Regarding the Rubinstein-Alekhine Candidates match, I will list all the necessary information for you to source your text, whether you want to cover it more in detail or rather sketchy:

Publication: KARL 3/2013
(3 is the issue number, the magazine is published every 3 months)

Author: Toni Preziuso

Title: AMERIKA! AMERIKA!

Pages 34-39

The possible Candidates match was covered on pages 36-37

Match conditions: 'Hamburger Fremdenblatt', 24 December 1921

Alekhine's lie: 'Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant', 14 January 1922

Regarding Game Collection: WCC: Karpov-Kasparov 1984-85

Two very valuable resources:

Winter's "The Termination": http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

and

Yes, the starting point is obviously to sort out a reading list. Both of the Winter pieces are already on it, along with six or seven books I have ... but there's no shortage of material available on such a huge event. BCM's coverage alone is ten times the size of the report that would be required here, and seems at first glance to be extremely well balanced. The only difficulty I foresee is deciding what to put in and what to eliminate on size considerations.

I don't have any of those Kasparov books about his encounters with Karpov, but I'd have reservations about using anything with a scope for bias anyway.

I'll certainly let you know if I detect any information gaps, but for now it seems quite a straightforward task - not to say it can't be botched of course, but without a deadline, I'd have no excuses for doing so!!

<The Dragon Always Rings Twice>

Ok I sent you an email and a "test delivery" as well.

As always, take your time. Possibly this gentleman is a good role model in this respect:

I have switched to the hard stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuBi...

<The Dragon Always rings Twice>

There is a new French doucumentary about the Karpov-Kasparov duels by Jean-Charles Deniau and Frédéric Gazeau: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsca...

Thanks <Karpova>.

<Karpova> I could use some clarification here on this passage:

<In January 1922, Alekhine travelled to the Netherlands, declaring to take the ship to Havana and directly negotiate with Capablanca. In this case, a candidates match was unnecessary.

After his arrival in the Netherlands, Alekhine spread the news in the 'Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courrant' (NRC) that a match against Akiva would not take place, as Rubinstein was mentally disturbed and had been admitted to a sanatorium after the tournament in Triburg.>

So Alkhine already was not considering the match a "candidates event" before he got to the Netherlands? He was already planning to negotiate directly with Capablanca?

The Dutch got the idea for a candidates match after The Hague (1921). Alekhine wanted to challenge Capablanca directly, but the Cuban granted Rubinstein the privilege of the first challenge. At the Triberg closing ceremony, Oskam, after getting permission from both masters, asked van Linschoten for financial support. At Triberg, Alekhine and Rubinstein let van Linschoten know that they were willing to play such a match under the conditions given. The match wouldn't take place prior to March 1922. When travelling to the Netherlands in January 1922, Alekhine's goal was to take a ship to Havana and negotiate with Capablanca directly. So he spread the false news to end the match. It's not clear if he was ever interested in playing the match, or if he changed his mind between Triberg and January 1922.

Since the question of when he changed his mind is pure speculation, isn't it irrelevant for the draft anyway? To me it seems that the important facts are:

a) Rubinstein and Alekhine agree to play a Candidates match.

b) The Dutch chess community is willing to finance it.

<Karpova>

<Karpova>

I'm now continuing to go through the first few paragraphs of Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927 word by word to make sure I have all of the sources listed correctly, and to make sure I have the chronology precisely correct. If you remember from the last time you looked at this mirror, you might notice that I have now corrected a few of my own previous errors.

I have a question concerning chronology.

When you earlier wrote to me:

<Publication: KARL 3/2013
(3 is the issue number, the magazine is published every 3 months)

Author: Toni Preziuso

Title: AMERIKA! AMERIKA!

Pages 34-39

The possible Candidates match was covered on pages 36-37

Capablanca's accepting the challenge: London 'Times' of September 29, 1921

Conditions of the candidate match: 'Hamburger Fremdenblatt' of December 24, 1921

Alekhine's false assertion: 'NRC' of January 14, 1922

Repudiation and rectification: 'NRC' of January 16, 1922>>

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By <Capablanca's accepting the challenge: London 'Times' of September 29, 1921>, do you mean Capablanca accepting Rubinstein's challenge for the title, or do you mean that's when Capablanca accepted the validity of the proposed "candidates match" between Alekhine and Rubinstein?

