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| Feb-29-12 | | kellmano: <And we still haven't even decided what to do about things like that infamous Goldsby-Nakamura game.> that has to be left as a shrine to stupidity surely .... Note how already there are suggestions the censorhip spreads to other pages as well (Rogoff). Worrying developments. What about the people who spam music links to music I don't like in kibitzer's cafe? |
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| Feb-29-12 | | dakgootje: <(1) a week may be a long time in politics, but it can flash by pretty fast in CG-time -- is seven days reflection time enough to change hardwired behavior patterns?> Depends partly on how much you are on the site presumably. Say you'd spend.. 5 hours daily at CG.com - I suppose you'd find yourself with some serious spare time all of a sudden. ;) |
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| Feb-29-12 | | hms123: <dak> I can't imagine that anyone would spend that kind of time at a single on-line site. I can see where you end up with a <serious spare tire> though. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <mockingbird: <chessgames.com> It would be great to have notable games from a tournament, similar to the "notable games of a player" feature. The same kind of logic could be used to pick these notable games too.> There is no logic to the notable games feature, because the games aren't picked. It's simply a list, in descending order, of the games of a certain player with the most kibbutzing on them by members. Quite literally, the only "notable" thing about these games is how many separate "notes" members have posted in the Kibbutz box. The "picking" is programmed to be done automatically, no admin has to look at which games are which or what tournament they might come from. To list notable tournaments (an excellent idea), somebody would have to do that by hand. Even if there was some automatic way to set a program to "read" the Tournament portion of a PGN, that wouldn't be accurate, since a significant portion of games have an empty field for "Event" or variant spellings or listings for "Event." Some games even have the incorrect "Event" entered in the field. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <jessicafischerqueen> Good Evening, almost every detail in that post is wrong... ;-)
First of all, the number of kibitzes doesn't factor in anywhere; what matters is how many game collections a game features in. (For instance, the notable games of Edvins Kengis include Sadler vs E Kengis, 1997 and J Klovans vs E Kengis, 1990, neither of which has ever been kibitzed on!) Secondly, I think <mockingbird> already knew the whole thing's automated :) Thirdly, he wasn't asking for notable <tournaments> but rather for notable <games> within a tournament. (For example, if you went to the Tata Steel (2012) page there'd be a list somewhere telling you which of that tournament's games are included in the most collections.) Not a bad idea, though I can't really think of a good spot for such a list :) |
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Feb-29-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Switch> so I was batting .000 I'm happy to be corrected, however. Who knew? |
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| Feb-29-12 | | dakgootje: <<Switch> so I was batting .000> Only 1 away from 1.000 :) |
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Feb-29-12
 | | Domdaniel: < a significant portion of games have an empty field for "Event" or variant spellings or listings for "Event." Some games even have the incorrect "Event" entered in the field.> This section of Jessica's thesis is entirely accurate. If anything, it *underplays* some of the absurdities found in the 'event' field. Make that a .004. |
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| Feb-29-12 | | Alien Math: <chessgames.com> Some thoughts of Kenneth Saul Rogoff's page also Wesley So page, both provide focal points toward their careers or actions. One have comments of also analysis of current games and future tournaments, other have comments of politic also economic activity same like his career of political or economical activity. Some outspoken comments on any page would welcome the clean, these pages provide a point of focus toward activities the players |
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| Feb-29-12 | | Jim Bartle: I'm surprised to see that apparently a number of people look at the Rogoff page without posting. I'm active on that page, and like it. In general I can argue with the conservatives without it getting personal. There are only a couple of kibitzers, both on the left and the right, who are outright offensive. Plus they're are two or three who are blatantly, even proudly, racist. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | Fusilli: <Kellmano, frogbert: I think the suspended posters will realize when they come back they cannot continue offending other users> I think you put it nicely. As a regular user, I felt offended by the continuous exchange of insults. I hope all the temporarily suspended posters realize that a big part of the problem was offending all of us witnesses, not just the fact that they were at war with each other. Also, I would not call enforcement of existing and fair posting rules "censorship" (and, for the record, I am pretty liberal). The word censorship has a bad connotation (as in violation of free speech rights), which I would not associate with the measure taken. |
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| Feb-29-12 | | rogge: <Who knew?> Most of the regulars, including <everyone else>? |
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| Feb-29-12 | | benjinathan: I did not renew my premium membership because I felt that you did not take action on this and other issues. Now that you have taken action it is only appropriate that I renew my premium membership- which I have done. Good luck. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | Penguincw: Two things:
How often is the "Hot Games" feature updated? Daily? Hourly? Other? Any of the above? Also, just like we have a Pun Submission Page, is it possible to include a submission page for puzzles? Thanks. :) |
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| Feb-29-12 | | morfishine: Just catching up: Good Show <CG> and those staff members that settled on this course! It was disheartening to go to a gem-game and find all that sludge and vitriol. My hats off to you and I retract what I said a couple of weeks ago |
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Feb-29-12
 | | OhioChessFan: <switch: First of all, the number of kibitzes doesn't factor in anywhere; > So Nakamura-Goldsby is notable because so many people have it in their games collection? |
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Feb-29-12
