Kolish Memorial tournament of Austro-Hungarian masters in Vienna -- finished with 50% (5.5/11) among famous players such as Maroczy, Schlechter, Marco, Wolfe, Alapin, ...; published at least 110 of his own problem compositions. |
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Oct-19-09
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| TheFocus: <Tassilo Lasa> Outstanding and commendable idea for the addendum. Here again are the games I had mentioned earlierwith my sources, but a good many of them are from an unconfirmed database I got on DanBase. I can provide according to your requirements the games from the book "20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968." The ones from Vlastimil Fiala must be credited to him and Quarterly for Chess History. There are two more consultation games and two simultaneous games in Quarterly for Chess History. I will post them here tomorrow. (CG) means here at ChessGames that I also had. (Focus) are ones I have that are not included here or in your book. Of course, I do not know what sources ChessGames used to obtain their games. I am not including Ostend 1906 as you have those already. Cologne 1898
1. S - Gottschall (CG) Source: Deutsche Schachzeitung 1899, pg. 44. (Published in Cologne 1898 – Fiala, V., 1997). Vienna 1899/1900
2. Zinkl - S (CG) Source: DanBase
3. S - Marco (CG) Source: DanBase
4. S - Popiel (CG) Source: DanBase
5. Prock - S (CG) Source: DanBase
6. S - Brody (CG) Source: DanBase
7. Maroczy - S (CG) Source: DanBase
8. Kotrc - S (CG) Source: DanBase
Vienna 1902
9. Maroczy - S (CG) Source: Danbase
Vienna 1905
10. Nimzowitsch - S (CG) Source: Quarterly for Chess History #4, 2000, pg. 331-332. Discovered by Vlastimil Fiala in the Prager Tagblatt, November 30, 1924. Vienna 1911/1912
11. Loewy - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
12. S - Albin (Focus) Source: DanBase
13. Albin - S (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 18-19. (notes by Schlechter) Vienna 1913
14. Reti - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
15. S - Reti (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 16. S - Tartakower (CG) Source: DanBase Vienna 1913 (5th Trebitsch)
17. S - Reti (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 18. Schara - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
19. S - Kirschen (Focus) Source: DanBase
1915 Vienna (7th Trebitsch)
20. S - Marco (CG) Source: DanBase
21. Kaufmann - S (CG) Source: DanBase
22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter) Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter) 23. Vidmar - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
24. S - Kaufmann (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 25. Kaufmann - S (CG) Source: DanBase Vienna 1917/1918 (9th Trebitsche)
26. Tartakower - S (CG)
27. Asztalos – S (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 334-31). (notes by Schlechter) Kaschau 1918
27. Brach - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
28. S - Breyer (CG) Source: DanBase |
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Oct-20-09
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| TheFocus: For all the Schlechter fans, here are four more unknown games courtesy of Vlastimil Fiala at the Quarterly for Chess Histor. Enjy!! Schlechter – N.N.
Falkbeer Countergambit
Vienna Chess Club, 1912
(odds of Queen’s Knight)
1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.c4 c6 6.d4 Nh5 7.Bd3 cxd5 8.O-O Bd6 9.Re1+ Kf8 10.Ne5 Qh4 11.cxd5 Nd7 12.Nc4 Bb4 13.Bd2 Bxd2 14.Qxd2 g5 15.Re8+ Kg7 16.Rxc8 Raxc8 17.Nd6 Kf6 18.Nf5 Qg4 19.Qb4 Ng7 20.Qd6+ Ne6 21.dxe6 fxe6 22.Qe7+ 1-0. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #7, 2001, pg. 562. (St. Petersburger Herold, January 14, 1913). Schlechter – N.N.