Does the KARL article say when Capablanca recognized the validity of the Dutch "candidates match"? When exactly was the "candidates match" first suggested, and when exactly was the date that Capablanca accept the validity of this match?

<Karpova>

Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927

Preziuso also has Capablanca accepting Rubinstein's challenge in a letter written on 7 September 1921, but in his article, the letter as it was published in the London 'Times' of 29 September 1921, is translated.

The timeline was as follows:

Capablanca accepted Rubinstein's challenge on 7 September 1921.

After The Hague (1921) (26 October to 4 November 1921), the Dutch chess officials got the idea to arrange a candidates tournament.

Both masters agreed to the match and conveyed the conditions at Triberg. Source for this is the 'Hamburger Fremdenblatt' of 24 December 1921, and Triberg took place in December 1921. Alekhine didn't participate though.

The match would not take place prior to March 1922.

Thanks for such a speedy response.

Ok so to get the chronology completely straight-

Alekhine and Rubinstein agreed to play the match shortly after <The Hague 1921>, but then agreed to the actual conditions of the match which were stated during the December <Triberg-B> tournament (which Alekhine did not play)?

<Karpova> This might seem like niggling, but if we can find this detail I believe it's important to the chronology.

Alekhine first challenged Capablanca on November 7, 1921, while he was still physically present in the city of The Hague. We know this because he lists "The Hague" on the letterhead of the letter he dated Nov.7 and sent to Capablanca.

Alekhine agreed to play the candidates match after <The Hague 1921> which ended on November 4, 1921.

So my question is, did Alekhine agree to this match before, or after November 7, 1921?

I think this detail is important, because if Alekhine challenged Capablanca *after* he had already agreed to first play a candidates match against Rubinstein, this might indicate that he already wasn't taking the proposed match seriously.

This would then foreshadow his later false claim against Rubinstein as an excuse to avoid the candidates match.

<Karpova>

Ok this is how I currently have the relevant paragraph:

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Alekhine now conceived a long term plan to become world champion. His strategy was to finish first in every tournament he entered and so earn the right to challenge Capablanca, whom he predicted would soon be champion.<"Shakhmaty v SSSR” No.3 (March 1956), pp.87-89. In Sarah Beth Cohen, "Encounters with Alekhine" http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/e... > After winning Budapest (1921) and The Hague (1921), on November 7, 1921 he challenged Capablanca, who had won the <world championship> in April of that year -<insert match link here Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921)> <"Manhattan Chess Club Archives." In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland 1989), p.186> On September 7, 1921 Capablanca had already accepted in principle an earlier challenge from Rubinstein. In addition, after The Hague (1921), Dutch chess officials proposed a "Candidates Match" between Alekhine and Rubinstein, to be held in the Netherlands.<Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland 1989), pp.186-187; Toni Preziuso, "AMERIKA! AMERIKA!" In "KARL" no.3 2013, pp.34-39.> In December 1921 the "American Chess Bulletin" reported that Capablanca would honor Rubinstein's challenge first, unless the proposed Dutch candidates match should produce a "decisive victory for one or the other." <Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland 1989), pp.186-187> At first Alekhine agreed to a match against Rubinstein, slated to be played some time in or after March 1922. When Alekhine arrived in the Netherlands in January 1922, he stated he would now sail to Havana in order to negotiate directly with Capablanca. He explained that a candidates match was no longer possible because Rubinstein had been admitted to a mental asylum, due to a breakdown suffered after winning <Triberg-B>. Shortly afterwards this claim was proven to be false, but the candidates match was never played. <Toni Preziuso, "AMERIKA! AMERIKA!" In "KARL" no.3 2013, pp.34-39>.

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This lists the facts in correct chronology without having to discuss which came first- Alekhine's agreement to play a candidates match or Alekhine's challenge to Capablanca.

Preziuso mentions that Aekhine wanted to challenge Capablanca, especially after The Hague (1921), but he received the answer that Rubinstein had the privilege.

The chronology is not clear. He says that the Dutch chess officials got the idea during The Hague, and asked van Linschoten during the closing ceremony - with approval from both masters.

Then came the conditions, about one month later.