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Jul-10-13
 | | Annie K.: <After all, if "Fischer vs Smyslov" is a topic, so must be "Fischer vs Sherwin", and "Fischer vs Greenblatt (Computer)", etc.> And so must "Smyslov vs Fischer" - ok, the prog can probably be taught that this is the same "page", but then how about "Fischer vs Smyslov 1970", Fischer vs Smyslov, Smyslov wins", "Smyslov vs Fischer 1970, White loses, with kibitzing", etc., etc. - the mind boggles... ;s |
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Jul-11-13
| | Annie K.: On second thought, maybe a basic 'X vs Y' search, where X and Y must both be "star" players, as in that "magic star" discussed just recently, that enables certain player profile features to be activated, might work for forum purposes - and maybe a setup where no forum is activated until somebody actually creates one by pressing a Kibitz button...? :) |
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Jul-11-13
| | Annie K.: ... and on third thought, the search must actually return results in order for a forum to be created too, otherwise the feature will be used for endless variations of the popular local 'who would have been stronger than whom had they ever met' fantasy game... ;s |
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Jul-11-13
 | | kingscrusher: Chessgames.com perhaps you could fix the list of match up options as an experiment?! from the main search form and consider it a "Style Clash" label or something. I think the members of Chessgames.com if treating the debate on this seriously and not just "Who is better", would benefit from an increased fundamental understanding of what "Chess Style" is and its practical implications for results and concrete games. Maybe just one as an experiment to start off with and I would pick even though I love Tal: Korchnoi vs Tal
It would show how an attacking player can be neutralised by a defense/counter attacking player that likes to soak in attacks. Cheers, K |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: Another one which might be good could be :
Petrosian vs Kasparov
Which I got quite wrong in my Youtube interpretation of their game encounters. I didn't factor in declining health which was a major factor for their latter encoutners. In the last two Petrosian had major health issues. So far from Kasparov "conquering" Petrosian's style, I would have to say now that maybe it wasn't. Petrosian was a great King Wriggler - and really had a style as such which infuriated confused and exhausted Kasparov as this early encounter shows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlAi...
And the reason I'm mentioning Petrosian is also I am currently researching Fischer's classic 4 queens game vs Petrosian where "King Wriggling" was a major aspect too. If we could have stylistic debates which do factor in health, etc it would have the potential to increase the impact of players chess "styles". |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: <TheAlchemist> Kasparov vs Kramnik is very important for the implications for the popularity of the Kings Indian Defence. Kramnik beating Kasparov's Kings Indian on a number of occasions probably dented the popularity of this entire opening system in quite a profound way. So yes, I would consider this another good candidate for a fixed match-up list for discussion. It has important historical importance as well as for the popularity of what was once a major and popular opening system in the 70's and 80's at the top levels. Now not as much as the Slav, Gruenfeld, and Queens Indian systems are hugely popular and the Kings Indian much rarer seen. |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: Also regarding Kramnik vs Kramnik, there is also the implications for that dreadfully dull equalising system which is now popular which Kramnik used to neutralise Kasparov's 1.e4 - the "Berlin wall". |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: <chessgames.com>That's not to say it's a bad idea, but if nothing else, there would have to be some constraints on which searches qualify for kibitzing. If not we'll open up a bottomless pit of new forums. After all, if "Fischer vs Smyslov" is a topic, so must be "Fischer vs Sherwin", and "Fischer vs Greenblatt (Computer)", etc. Yes, I would go for a fixed list of "Style clashes" or where something really impacted opening theory as a result of their clashes which seems to be the case for the Kasparov vs Kramnik encouters impacting both the increased popularity of the Berlin wall, and the decline in popularity of the Kings Indian defence. The list itself would be the subject perhaps of discussion to see which pairings represent in chess terms "Scissors, Paper, Stone" or where there impacts on Opening systems. Maybe also there must be a pairing showing how the Kings Gambit was knocked - probably Steinitz against one of the representatives of the Romantic chess era. |
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Jul-11-13
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> "Fischer defaults" might be innaresting too ... |
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Jul-11-13