Bishop’s Opening
Vienna Chess Club, 1912
(odds of Queen’s Knight)
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.O-O d6 6.c3 O-O 7.cxd4 b6 8.a4 a5 9.Bg5 Bg4 10.Ra3 Nc6 11.d5 Nd4 12.Rd3 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bd7 14.f4 Qe7 15.Rg3 Kh8 16.Bd3 Bd4 17.Bb1 Bc5 18.Qc2 Qe8 19.e5 Bxa4 20.Bxf6 Bxc2 21.Rxg7 Qd8 22.Bxc2 Qxf6 23.Rxh7+ Kg8 24.exf6 Bd4 25.Kh1 1-0. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #7, 2001, pg. 562. (St. Petersburger Herold, January 14, 1913). Kotrc, Kvicala & Popov – Moucka,, Schlechter & Vesely
Scotch Game
Prague, 1896
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bd3 d5 7.Qe2 Be7 8.e5 Nd7 9.Bf4 Rb8 10.b3 Nc5 11.Nd2 O-O 12.O-O f6! 13.Rad1 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 fxe5 15.Bxe5 Bd6 16.Bb2 Qh4 17.g3 Qh6 18.c4 Bf5 19.Qd4 Rbe8 20.Rfe1 Bc5! 21.Qf4 g5 22.Qf3 Be4 0-1. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #10, 2004, pg. 28, from an unnamed Czech chess column. Moucka & Schlechter – Kotrc & Pollack
Spanish Game
Prague, 1896
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nd5 Bc5 7.O-O O-O 8.c3 Nxe4 9.Bc2 Nf6 10.Ng5 h6 11.Nxf6 Qxf6 12.Nh7 Qe7 13.Nxf8 Qxf8 14.Kh1 d5 15.f4 d4 16.fxe5 Nxe5 17.Qh5 Qd6 18.Bb3 Bg4 19.Bxf7 Kh8 20.Qh4 Rf8 0-1. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #10, 2004, pg. 29, from an unnamed Czech chess column. |
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Oct-21-09
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| vonKrolock: Very kind, <TheFocus> - <Kvicala>: Dr. Jan Kvicala , or Antonin Kvicala - or perhaps a third ?! |
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Oct-21-09
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| vonKrolock: By the way, in that drawing with the portrait of Czech Composers, we find also Jan Kotrc and Frantisek Moucka a. o. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F... |
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Oct-21-09
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| Gypsy: <vonKrolock>
It seem that there were at least 4 national-master level players and/or problem composers from the Kvicala 'clan' (Kweetchala is a reasonable phonetic transcription). Kvicalas:
Antonin (1847-1908)
Co-founder and the first chairman of Czech Chess Union (UJCS). Noted also for his blindfold play skills. Antonin Jr. (Kilian) (1882-1951)
Son of Antonin; used the pseudonym Kilian for play. Master since 1921. Joseph (1862-1908) Nephew of Antonin Sr., brother of Jan. Jan (18??-1939)
Nephew of Antonin Sr., brother of Joseph. The 1891 Champion of UJCS Congress, ahead of Kotrc and Traxler. |
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| Oct-21-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: TheFocus, thanks for the 2 new consultation games! As to the 2 odds games, they're in my book, p 270. Also, maybe it's just me, but I found your listings of sources and games above confusing. For example, in this listing: 22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter) What Schlechter - Schubert game are your referring to? Is it game #751 in the Schlechter database on this site? Or is it a game you posted that I may have overlooked? Also, the annual Trebitsch Tourneys, beginning with 1915, were essentially mini matches (the earlier Trebitsch Tourneys were either single or double round robins): in the 1915 event the players played 3 games against each other; in the 1916-1917 event they played 6 games; and in the 1917-1918 event they played 4 games. So in this listing: Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter) Is this a reference to a Schlechter database game here? If so, which? May I make a suggestion? If you post a game, please include the source info with the game. Or, if you refer to a game in the Schlechter database, please give the game #. Do you see my dilemma? Any clarification would be very welcome. |
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Oct-21-09
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| TheFocus: <Tassilo Lasa> On September 28 and on September 29, I listed all the games that I had and ChessGames had that were not available in your book. <22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter)> <What Schlechter - Schubert game are your referring to? Is it game #751 in the Schlechter database on this site? Or is it a game you posted that I may have overlooked?> Yes, this is indeed game #751. In my sources list, I did not credit ChessGames as having it, although I did credit them in the September 29th post. <Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter)Is this a reference to a Schlechter database game here? If so, which?> This is game #755. Vidmar played Schlechter six times. In your book, you have three of those games. One game is lost, ChessGames has one and I have the other. Here is what I will do. I will re-list all the games with game-scores that I have and give you what number they are in ChessGames and any additional sources. You may want to refer to my earlier post of September 29 when I gave all the game-scores that I had. <TheFocus, thanks for the 2 new consultation games! As to the 2 odds games, they're in my book, p 270.>
