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Jun-16-03
 | | chessgames.com: This game never happened? That's a crying shame. I suppose we are duty bound now to delete it in the interest of accuracy. Or should we give it a special status, like we did with that other famous non-game, E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920 ? |
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Jun-16-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: Maybe (I would guess almost certainly) it happened more than once, but not in the game Schlechter-Perlis, Karlsbad 1911. It is a nice opening trap. |
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Jun-16-03
| | Honza Cervenka: The order of moves in actual game Schlechter-Perlis doesn't include 3...Nf6 4.e3. [Event "02"]
[Site "Karlsbad"]
[Date "1911-??-??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Schlechter Carl"]
[Black "Perlis Julius"]
[ECO "D11"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "90"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Bf5 4.Qb3 Qb6 5.cxd5 Qxb3 6.axb3 Bxb1 7.dxc6 Nxc6 8.Rxb1 e6 9.e3 Bb4+ 10.Bd2 Nge7 11.Bxb4 Nxb4 12.Bb5+ Nec6 13.Ke2 Ke7 14.Rhc1 Rhc8 15.Rc4 Rab8 16.Ra1 a6 17.Bxc6 bxc6 18.e4 Rb5 19.Ra4 a5 20.Rc5 Ra8 21.Ne5 f6 22.Rxb4 Rxb4 23.Nxc6+ Kd6 24.Nxb4 axb4 25.Rb5 Ra2 26.Rb6+ Kc7 27.Rxe6 Rxb2+ 28.Kd3 Kd8 29.Ra6 Rxf2 30.Ra8+ Ke7 31.Ra7+ Kf8 32.d5 Rxg2 33.d6 Ke8 34.Kc4 Rg5 35.Re7+ Kd8 36.Kxb4 h5 37.Kc4 h4 38.b4 Rg2 39.Ra7 Rxh2 40.Kd5 Re2 41.e5 Rd2+ 42.Ke6 Kc8 43.d7+ Kb8 44.Ra6 Kc7 45.Rd6 1-0 |
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Jun-16-03
| | chessgames.com: Thanks, Honza. |
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Jun-16-03
 | | Bears092: In a related note, Joe Gallagher used a similar trap many years later: Terentiev vs Gallagher, 1990 |
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| Aug-03-03 | | vinodr: hi all, i can't see any java script. there is a window that says 'download' or 'cancel' and if i press cancel, the chess board doesn't appear. and if i press download, it says that i have already downloaded it(dont know what 'it' is). please help |
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| Aug-03-03 | | BrandonIke: do you have the latest version of internet explorer or java?
have you enabled java windows or something like that in the options?
do you have enough ram memory?
on my computer there is no window for download or cancel, the board just shows up automatically. has this problem occurred before? check out help files online or ask your neighbor, rofl, costs big time to call a technician. |
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| Aug-03-03 | | Anonymous3637: What if 10...Kd7? |
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| Aug-03-03 | | ChessPraxis: <to anon> Then 11. cxb8 (=Q). When the White pawn moves to c7 it is with a double threat of Queening (on c8 and b8) and Black must allow at least one of them to happen. |
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Jan-26-04
| | InspiredByMorphy: Nice combination by Shlechter. I was once told by a chess master that "Schlecter is one of the greatest combinational geniuses of all time". More and more games by him are making me believe so. |
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Jan-27-04
 | | paulalbert: Carl Schlechter is not always given the credit he is due. It was no accident that he almost took the title from Emanuel Lasker in their match. I highly recommend the biography by Goldman. Schlechter's combinative and attacking genius shows up in many of the offhand games he played at the clubs and cafes in Vienna, many against the best players of the era, which are contained in this very definitive book. Paul Albert |
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Nov-04-04
 | | cu8sfan: I was just thinking that usually as the week progresses and puzzles get harder we go back in the game, so instead of a two-move combination we see a ten-move combination. So if it's opening trap week Sunday's puzzle will be 1.? White to move and win. (-: |
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| Nov-04-04 | | Kean: Schlechter vision of the board was amazing. A pawn with two paths! |
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| Nov-04-04 | | Marco65: <chessgames.com> If this game never happened why is it still there? It should be replaced by the score given by Honza Cervenka. Looking at chesslab.com I found that such a game was actually played in 1964 at Alma Ata, Komolstev-Arianov, so if you regret missing such a nice miniature you can replace it with that. |
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Nov-04-04
| | chessgames.com: The game that Honza posted is already in the database here: Schlechter vs J Perlis, 1911 We decided to keep this one for the same reason we keep E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920, although it never happened it's too beautiful to toss away. |
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| Nov-04-04 | | caseyclyde: Another beautiful fake is the well known "five queens" game of Alekhine in 1915 |
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Nov-04-04
 | | vonKrolock: What we have here is simply a fragment that pass for the entire game due to some editing quiproquo |
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Nov-04-04
 | | kevin86: A brilliant rook sac that cannot be accepted or declined! |
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Nov-04-04
 | | sneaky pete: So it's not a sacrifice at all, let alone a brilliant one. Just a three move deep combination that didn't even actually occur because black didn't cooperate. |
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| Nov-04-04 | | Rank Amateur: Where did Black go wrong in so short a game. 4 ... Bf5 makes the b pawn vulnerable to 5 Qb3. But does black even have to answer that threat? Shouldn't he just proceed with development? |
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Nov-04-04
 | | tamar: Falls into the classification of unheard melodies. Perlis thought he avoided being immortalized, but here it is! I side with chessgames and John Keats on the matter: "Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter:
Therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;" |
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| Nov-04-04 | | Dave Murray: I love it how the pawn queens on move 10. |
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Nov-05-04
| | kevin86: <sneaky pete> I meant that there was no escape to the combination. White gave up a rook-though his return was very quick. Would you then classify the Marshall sac of his queen as a NON-sac because-in the best defense,he ends up a piece ahead? Lewitsky,not wanting to take away the luster of FM's move,resigned on the spot! |
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Nov-05-04
| | sneaky pete: <kevin86> That's right, Marshall's famous ... Qg3 was the first move of a forcing combination, not a sacrifice.
The distinction between real sacifices and combinations (where an apparently sacrificial first move leads to mate or the gain of material) is not my idea. I learned it from "Richtig opfern!" by Rudolf Spielmann (if I remember right published in English as "The art of sacrifice"). |
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Dec-29-12
 | | FSR: After simply 6...cxd5, Black would have been good as a goldfish, as King Triton would say. |
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+ sac: 7.axb3