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Oct-07-09
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| Calli: Johann Kotrč is the name as given by Berger in Schach Jahrbuch for 1899. Of course, Jan is just short for Johann, The full entry is: Kotrč, Johann, in Prag,Väclavska ulice 25; Sekretär des Öesky spolek sachovni; P Prag 86 Vierz.-T. I, Frankfurt 87 Dreiz.-T. II get, Z.-P.; starker Spieler, H Pilsen 87 I, Prag 86 (Gruppen-T.) I, 91 II u. III get., Dresden 92 IV—VI get.; E; E u. Hg. der Sz. Ceske listy sachove seit 1896. |
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| Oct-07-09 |
| TheFocus: <Calli> Good information. Kotrc is listed as Kotrc, Jan. in WSZ 1900 cross-table. I did not know if that was short for Janos or what. |
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Oct-08-09
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| vonKrolock: The article in the swedish (Spielmsnn's) book is the work of a <"Prof. Ernst in Memmingen">, who acknowledged the assistance of O. Korschett in finding Schlechter's <'first twomover, first threemover, first fourmover, his < note:presumably then> only selfmate, and his "only humoristic problem" (actually a little Retractor using both castle and 'en passant' features)> numbered I to V and given without diagrams. Then follows <(yes!)> 17 entries in diagrams, with solutions, analysis and more examples for comparison, given also without diagrams, so the number in Spielmann's book rise to near fifty.
Ernst's work is excellent, finding correct sources for many of the compositions given in Kagan's draft of a book, plus important examples not found there, and one or another improved version of a problem that arrived to present a cook (f. i. one of the fourmovers)... Verkhovsky ignored the article in the swedish book, and gave 43 of the Kagan's total of 171, atributing to each one a <BK> number = Bernhard Kagan. the fourty-fourth sample in the russian book is the threemover from "Tidskrift för Schack" 1910 that we showed here already in Carl Schlechter page 7. This one is the only featured in Verkhovsky that lacks in both Kagan & Spielmann, but it was already well known, for instance it was given in Herbert Grasemann's book "Schach Ohne Partner" |
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Oct-08-09
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| vonKrolock: quote from page 7 Carl Schlechter <'O. Koch, in Spielmann's Schlechter Book' from 1924, etc> erratum, better reading <'<<Prof. Ernst>,in Spielmann's Schlechter Book' from 1924, filled in partly those gaps, but just for a few of the scores etc'>>> My mistake, when quoting by memory - Pastor Koch is mentioned in the article, but is not it's author |
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| Oct-08-09 |
| TheFocus: Would anyone that has the Kagan book like to start a page with Schlechter's problems? Share, baby, share! |
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Oct-09-09
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| vonKrolock: <TheFocus>: < Cleveland, we have SOME problems!!!>
That's a good idea, convert all to forsyth and computer proof too ... I'll search for those old photocopies (hope they are still legible, in a dry spot of the famous attic) . In the meantime You can enjoy and study quite a few of Schlechter's problems in the online databases: Meson http://www.bstephen.me.uk/index.php... search for composer (around 20 by CS) CPDS http://www.softdecc.com/pdb/index.pdb search for author A='Schlechter' Christian Poisson's cd 'WinChloe' may contain some too |
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Oct-11-09
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| vonKrolock: <Verkhovsky> Author of that specific article in the Russian book was Victor Chepizhni. <ignored the ... swedish book> Yes. Otherwise he would, mention Prof. Ernst in Memmingen, maybe include at least one fourmover, and surelly follow the corrections in the headings (source, date etc) of some of the two- and threemovers <atributing to each one a <BK> number = Bernhard Kagan> No. Memory can betray in the detail... I myself was who atributed a <BK> number to a given positiion when glanced at the collection in the mid-eighties ... < in a dry spot of the famous attic> Not yet. Fighting with the loxosceles spiders, the darkness and some time shortage... But we'll arrive hopefully |