Although I knew you did not have the consultation games, I did not check for the odds games because Quarterly for Chess History said they were new and I did not verify this. Maybe Vlastimil Fiala needs a copy of your book. |
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Oct-22-09
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| vonKrolock: In the second game at odds posted above Oct 20, after <1.e4 e5 2. c4 f6 3.d4 exd4 4. f3 c5 5.O-O d6 6.c3 O-O 7.cxd4> text 7...b6 may be a typo , while 7... b6 makes much more sense<Gypsy>: Thanks again |
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Oct-22-09
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| TheFocus: <vonKrolock> You are right. It was a typo. Thanks for the correction. 8.a4 was meant to attack the Bishop and 8...a5 put a stop to that. I don't know why Quarterly for Chess History posted these odds games as "new games." In <Tassilo Lasa>'s book on Schlechter, he gives three of the folowing sources for each of these games: Spielmann, Kagan, Verhovsky or DZS. Quarterly also gave the wrong date (1912), while 1908 was clearly indicated by <Tassilo Lasa>. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| badenbaden: Reti: «Nuevas Ideas en Ajedrez»
<El estilo de Schlechter
-Escrito con motivo de la muerte de Schlechter (1918) "Schlechter era la antítesis exacta de dicha concepción. Se mantenía apartado de clubs y cafes en la medida que se lo permitía su profesión. Prefería vivir en el campo, donde llenaba sus ratos de ocio con el Arte y la Ciencia. Su corazón y su alma estaban totalmente enfocados hacia la naturaleza, y es precisamente el reflejo de su amor a la naturaleza el que imprime este encanto particular a sus producciones. Sus partidas se caracterizan por la anchura de sus concepciones, del mismo modo que los troncos de los árboles del bosque y sus ramas se extienden hacia los espacios abiertos. Así era como Schlechter desplegaba sus fuerzas: poderosamente y, como la naturaleza, aparentemente sin objeto. En su juego, no había lugar para trampas y planes ocultos, sino tan sólo para un sano desarrollo. Tampoco había prisa indebida u obstinación en una idea fija, sino armonía en el desarrollo. Las combinaciones de Schlechter no se parecen en nada a las rosas de cultivo artificial que sorprenden a cualquiera por su belleza pero que le parecen demasiado esplendorosas al auténtico amante de la naturaleza; antes bien, son como humildes y escondidas flores silvestres que producen un mayor placer al tener que ser descubiertas. Al jugador de ajedrez le encantará hundirse en las profundas partidas de Schlechter, donde, junto a la inmensidad y la sencillez natural, hallará la graciosa ligereza del arte y de la música vieneses, las deslumbrantes combinaciones de los maestros clásicos y, asimismo, el juego posicional de los jóvenes maestros desarrollado en sus mínimos y más sutiles detalles."> |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| badenbaden: Un pequeńo regalo para uno de los grandes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyF7... |
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| Nov-08-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: badenbaden: Reti's understanding of, and insight into Schlechter is beautifully lyrical in any language! |
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Jan-14-10
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| keypusher: Tim Harding writes a retrospective about 1910, including the Schlechter-Lasker match. No great revelations, but I didn't realize that Assiac/Heinrich Fraenkel had discussed the match with Lasker (who said it was for the title, with no two-point clause). http://www.chesscafe.com/Tim/kibb.htm |
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Jan-14-10
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| paulalbert: As far as I know, there is no evidence for the 2 win margin theory, but substantial evidence to the contrary. Paul Albert |
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Jan-14-10
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| chancho: <That last and truly sensational game certainly was uncommonly 'wild' in many ways and on both sides. It is all very well to say that Lasker, by dint of his dominating personality and shrewd psychology, forced his opponent to step out of character,as it were, and for once to throw caution to the winds and to wrestle with him on that narrow edge of the precipice where ultimately the stronger character, the harder will-power, the steadier nerves would prevail. To some extent, all this is quite true; but in fairness to Schlechter's noble character it should be added that in that one game he was not unwilling to be dragged into adventures uncongenial to his character and style. He too wanted to avoid a draw. He did not want to win the match on the strength of Lasker's unlucky slip in the fifth game. He was loath to win the World Championship by 'a fluke'. He wished to earn the title the hard way, and in trying to do so, this frail and amiable Viennese put up a truly heroic fight.> Emanuel Lasker