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <OhioChessFan: <switch: First of all, the number of kibitzes doesn't factor in anywhere; > So Nakamura-Goldsby is notable because so many people have it in their games collection?> Nakamura-Goldsby is a long way from notable - it only appears in eight game collections, compared to 18 for the last place entry on Naka's notable games list :-) |
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Feb-29-12
 | | tpstar: A big round of applause for <FSR> who uploaded all of our updates to the Wikipedia entry and finally eliminated that "additional citations" box up top. The Wikipedia project is officially done for the year. =) |
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| Feb-29-12 | | hms123: <tpstar>
And a big round of applause for you as well! |
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Feb-29-12
 | | chessgames.com: <Check It Out: I like the Rogoff page, I hope chessgames leaves it be;> I think your opinion sums up the opinion of most members, including those who never visit the page. The biggest problem is that occasionally people post material there that could be construed to be racist, and we get complaints telling us that. Thankfully that's been fairly rare and the doing of only a one or two people. Actually there is one other problem with the Rogoff page, that being that GM Rogoff is not a trivial player, and it's a shame that he's the one grandmaster who has virtually no discussion about chess on his page. Perhaps one day we can give GM Rogoff a real page that he so very much deserves, but for the time being we don't want to do away with our "lightning rod" (as twinlark calls it). <benjinathan: I did not renew my premium membership because I felt that you did not take action on this and other issues. Now that you have taken action it is only appropriate that I renew my premium membership- which I have done.> Well thank you very much. I am sorry that you felt so disenfranchised that you let your membership lapse, but please believe me that at all times our #1 concern has been that people can use and enjoy Chessgames in the way that it was intended. <tpstar: A big round of applause for <FSR> who uploaded all of our updates to the Wikipedia entry and finally eliminated that "additional citations" box up top.> Hey, that is really excellent! I'm reading over the article right now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessg... <mockingbird: <chessgames.com> It would be great to have notable games from a tournament> You know, that's a really good idea. I don't know why we haven't thought of it earlier. As JFQ mentions we don't "pick" the games by an editorial board, but still there are ways we could quickly figure out which games are the ones that are getting all of the attention. <Penguincw> <Two things: How often is the "Hot Games" feature updated?> If you must know, it refreshes at 11:39am, 3:39pm, and 11:39pm (EST). It might deserve to be recomputed a few extra times. <Also, just like we have a Pun Submission Page, is it possible to include a submission page for puzzles?> Not a bad idea, perhaps we could have a contest like we did with the Pun Contest last year. Meanwhile you can always feel free to send us an idea at chess@chessgames.com. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | Domdaniel: I hope some clever person has kept a copy of all that deleted stuff. For strictly historical reasons, of course. The crustaceans may want to know how mammalian instinct, emotion, fear and rage brought down a once-dominant species. And in the medium term, there's always blackmail. |
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| Mar-01-12 | | frogbert: there is delete and there is delete, dom. wrt how minimal amount of data deleted posts represent compared to the "non-deleted" kibitzing, i wouldn't be surprised if cg.com has an option for simply *marking* a post as deleted (while the row lives on happily - or unhappily possibly - in the db). and of course there is the semi-automatic archival function of all posts that can be construed as being offensive or otherwise objectionable. its cleverness can be disputed, since it doesn't work for all kibitzers. it works for me, though, so i guess i can't complain. :o) |
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| Mar-01-12 | | brankat: <Jim Bartle> <.. both on the left and the right, who are outright offensive. Plus they're are two or three who are blatantly, even proudly, racist...> Right on Jim. The Rogoff site has reached almost 3,000 pages, and is has been one of the an invaluable outlets at this CG.com site. An odd "inappropriate" post is much less than a drop in the ocean. The Admins. I think, have been not only patient, but also realistic about it. The same is, or should be, applicable to a number of "certain" other pages. There should be no need for a which hunt type of an over-kill. |
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| Mar-01-12 | | twinlark: Hi ceegee. Now that the brouhaha seems to be tapering off, I have a query about the drop down menus bio writers use to identify the nationality of the players. Two queries really. The first is that when a person settles in a country other than that of their birth, the menu asks for their nationality and identifies them as "citizens" of that country, which may not necessarily by the case, eg, a person can be a permanent resident without being a citizen. I was wondering whether or not it might be worth while changing "citizen" to "resident", as the latter subsumes the former. You might even consider dispensing with both and simply identifying the federation with which a player is registered, using the same country names, although this might be difficult with players that played before FIDE and national federations were established. Just a thought.
The second query is that in filling out the same fields for some players, especially historical players, the menu is inadequate to describe the countries in which they originated and sometimes lived. A good example is Wilhelm Steinitz who was born in the Kingdom of Bohemia which was within the Austrian Empire (and not Austria proper - think Britain vis a vis the British empire), but which later became part of Czechoslovakia and lately, the Czech Republic. Maybe it's all too trivial, but I thought I'd put it out here. |
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Mar-01-12
 | | Stonehenge: <I have a query about the drop down menus bio writers use> I also have something: -Atm it's not possible to make visible that a player is deceased but the biographer doesn't know when he/she died. It would be handy if we can put 0000.00.00 into the 'Date deceased' field, and that it shows 'died ??'. -When a biographer fills in only one field, e.g. 'Country of origin', it doesn't show up (except when there's also a bio written), can you please change that? |
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