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| Oct-14-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: I've been looking over some of the games posted here by Gypsy and TheFocus. As much as I enjoy going over any Schlechter game I don't have, it's very problemmatic to accept unverified game scores as the genuine article. In my book, I refer to such games as unverified database scores. If either Gypsy or TheFocus can site the source/s of the games, that would be much appreciated! |
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| Oct-14-09 |
| TheFocus: <Tassilo Lasa> <I've been looking over some of the games posted here by Gypsy and TheFocus. As much as I enjoy going over any Schlechter game I don't have, it's very problemmatic to accept unverified game scores as the genuine article. In my book, I refer to such games as unverified database scores. If either Gypsy or TheFocus can site the source/s of the games, that would be much appreciated!> Well, <Gypsy> did cite his sources: <Both games were published in Sachove listy, 1902 (p7 and p9, respectively) and can be also found in the Jan Kalendovsky's Duras-monograph. (Louma reproduces only the win by Duras, so I had to scramble to uncover my misplaced Kalendovsky.)> Specifically, "The Complete Games of Oldrich Duras" - J. Kalendovsky, 1997; and "Oldrich Duras" - J. Louma, 1954. The last game I cited, Schlechter - Pelisek is from Sachove listy, 1902, pg. 141. My other sources will be from American Chess Bulletin, Quarterly for Chess History, Ostende 1906 - Jimmy Adams, and the Trebitsch memorial book. I will specify each of these in the next two days. <Tassilo Lasa> Will you post the dozen games you say have been sent to you? I am sure we are all interested in having those. |
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| Oct-17-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: As I said in previous notes, the details, including page numbers, regarding the source/s of a game are absolutely neccesary for authentication. Anyone can create a database of games, but authenticating a game can take time, patience, and resources. I've accumulated over 3 dozen (and counting) new games not in my book. Some have been sent to me, about a dozen. Most I've found through further acquisition of material, including Gillam's book on Ostende 1906, as well as Google's remarkable digital libary of old chess magazines and books. However, there's still a lot of Schlechter games I'd like to get. And, like I said in an earlier post, I haven't looked closely yet at the database of Schlechter games on this site. Dale Brandreth has encouraged me to publish an addendum to my book - to provide corrections as well as additional games. I haven't decided yet whether to do that. However, I'd like to make an offer to the members of this Schlechter forum - if I do decide to publish an addendum, then anyone who provides me with new game/s (that I don't have), including the details of authentication, will receive a free signed copy of the addendum. I haven't figured out the details yet, but I will need either hard copy of the game, including the title page of the source, or, if electronic, then a digital copy of the game and title page of the source. In the next couple of weeks I will start listing what I'm looking for. As to sharing what I have, if I don't publish the addendum, then I am certainly willing to share the new games with this forum anyway. |
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Oct-17-09
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| Gypsy: < Calli: Johann KotrÄŤ is the name as given by Berger in Schach Jahrbuch for 1899. Of course, Jan is just short for Johann,...> In this case, <Jan> is not an abbreviation; it is the (full) Czech version of English <John>, German <Johann>, and so on. |
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Oct-18-09
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| Calli: <Gypsy> Good point. I wonder why Berger translated the forename? Normally, Germans don't. Spanish writers often do, i.e., "Pablo Morphy". Perhaps Kotrč himself entered the Hauptturniers using "Johann" to make things easier. |
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Oct-18-09
