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Mar-08-12
 | | tpstar: <move-stamping> From before, the site didn't want any marker where someone (a boss or a coworker) could deduce what time you were on site. If a live event is from 9 am to noon, and someone has lots of marked comments while at work, case closed. Move-stamping would work great if each person could make their own copy of a database game and only retain the kibitzing they wanted. Then all comments could be "cleaned up" by move while removing anything deemed not needed. This was discussed a few years ago as part of the Sandbox concept but no updates since then. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | Annie K.: Thx, doc, but that reasoning doesn't really hold water. :) If someone has lots of comments while everybody around them is discussing moves 2, 3, 4,...., 60 of a live game, case is just as closed, move stamp or no move stamp. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | OhioChessFan: <1300EST OhioChessFan: Wow, Kramnik is trotting out his Berlin again. I only have 30 minutes for lunch so I will be posting a whole lot of comments. Have I ever mentioned what a swell guy my boss is?> |
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Mar-08-12
 | | tpstar: <that reasoning doesn't really hold water> You're right, but when the live events began in 2004 there were people afraid to join the real-time discussion for fear of being found out later. Avoiding time stamps and move stamps at least gives some level of reassurance. =) |
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Mar-08-12
 | | Annie K.: 1. Move stamps are not time stamps. Looking up records, to check what move was played when, would really take things to a whole'nuther level of obsessiveness. 2. There *is* such a thing as too much paranoia. :)
3. 2004 was a long time ago, though I remember it too. ;) People this worried about being spied on have, by now, hopefully, figured out how to keep their cg identities from their bosses. Time to revisit the subject. :) |
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Mar-08-12
 | | Peligroso Patzer: Here is a game you may want to include in your database. It concludes with a crisp combination (with the great Anderssen, surprisingly, on the <losing> end). The winner of the game below currently has no individual games in the CG database but does appear in several consultation games with the spelling <Goring>. Goering, Carl Theodor - Anderssen, Adolf [B46]
Leipzig Leipzig (7), 19.07.1877
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 a6 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bd3 d5 8.exd5 exd5 9.0–0 Bd6 10.Bf5 0–0 11.Bg5 Be5 12.Nce2 Bxh2+ 13.Kh1 Bc7 14.Qd3 Ne5 15.Qh3 Ng6 16.Bxc8 Rxc8 17.Nf5 Bb8 18.Ned4 Bf4 19.Bxf4 Nxf4 20.Qg3 Ng6 21.f4 Ne4 22.Qg4 Qf6 23.Rad1 Rfe8 24.Rd3 a5 25.Kh2 Qa6 26.Rff3 Nf6 27.Qh3 h5 28.Rg3 Ng4+ 29.Rxg4 hxg4 30.Qxg4 Rxc2 31.Rh3 Rf2 32.Kg3 Qf1 33.Rh2 Rxf4 34.Ne7+ Rxe7 35.Qc8+ Nf8 36.Qxf8+ Kxf8 37.Rh8# 1–0 I came across this game in <The Great Book of Chess Combinations>, by Pintér, József, Caissa Chess Books (c)2012, at p. 10. Pintér uses the position after 35. Qc8+ as example number (3). According to Pintér, instead of falling into the back-rank mate, Black could have continued: <35. ... Re8! 36. Qxe8+ Nf8 37. Qe3 Re4>< >. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Peligroso P.> -- Uh, PGN Upload Utility ...? I hate to nag. I too have been guilty of using this page to sneak games into the database by the backdoor. But they're probably on to the trick by now. <time-stamping> A curious topic to come up. Maybe we should let somebody with a 'job', a 'boss', and a 'workplace' comment. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | tpstar: C T Goering vs Anderssen, 1877 |
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| Mar-08-12 | | benjinathan: I wonder if we might try a little community pressure during live games to encourage kibitzers to number their moves? It might work just as well. |
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| Mar-08-12 | | Nemesistic: <tpstar> You just got a right dressing down by another chick then lol. <chessgames.com> I do of course joke, just testing the water with you crazy guys, and i know this post will be deleted for fear of tpstar jotting this in his CGee diary..;) |
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| Mar-08-12 | | talisman: <chessgames> is there a "stats" page, and if so how do i find it? thanks. |
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| Mar-08-12 | | brankat: <talisman> Here it is: ChessGames.com Statistics Page |
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| Mar-08-12 | | whiteshark: <talisman: is there a "stats" page> Yes, here you are: ChessGames.com Statistics Page <and if so how do i find it? thanks.> Start at the chessgames.com homepage, on the right side, scroll down to the third last box where you can read "Our page of Database Statistics is filled with many fun facts.", where I've found the above posted link. Enjoy! :D |
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| Mar-08-12 | | talisman: <brankat> and <whiteshark> thank ya'll very much! |
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Mar-08-12
 | | chessgames.com: On the subject of move-numbering during live games:
This idea has been brought up before. We aren't against it, but before jumping on the bandwagon and programming a move-number kibitzing mechanism, we wanted to think it through carefully. A few alternatives need to be noted. First: If everybody had enough foresight to realize that their kibitzes will one day be read by people not knowing what position they are commenting on, the problem would fix itself. There really is no excuse for posting something as vague as <White looks better> when you could instead say <White looks better after 10.e4>. You don't have to have a lot of foresight to see the advantage there, even if you only take into account people who are reading your post in the next minute or two. Second: The alternate approach, of making a "move number marker" like we have in Team-vs-GM games has to be considered. It's a nice way of accomplishing the same thing. Some kind of live-game robot could make a kibitz when a new move is posted. One wrinkle: unlike Team-vs-GM games, with live-games, blocks of many moves can come in simultaneously. Well, this is pretty much what we're thinking about the issue. There might be room here for a of "cute custom solution" but we're not quite sure. In the meantime, let's try to pressure each other to be more specific when talking about the live position. Remember, not everybody has to be aware of this problem. Even if only *some* users kibitz with move numbers, the problem is solved for people perusing the pages at a later date. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | chessgames.com: <pulsar: CG, is it your policy to ban users from kibitzing without warning or explanation? I'm asking in behalf of a certain user who has his own page here.> I guess you might say it is. The way it works is this: if your account is placed on kibitzing probation, the next time you try to kibitz you get a screen that says that you are on kibitzing probation. Then it invites you to write to chess@chessgames.com to discuss reinstating your privileges. Usually the person in question has a pretty good idea of why they received the message, but it's worth mentioning that every now and then somebody completely innocent gets swept up in the process. This happens when we ban somebody by IP address and then it gets quickly reassigned to some innocent chess-fan. It sounds unlikely, but it happens. In short, if your friend is on probation it's his responsibility to get in touch with us via email to address the problem, even if he is innocent. (Sorry, it just has to work that way.) |
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Mar-09-12
 | | chessgames.com: <talisman: <chessgames> is there a "stats" page, and if so how do i find it? thanks.> As whiteshark pointed out, all sorts of interest "miscellaneous" features can be found on the right column of our homepage. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | pulsar: chessgames, is it your policy not to answer inquiries about whether it is your policy to ban users from kibitzing without warning or explanation?i'm asking for myself now, since i asked for someone else the first time and received no response.thanks! |
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Mar-09-12
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <pulsar> Just look a couple posts up, they did answer your inquiry :) |
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| Mar-09-12 | | brankat: They must have posted at the same time. Some say: "third time lucky". You may wanna give it one more try <pulsar> :-) |
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| Mar-09-12 | | pulsar: ok, thanks CG!we must have posted almost at the same time... I will inform my friend then. Thanks again. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | voratco: Banned? That's ridiculous, the cg7 got it made, they only have 7 days cool off period after all those years. There is no justice for all. Chosey, chosey, why wasn't me? Tpstar would have been soooooooooo happy. |
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| Mar-09-12 | | matebay: < even if he is innocent. (Sorry, it just has to work that way.)> Notice should have been sent to the email of the banned party first...informing him of his infractions and giving him the opportunity to present his side...CG then would send a second notice informing the person of its final decision. The two notice rule is what is applied in the workplace. ..else the aggrieved party can file a labor case citing the violation of a basic human right- the constitutional guarantee of due process of law- <A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.> While the observation of due process in a judicial proceeding finds application in a redress of a violation of a human right. I believe extending its application to:
1. privileges granted non premium members
2. and rights granted premium members
here would would benefit CG in the long haul.
CG after all is a database community. If it wants to find acceptance in the face and heart of legitimate states and nations, it must also practice what these nations have collectively and universally declared and protected as a human right- the observance of due process in its dealings and proceedings. As it is,
1. it condemns, judges and punishes before it hears.. 2. adopts the presumption of guilt (i.e. not the presumption of innocence until proven guilty) |
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Mar-09-12
 | | tpstar: <chessgames.com> If you keep enforcing your own rules this person might leave again. At least you can tell he's not a lawyer. Prepare for his routine where the Universal Declaration on Human Rights gets invoked as an argument for his fundamental right to make personal attacks against other users on a Moderated site. How many slots do you have slated for the next cooling off peacetime? |
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| Mar-09-12 | | matebay: Hi there <tpstar>- the newest recruit of Barangay Wesley. Pursuant to my hope that CG becomes a better place to live in if it amends its rules specifically relating to banning of members by ingesting some elements of fair and just play, let me further stress the points which make outright banishment without notice and hearing a flawed proposition and an unhealthy and improper exercise by enumerating the basic rights and freedom it sought to violate and deny which are deemed integral components in a just, humane and democratic society . 1. The accused has the right to know what the charges are 2. The defendant also has the right to gather his/her own evidence and witnesses. 3. For a defendant to be found guilty, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused did in fact commit the offense (posting guidelines violations) that he/she has been charged with. The basis for these rights is the supposition that all individuals are innocent until proven guilty. It is my most humble appeal therefore that the accused be reinstated of his privileges and that the proper complaint be filed and be allowed to take its due course...and that the accused be given the opportunity to be heard and defend himself to iron out the truth in the interest of justice. |
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