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Feb-07-18
 | | saffuna: <A better idea is banning posters from this site if they sabotage the Wikipedia entry.> How is it possible to identify Wikipedia writers as chessgames posters? |
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| Feb-07-18 | | TheFocus: <saffuna: <A better idea is banning posters from this site if they sabotage the Wikipedia entry.> <How is it possible to identify Wikipedia writers as chessgames posters?> Only if they self identify. That would be the only way I know of. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | saffuna: <A better idea is banning posters from this site if they sabotage the Wikipedia entry.> I read the Wikipedia entry. The words "Polgar" and "Webster" do not appear at all. Would it be considered sabotage to mention Susan Polgar's or Webster University's roles in his career? I mean, every bio of Michael Jordan I've ever read mentions Dean Smith and the University of North Carolina. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | tpstar: Kibitzer's Café (kibitz #112883) |
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Feb-07-18
 | | saffuna: I thought the post referred to the Wesley So entry. The chessgames entry is a different situation. |
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| Feb-07-18 | | TheFocus: <tpstar> <I am hoping Wikipedia has some internal mechanism to determine who altered our entry.> There is. You (or they, rather) can look up which editor logs in to make changes, and what changes they have made. An editor can also track what changes they have made, and if someone changes it. I used to be an editor. A thankless job. |
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| Feb-07-18 | | TheFocus: <saffuna> <Would it be considered sabotage to mention Susan Polgar's or Webster University's roles in his career?> No. Adding true facts to So's Wiki page is not sabotage. Sabotage would be someone removing them every time they are inputted. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | saffuna: <focus> So I find it curious to say the least that neither So's chessgames bio nor his Wikipedia page mentions his time with Susan Polgar or at Webster University. Any historian who did this would be guilty of malpractice. I don't care what happened at Webster or with Polgar (or Truong) that So apparently resents so much. It's an important part of his professional (please note, <tpstar>: "professional") life and shouldn't be omitted. |
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| Feb-07-18 | | TheFocus: <saffuna> There is also the very real possibility that Wesley So could be an editor and prevents those changes on his Wiki page, or he has someone else who will do it for him. As for here at CeeGee, I would also like to know why they are not in his bio. Does Wesley have control of his bio? The test would be for an editor to add them to his Wiki page and see how long it stays in place. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | chessgames.com: Seeing changes to a Wikipedia entry is very easy, just go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph... — but the question "who made the change?" is often answered by an IP address. It seems somebody has been making minor grammatical edits lately. Good on them. Somewhat related, I archived my interview for Neues Deutschland here: http://www.chessgames.com/neues_deu.... (FYI: the interview was conducted in English and translated.) This is related because if something could be gleaned from the interview and added to the page it would help establish what Wikipedia holds important, the "relevance of the website as demonstrated by non-internet sources." It's somewhat of an honor for a website to be in Wikipedia, and years back there was a call to have the page removed on the (untrue) basis that all of the footnotes were internal links. One more in-print citation should nail that coffin shut for good. I am personally not allowed to touch the page due to conflict of interest. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | chessgames.com: <TheFocus> Wesley So was indeed granted editor privileges last year, specifically because he wanted to "update his biography." I explained to the grandmaster that he does not have exclusive providence over his biography, but we're happy to have him as "one of the team." Having said that, I gave him the usual editor introduction guide, and let him have at it. This created a bit of a kerfuffle last year with some users saying it was a form of censorship/revisionism. That might be true, were it not for the fact that the biography is still 100% open to all CG editors just like any other. If you want to catch-up on the topic you can start reading right around here: chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #27174). There was also concurrent discussion in the Biographer Bistro around the same time. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | chessgames.com: In other news, we just upgraded our Analysis Laboratory to use Stockfish 9. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | offramp: <chessgames.com> I think you did exactly the right thing with GM Wesley So. My only thoughts at the time were that he didn't quite follow the "Style Guide", and it was too long. But the profile looked fairly good anyway. I haven't looked at it since then. I have little interest in GM So. |
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Feb-07-18
 | | Tabanus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcm...
Alex teaching two kids 9 and 12 years old how to improve in chess. Hope you like it, even it's in Norwegian :) |
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Feb-08-18
 | | Tabanus: http://hok.no/en/event/carlsen-vs-n...
I only know what this page says, and that the event will be on Norwegian TV today (4:30 pm NOR time). |
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| Feb-08-18 | | cro777: Are we ready for Fischer Random?