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| Gypsy: <Calli> I'd be only guessing. Kotrc soon afterward resettled in Vienna and lived there for the next 40 years. He was obviously completely fluent in both languages. Jan Kotrc (1862-1943) was the nucleus around whom the Czech chess club life first formed from informal gatherings in Jedlicka Coffehouse starting about 1882. He started two chess magazines, the later one, Ceske sachove listy (1896), came through several transformations and still survives as Ceskoslovensky sach; also started a number of a chess columns in various periodicals, and authored or co-authored chess textbooks (some in Czech, a number in German). Kotrc was a brother-in-law of Karel Traxler. (One can surmise that Kotrc married a sister of Traxler, as father Traxler was a priest.) Kotrc was of solid master strength; in 1892 played in the congress of Deutscher Schachbund -- handily won the preliminaries, finished 4th in the main tournament; in 1899 was invited to play Kolish Memorial tournament of Austro-Hungarian masters in Vienna -- finished with 50% (5.5/11) among famous players such as Maroczy, Schlechter, Marco, Wolfe, Alapin, ...; published at least 110 of his own problem compositions. |
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| Oct-19-09 |
| TheFocus: <Tassilo Lasa> Outstanding and commendable idea for the addendum. Here again are the games I had mentioned earlierwith my sources, but a good many of them are from an unconfirmed database I got on DanBase. I can provide according to your requirements the games from the book "20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968." The ones from Vlastimil Fiala must be credited to him and Quarterly for Chess History. There are two more consultation games and two simultaneous games in Quarterly for Chess History. I will post them here tomorrow. (CG) means here at ChessGames that I also had. (Focus) are ones I have that are not included here or in your book. Of course, I do not know what sources ChessGames used to obtain their games. I am not including Ostend 1906 as you have those already. Cologne 1898
1. S - Gottschall (CG) Source: Deutsche Schachzeitung 1899, pg. 44. (Published in Cologne 1898 – Fiala, V., 1997). Vienna 1899/1900
2. Zinkl - S (CG) Source: DanBase
3. S - Marco (CG) Source: DanBase
4. S - Popiel (CG) Source: DanBase
5. Prock - S (CG) Source: DanBase
6. S - Brody (CG) Source: DanBase
7. Maroczy - S (CG) Source: DanBase
8. Kotrc - S (CG) Source: DanBase
Vienna 1902
9. Maroczy - S (CG) Source: Danbase
Vienna 1905
10. Nimzowitsch - S (CG) Source: Quarterly for Chess History #4, 2000, pg. 331-332. Discovered by Vlastimil Fiala in the Prager Tagblatt, November 30, 1924. Vienna 1911/1912
11. Loewy - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
12. S - Albin (Focus) Source: DanBase
13. Albin - S (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 18-19. (notes by Schlechter) Vienna 1913
14. Reti - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
15. S - Reti (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 16. S - Tartakower (CG) Source: DanBase Vienna 1913 (5th Trebitsch)
17. S - Reti (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 18. Schara - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
19. S - Kirschen (Focus) Source: DanBase
1915 Vienna (7th Trebitsch)
20. S - Marco (CG) Source: DanBase
21. Kaufmann - S (CG) Source: DanBase
22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter) Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter) 23. Vidmar - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
24. S - Kaufmann (position and moves - Focus) Source: DanBase 25. Kaufmann - S (CG) Source: DanBase Vienna 1917/1918 (9th Trebitsche)
26. Tartakower - S (CG)
27. Asztalos – S (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 334-31). (notes by Schlechter) Kaschau 1918
27. Brach - S (Focus) Source: DanBase
28. S - Breyer (CG) Source: DanBase |
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| Oct-20-09 |
| TheFocus: For all the Schlechter fans, here are four more unknown games courtesy of Vlastimil Fiala at the Quarterly for Chess Histor. Enjy!! Schlechter – N.N.
Falkbeer Countergambit
Vienna Chess Club, 1912
(odds of Queen’s Knight)
1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.c4 c6 6.d4 Nh5 7.Bd3 cxd5 8.O-O Bd6 9.Re1+ Kf8 10.Ne5 Qh4 11.cxd5 Nd7 12.Nc4 Bb4 13.Bd2 Bxd2 14.Qxd2 g5 15.Re8+ Kg7 16.Rxc8 Raxc8 17.Nd6 Kf6 18.Nf5 Qg4 19.Qb4 Ng7 20.Qd6+ Ne6 21.dxe6 fxe6 22.Qe7+ 1-0. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #7, 2001, pg. 562. (St. Petersburger Herold, January 14, 1913). Schlechter – N.N.
