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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: Current position with Black to play 9...?
click for larger viewI suspect that 9...Kxe6 loses quickly. His Majesty needs to return to the back rank. I like 9...Ke8 better than ...Kg8 for two reasons: mobility of the h8 rook, and the absence of available material to block checks along the a2-g8 diagonal. Note that in all events, putting the white Queen on h5 to check our King when he's at e8 is stopped simply by ...g6 So let's assume we move 9...Ke8
click for larger viewI think at this point we're ok. I've looked at several lines. 10. exd7 Bxd7. At this point various white moves are possible, but nothing that cool heads can't counter. We have a pawn in hand, a passed pawn on d6, and the bishop pair as compensation for the holes in our aircraft. [Position after 10.exd7 Bxd7:]
click for larger viewIn the alternative, white could choose not to take our Knight, but instead continue some threats, which generally involve exploiting our weak f7 by moving Ng5 and then putting the white Queen on the a2-g8 diagonal. 10. Ng5 Nde5 [necessary, as I mentioned before, to protect f7] 11.Qb3 [threatening 12.Nf7 with a fork of our Q and R] 11...Nd4 [seems to end the threat. 10. Ng5 Nde5 11.Qc2 [threatening h7] 11...g6
10. Ng5 Nde5 11.Qd5 then either 11...Nb4 or 11...Q[somewhere on the dark diagonal] [to break up the fork] or 11...Rg7 [also to break up the fork] In both cases where our N is used to counterpunch the white Queen [11...Nd4 in the first variation above, or 11...Nb4 in the last one], the white Queen could go to a4 [or b5, depending on the variation] with an apparent fork of our King and Knight. But retreating the Knight to c6 fixes that. In short, the threats following 10.Ng5 can be countered. They leave white a whole piece down. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: It has been proposed that <where the opponent's move is forced (or pretty much forced), write: "If you play 9) ...., then we will respond 10) ...." Or just -- "If ...., then ...."
A common practice which helps to speed things up, and grease the wheels in general.> In other words, if we make a move, and as a result, White's next move is forced, we also indicate what our next move will be. As long as it's truly forced, I have no objection. But even if White's next move is merely <pretty much forced> (whatever that means), I don't want to give away our strategy. Chances are they'll see it anyway, but heck... this should be as much like OTB as possible. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, time for a head-count. Robin plainly voted for Kg8, and sitzkrieg seems to have done so, too. The other three of us have expressly or impliedly voted for Ke8. I'm going to go to sleep now, and check online again in the morning Sunday (Eastern US time) and I'd like to see confirmation of what your votes are (especially <Robin01> and <sitzkrieg>). Frankly, I see Ke8 as the best move and the majority vote. If I'm wrong, you need to talk me out of it. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | Robin01: I looked at it again, and I see no problems with 9...Ke8 here. I just thought the king might be safer over in the corner. But that may not be the case. So 9...Ke8 is also a good move as far as I can see. So either 9...Ke8 or 9...Kg8 look okay as far as I can see. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: Ok. It is 11:50 a.m. here. I have to leave at 12:50 to go play in the Pittsburgh Chess League. I could be gone for a while (45 minutes travel each way, and up to 5 hours for the game given the time control). Should we post our move before I leave? Or should I deputize you? Your thoughts? |
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| Jan-15-06 | | NakoSonorense: I say go for 9...Ke8 |
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Jan-15-06
 | | WannaBe: I vote for Ke8. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | Robin01: We have all pretty much agreed on 9...Ke8, so maybe one of us should post it. I think our captain has delegated that authority for this move if we reach a majority, and I think we have. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ke8 is maybe not bad too. But i don't see the point of, f.e. rook mobility. After Kg8 the rook can be brought into play other ways (h5 with attack!:)). I don't like our king in the centre, but with the 2 centerpawns we can probably sit it out. Post Ke8, there is a majority. |
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Jan-15-06
| | WannaBe: Okie Dokie, as expected, 
click for larger viewWe'll go with Bxd7, yes? I expect white to 0-0. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: I like Bxd7. No reason here to be leading with our Queen, and besides, she looks happy with the a5-d8 diagonal open for business. That's 3 votes for Bxd7 <Nako Sonorense>, <WannaBe> and myself. No hurry now to make the move, since we've made one already today. But as soon as we hear from <Robin01> and <sitzkreig>, we can go ahead. |
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Jan-15-06
| | WannaBe: Aye, Aye, Capt'n, go get a beer and enjoy the Carolina-Bears game! |
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| Jan-15-06 | | sitzkrieg: I like Kxd7 , just to say something different. |
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Jan-15-06
| | WannaBe: <sitzkrieg> Oh sure, be different. =) Did you have fun this weekend? |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkreig> of course, ...Kf7 looks tasty and expeditious! :-) |
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| Jan-15-06 | | Robin01: 10.Bxd7 is my vote. How did you do at the Pittsburgh Chess League? |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: My opponent forfeited my league game, so I got paired against a young fellow rated 1293. He pulled out the fried liver attack and I weathered the storm and beat him. Not unlike our game here with a flurry of early checks and my King caught in the middle the entire game. Plus, the Steelers won! |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, we have 4 votes for Bxd7, with <sitzkreig> out for a walk with the King :) I'll post it early tomorrow morning, while drinking my coffee. That'll meet our time control for tomorrow and maybe we'll get another move in later on. |
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Jan-15-06
| | WannaBe: <RonB52734: ... I weathered the storm and beat him. Not unlike our game here with a flurry of early checks...> Good sign, good sign. =) |
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| Jan-15-06 | | Robin01: Defeated the old fried liver attack; good job. I prefer fried chicken myself. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: It was my first serious game against the fried liver. Odd game... my Knight took the a1 Rook on move 10 (pretty standard defense to the FLA) and stayed there until I managed to trade it for a bishop on move 34! |
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| Jan-15-06 | | misguidedaggression: I hate playing either side of the fried liver. And that's the 3rd game fried liver game I know of that was played in league today... unless the one I saw analyzed was the one you played. I can't remember who won. But, don't retake on d5 with the knight, there are much better 5th moves: ...Na5, ...Nd4, and ...b4 are all far superior. If you're looking to have fun in a highly unbalanced position, I prefer the Traxler 4...Bc5!? It gives black the initiative, and it's usually white whose king is out in the middle of the board. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: <misguided> Yeah, I saw on the Opening Explorer when I got home tonight that 5...Na5 was a far higher percentage move. That shows something I need to fix in my thinking: when I've calculated that I'm ok after one of those take-take-take-take flurries, I don't stop and look at ways to break out of the flurry midway. But this is good. Generally when I identify a weakness, I can focus on fixing it. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | misguidedaggression: I used opening explorer after my game, too. I was suprised I stayed in book for so long! He deviated on move 13 and lasted 3 moves into the middlegame. It was a nice little combo. Might make a nice Mon or Tue puzzle. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | RonB52734: <misguided> You're welcome to put the game on my chessforum, User: RonB52734 with as many diagrams as you see fit. I already have my simul loss to Shabalov there and I intend to post more Pittsburgh games there over time. |
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