The Life of a Chess Master |
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Jan-14-10
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| acirce: <He too wanted to avoid a draw. He did not want to win the match on the strength of Lasker's unlucky slip in the fifth game. He was loath to win the World Championship by 'a fluke'.> How silly isn't this idea? |
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Jan-14-10
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| chancho: They had a different mindset back then I suppose. |
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| Jan-15-10 |
| nuwanda: hi <chancho>
to me this theory makes sense, its fits well in my picture of the personality of Carl Schlechter. its also supported by Thomas Glavinic in his novel "Carl Haffners Love Of The Draw" about Carl Schlechter and especially about the worldchampionship of 1910. by the way, a marvelous book, which i highly recommend. greets |
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| Jan-15-10 |
| Petrosianic: <They had a different mindset back then I suppose.> Possibly. Although if you were worried about that, you could just grant Lasker a speedy rematch. If he were trying to do Lasker a favor, it didn't really work out that way, in light of the whole 2-point clause talk. The smoking gun has never been found, but this is the exact same issue that broke up the Capablanca-Lasker negotiations a year later. That, coupled with the unusual situation of the Drawing Master not wanting a draw, and the usually cagey Lasker putting up his title in a mere 10 game match without some kind of extra precaution have left questions about this match that will probably never be answered. Which is a shame, because despite the draws, it's a really good match, full of long, hard-fought games. The average length is over 50 moves per game, so they didn't draw through lack of trying to win. They were just very evenly matched. |
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| Jan-15-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: <Petrosianic: Which is a shame, because despite the draws, it's a really good match, full of long, hard-fought games. The average length is over 50 moves per game, so they didn't draw through lack of trying to win. They were just very evenly matched.> <Bridgeburner> has done the analysis of the first 8 games of the Lasker-Schlechter World Championship Match (1910) Below is the summary: Game 1 Schlechter vs Lasker, 1910: is weighted at <0> (no blunders or bad moves by either Schlechter or Lasker). Game 2 Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910: is weighted at <0>, representing 0 bad move and 0 blunders by Lasker, and 0 bad moves and 0 blunders by Schlechter. Game 3 Schlechter vs Lasker, 1910: is weighted at <0>, representing no errors, blunders, or dubious moves by either Schlechter or Lasker. Game 4 Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910: weighting is <5.0>, (no bad moves and 1 blunder by Lasker and 1 bad move and 1 blunder by Schlechter; no dubious moves by either player. Game 5 Schlechter vs Lasker, 1910: is weighted at <6.5> representing <<1 blunder (2.0) plus 1 dubious move (0.5)>> by Schlechter plus <<2 blunders (2 x 2.0 = 4.0)>> by Lasker. Game 6 Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910: is weighted at <1.0> representing <<1 dubious move>> (0.5) by Schlechter plus <<1 dubious move>> (0.5) by Lasker. Game 7 Schlechter vs Lasker, 1910: is weighted at <1>, representing 1 bad move and 0 blunders by Lasker, and 0 bad moves and 0 blunders by Schlechter. Game 8 Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910: the error weighting for this game is <0>. In comparisons, here is a summary of the analysis of four games from the Anand-Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) Game 1 Kramnik vs Anand, 2008: is weighted <0> at representing 0 blunders, 0 bad moves, and 0 dubious moves by both Anand or Kramnik. Game 2 Anand vs Kramnik, 2008: is weighted at <3.0>, representing 0 blunders, 1 bad move, and 1 dubious move by Anand, and 0 blunders, 1 bad move and 1 dubious move by Kramnik. Game 3 Kramnik vs Anand, 2008: weighting is <6.5>, representing <<1 blunder>> by Anand and <<2 blunders>> and <<1 dubious move>> by Kramnik. Game 5 Kramnik vs Anand, 2008: is weighted at <2.5> representing a <<1 dubious move>> (0.5) plus <<1 blunder>> (2.0) by Kramnik>. Anand made no blunders, or bad or dubious moves as defined in the project method. Details are in Bridgeburner chessforum |
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| Jan-15-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: I think that the study above will vindicate and give some historical justice to the often underestimated and overlooked Schlechter. |
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