Bishop’s Opening
Vienna Chess Club, 1912
(odds of Queen’s Knight)
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.O-O d6 6.c3 O-O 7.cxd4 b6 8.a4 a5 9.Bg5 Bg4 10.Ra3 Nc6 11.d5 Nd4 12.Rd3 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bd7 14.f4 Qe7 15.Rg3 Kh8 16.Bd3 Bd4 17.Bb1 Bc5 18.Qc2 Qe8 19.e5 Bxa4 20.Bxf6 Bxc2 21.Rxg7 Qd8 22.Bxc2 Qxf6 23.Rxh7+ Kg8 24.exf6 Bd4 25.Kh1 1-0. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #7, 2001, pg. 562. (St. Petersburger Herold, January 14, 1913). Kotrc, Kvicala & Popov – Moucka,, Schlechter & Vesely
Scotch Game
Prague, 1896
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bd3 d5 7.Qe2 Be7 8.e5 Nd7 9.Bf4 Rb8 10.b3 Nc5 11.Nd2 O-O 12.O-O f6! 13.Rad1 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 fxe5 15.Bxe5 Bd6 16.Bb2 Qh4 17.g3 Qh6 18.c4 Bf5 19.Qd4 Rbe8 20.Rfe1 Bc5! 21.Qf4 g5 22.Qf3 Be4 0-1. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #10, 2004, pg. 28, from an unnamed Czech chess column. Moucka & Schlechter – Kotrc & Pollack
Spanish Game
Prague, 1896
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nd5 Bc5 7.O-O O-O 8.c3 Nxe4 9.Bc2 Nf6 10.Ng5 h6 11.Nxf6 Qxf6 12.Nh7 Qe7 13.Nxf8 Qxf8 14.Kh1 d5 15.f4 d4 16.fxe5 Nxe5 17.Qh5 Qd6 18.Bb3 Bg4 19.Bxf7 Kh8 20.Qh4 Rf8 0-1. Source: Quarterly for Chess History, #10, 2004, pg. 29, from an unnamed Czech chess column. |
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Oct-21-09
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| vonKrolock: Very kind, <TheFocus> - <Kvicala>: Dr. Jan Kvicala , or Antonin Kvicala - or perhaps a third ?! |
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Oct-21-09
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| vonKrolock: By the way, in that drawing with the portrait of Czech Composers, we find also Jan Kotrc and Frantisek Moucka a. o. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F... |
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Oct-21-09
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| Gypsy: <vonKrolock>
It seem that there were at least 4 national-master level players and/or problem composers from the Kvicala 'clan' (Kweetchala is a reasonable phonetic transcription). Kvicalas:
Antonin (1847-1908)
Co-founder and the first chairman of Czech Chess Union (UJCS). Noted also for his blindfold play skills. Antonin Jr. (Kilian) (1882-1951)
Son of Antonin; used the pseudonym Kilian for play. Master since 1921. Joseph (1862-1908) Nephew of Antonin Sr., brother of Jan. Jan (18??-1939)
Nephew of Antonin Sr., brother of Joseph. The 1891 Champion of UJCS Congress, ahead of Kotrc and Traxler. |
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| Oct-21-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: TheFocus, thanks for the 2 new consultation games! As to the 2 odds games, they're in my book, p 270. Also, maybe it's just me, but I found your listings of sources and games above confusing. For example, in this listing: 22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter) What Schlechter - Schubert game are your referring to? Is it game #751 in the Schlechter database on this site? Or is it a game you posted that I may have overlooked? Also, the annual Trebitsch Tourneys, beginning with 1915, were essentially mini matches (the earlier Trebitsch Tourneys were either single or double round robins): in the 1915 event the players played 3 games against each other; in the 1916-1917 event they played 6 games; and in the 1917-1918 event they played 4 games. So in this listing: Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter) Is this a reference to a Schlechter database game here? If so, which? May I make a suggestion? If you post a game, please include the source info with the game. Or, if you refer to a game in the Schlechter database, please give the game #. Do you see my dilemma? Any clarification would be very welcome. |
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| Oct-21-09 |
| TheFocus: <Tassilo Lasa> On September 28 and on September 29, I listed all the games that I had and ChessGames had that were not available in your book. <22. S – Schubert (Focus) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 28-29. (notes by Schlechter)> <What Schlechter - Schubert game are your referring to? Is it game #751 in the Schlechter database on this site? Or is it a game you posted that I may have overlooked?> Yes, this is indeed game #751. In my sources list, I did not credit ChessGames as having it, although I did credit them in the September 29th post. <Vienna 1916/1917 (8th Trebitsch)