The Unofficial World Championship Match in Fischer Random between Hikaru Nakamura and Magnus Carlsen will be held at Høvikodden outside Oslo in Norway, from 9-13 February 2018. Nakamura is the "reigning champion" from the last unofficial championship, which was held in 2009. http://www.frchess.com/ |
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Feb-08-18
 | | Tabanus: <today> Tomorrow.. https://www.nrk.no/sport/carlsen-ut... says the players will be equipped with a "pulse measurer", for the sake of the audience. Live at https://tv.nrk.no/serie/sjakk perhaps, when it starts. |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zborris8: <Tab> There should be <Chessbookie> bets for lowest average heart rate. < CTS >: Anyone know what's happening with Berlin's Chess Tactics Server (chess.emrald.net) - Did they move, or R.I.P.? |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zanzibar: RE: <CTS>
<zborris8> sharp eye, they were last on Wayback in Dec 2017. The site has gone offline for several days, only to return, in the past. How long have you noticed them offline?
(That site is always in danger of going dark given it's low market value unfortunately) |
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| Feb-08-18 | | AylerKupp: <<chessgames.com> Wesley So was indeed granted editor privileges last year, specifically because he wanted to "update his biography." I explained to the grandmaster that he does not have exclusive providence over his biography, but we're happy to have him as "one of the team." Having said that, I gave him the usual editor introduction guide, and let him have at it. This created a bit of a kerfuffle last year with some users saying it was a form of censorship/revisionism. That might be true, were it not for the fact that the biography is still 100% open to all CG editors just like any other.> I have no issue with any of the things you have done, they seem reasonable. But what you need know, if it isn't obvious already, is that So does not directly maintain his web page or decides on the policy, he delegates those tasks to others. Which is his right, but those others do not necessarily act responsibly according to the principles and intents of <chessgames.com>. For example, you have explicit posting guidelines. Those that presumably violate those guidelines are reported to you, and you look into these supposed violations. Sometimes they are just a reflection of personal animosity between two posters and sometimes they are relatively trivial in nature and best overlooked. Sometimes they are serious and need to be dealt with by deleting the violating posts, warning the posters, and if the violations persist, canceling the offending poster's posting privileges. And even then the cancellation of their posting privileges is usually temporary; you rescind it after a reasonable length of time and monitor (or have other posters monitor) that offending poster's new posts and only rescind their posting privileges permanently if they still continue to violate your posting guidelines. To me that is a reasonable and responsible approach. But contrast this with the apparent "policies" concerning the Wesley So page. There are no additional guidelines other than the apparent guideline that unless you are a fervent supporter of So AND fully agree with the influential posters on Wesley So page, you will be banned from posting there. Take this recent post from <amulet>: Wesley So (kibitz #214309). Translated using Google Translate it means "The handle "kapmigs" is banned here. I have suggested that it be forbidden here. That's right. <Joselito Oliveros> that's a crap". Which, to me, seems like a violation of your posting guideline #3, "No personal attacks against other users." It seems that posters are banned from the Wesley So page based on the "suggestions" of some of its most influential posters, with no consideration or attempt at verification if indeed those "suggestions" are based on anything else than failure of those banned posters to unconditionally praise So to extremes, sometimes rationalizing to extremes his less than expected (demanded?) good performance, or to be critical in any way (though still adhering to <chessgames.com>'s posting guidelines of some of its most influential posters. As I indicated after supposedly being "warned" by <tpstar> (Tata Steel (2018) (kibitz #827) and Tata Steel (2018) (kibitz #829)), "I don't really care one way or another. Far more important things in life then posting or not posting on the Wesley So page." But you might care about how the Wesley So page is being handled and want to look into it. Then again, you might have more important things to do and care about. |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zanzibar: Maybe the So page could be forked into a player sanctioned version and an open version for the hoi polloi? It seems that any page banning <AK> has some need for rebalancing, given my experience with his general timbre and overall politeness. A stubborn streak is perhaps the worst case to be made against him, though he ain't but holding a candle against some others (like yours truly!). |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zborris8: <zanzibar CTS Dec 2017> That makes sense - from my kibitzing history I got back into chess around Christmas. CTS has been down for awhile, I just finally lost my patience thinking it was maintenance. |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zanzibar: <zborris8> Get thee to Chesstempo-ery! |
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| Feb-08-18 | | AylerKupp: <<zanzibar> A stubborn streak is perhaps the worst case to be made against him> Surely you haven't forgotten my verbosity? Although I don't know where that stands in the ranking of my faults. First? Second? Tied for third with some ohers? :-) |
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| Feb-08-18 | | zanzibar: <AK> Ha! It's not a competition y'know! |
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