22. S - Vidmar (CG) Source: 20 Trebitsch – Gedenkturniere Wien 1907 – 1938 und Internationales Schachmeisterturnier Wien 1935 – M.A. Lachaga, 1968, pg. 30-31). (notes by Schlechter)Is this a reference to a Schlechter database game here? If so, which?> This is game #755. Vidmar played Schlechter six times. In your book, you have three of those games. One game is lost, ChessGames has one and I have the other. Here is what I will do. I will re-list all the games with game-scores that I have and give you what number they are in ChessGames and any additional sources. You may want to refer to my earlier post of September 29 when I gave all the game-scores that I had. <TheFocus, thanks for the 2 new consultation games! As to the 2 odds games, they're in my book, p 270.>
Although I knew you did not have the consultation games, I did not check for the odds games because Quarterly for Chess History said they were new and I did not verify this. Maybe Vlastimil Fiala needs a copy of your book. |
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Oct-22-09
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| vonKrolock: In the second game at odds posted above Oct 20, after <1.e4 e5 2. c4  f6 3.d4 exd4 4.f3 c5 5.O-O d6 6.c3 O-O 7.cxd4> text 7...b6 may be a typo , while 7...b6 makes much more sense<Gypsy>: Thanks again |
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| Oct-22-09 |
| TheFocus: <vonKrolock> You are right. It was a typo. Thanks for the correction. 8.a4 was meant to attack the Bishop and 8...a5 put a stop to that. I don't know why Quarterly for Chess History posted these odds games as "new games." In <Tassilo Lasa>'s book on Schlechter, he gives three of the folowing sources for each of these games: Spielmann, Kagan, Verhovsky or DZS. Quarterly also gave the wrong date (1912), while 1908 was clearly indicated by <Tassilo Lasa>. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| badenbaden: Reti: «Nuevas Ideas en Ajedrez»
<El estilo de Schlechter
-Escrito con motivo de la muerte de Schlechter (1918) "Schlechter era la antítesis exacta de dicha concepción. Se mantenía apartado de clubs y cafes en la medida que se lo permitía su profesión. Prefería vivir en el campo, donde llenaba sus ratos de ocio con el Arte y la Ciencia. Su corazón y su alma estaban totalmente enfocados hacia la naturaleza, y es precisamente el reflejo de su amor a la naturaleza el que imprime este encanto particular a sus producciones. Sus partidas se caracterizan por la anchura de sus concepciones, del mismo modo que los troncos de los árboles del bosque y sus ramas se extienden hacia los espacios abiertos. Así era como Schlechter desplegaba sus fuerzas: poderosamente y, como la naturaleza, aparentemente sin objeto. En su juego, no había lugar para trampas y planes ocultos, sino tan sólo para un sano desarrollo. Tampoco había prisa indebida u obstinación en una idea fija, sino armonía en el desarrollo. Las combinaciones de Schlechter no se parecen en nada a las rosas de cultivo artificial que sorprenden a cualquiera por su belleza pero que le parecen demasiado esplendorosas al auténtico amante de la naturaleza; antes bien, son como humildes y escondidas flores silvestres que producen un mayor placer al tener que ser descubiertas. Al jugador de ajedrez le encantará hundirse en las profundas partidas de Schlechter, donde, junto a la inmensidad y la sencillez natural, hallará la graciosa ligereza del arte y de la música vieneses, las deslumbrantes combinaciones de los maestros clásicos y, asimismo, el juego posicional de los jóvenes maestros desarrollado en sus mínimos y más sutiles detalles."> |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| badenbaden: Un pequeńo regalo para uno de los grandes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyF7... |
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| Nov-08-09 |
| Tassilo Lasa: badenbaden: Reti's understanding of, and insight into Schlechter is beautifully lyrical in any language! |
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