| | Annie K.: <Dom> Heh. Would that be 'Fischer vs Fischer, Fischer loses'? ;s Anything Kasparov-Kramnik already has, IMO, an adequate "address" at Kasparov-Kramnik World Championship Match (2000). So do many other match-ups between notable players, if not in the WCC Index, then in the Historical Tournaments. :) |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: <Annie K> Possibly the use of specific player matches could be used to understand contrasting styles - I was considering at one point in my evolution of style series checking out the tartakower vs sulthan khan march for stylistic insight. However you would have a limited game sample which might therefore be prone to bias - eg health issues etc, In the case of the Kramnik Kasparov brain games match in London it seemed Kasparov wasn't that bothered to vary openings and I suspect after shunting Shirov he didnt mind passing on his title to Kramnik - if this total apathy which was evident to me and others watching the match then this is again evidence for the limitations of a small game sample which is also inherently biased by the stakes and outcome of the match in question. A larger game sample which the player vs player page search provides not only highlights classical games but reduces bias to the minimum if a truer assessment if style clash is desirable. |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: Btw Apologies for typos - the iPad autocorrection at work .... |
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Jul-11-13
 | | TheAlchemist: <kingcrusher> What I meant was that certain matchups will undoubtedly lead to flame wars between fans/fanboys/detractors/whatever and will thus only needlessly bother the admins. With certain players it's a bit like Godwin's Law or some such. |
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Jul-11-13
| | kingscrusher: <TheAlchemist>: Yes, I accept that is a potentially major practical problem making forum moderation more difficult and interfering with a stylistic discussion. Maybe picking players that don't have huge or very vocal fan bases could reduce this potential issue. |
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Jul-12-13
| | Domdaniel: <'scrusher> Quite. Would *anyone* play the dread Berlin if it wasn't for Kramnik's results, especially his match victory against Kasparov?
And recently he's started to win some games with it. Shudder. |
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| Jul-12-13 | | notyetagm: <CG.COM> Can we please have a forum for the recently completed <2013 DUTCH CHAMPIONSHIP>? Thanks
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Jul-12-13
 | | chessgames.com: Sure, here you go:
Dutch Championship (2013) |
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| Jul-13-13 | | notyetagm: <chessgames.com: Sure, here you go:
Dutch Championship (2013)>
Thanks :-) |
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| Jul-14-13 | | fthyz51: a few days ago i saw an exchange between two of the people here who are the only two people on this site that can match my wisdom and intelligence, i think (i have not seen anyone else on this site yet who can match my wisdom and intelligence)- <softpaw> and <pinnedpiece> . <pinnedpiece> was saying something like “<softpaw> continues to have the respect of <pinnedpiece> ... even on palestenian/israel conflict , position of <softpaw> is reasonable...” well, it goes to reaffirm my belief that if two people are not getting along then at least one of them lacks intelligence and wisdom. And there are a lot of people on this site who not getting along with me and so either they or me or we both lack intelligence and wisdom. Well, if anybody needs convincing that it is not me who lacks intelligence and wisdom, he is welcome to talk to me on <argue> forum. However, if you talk to me you can not judge me* . the context of conversation would be – “is <qc> with innumerable handles by now harming himself or anyone else or he is crossing boundaries of others ; blocking space of others etc. “ eveyone is welcome to expand the horizon of their understanding/awareness; i am willing to help grow anyone who is desirous. - Well, you can judge me and/or call me names – three times in a row ; you will get due notification/warning. after your three chances are exhausted, i will not forgive you for the fourth offence. |
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| Jul-14-13 | | fthyz51: <bureaucrat : banned clown> <bureaucrat> , this is your second offence (calling me clown) . you have one more chance to call me names or judge me with impunity. now, i have made it perfectly clear to daniel freeman that if he has to allow <bureaucrat> , <markfinan> and others to call me names or judge me with impunity , then he needs to block permanently the ip address of at least two places which are at reasonable distance from each other. i don't know if cg.com gets business from these two places but i want to make sure cg.com is unable to get kibitzes from these two place ever if i can help it. |
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| Jul-14-13 | | Abdel Irada: <now, i have made it perfectly clear to daniel freeman> While you're at it, why don't you offer him a "cooling-off period"? ∞ |
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| Jul-14-13 | | rogge: That's pretty funny, actually :) |
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| Jul-14-13 | | Jim Bartle: I think it's pretty funny to break the rules on the very chessgames.com page, where it's certain to be noticed, by making duplicate posts. |
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| Jul-15-13 | | notyetagm: <CG.COM>
Can we please have a forum for the ongoing <UNIVERSIADE TOURNAMENT>?? Several top players (So, Li Chao, Yu Yangyi, etc.) are playing. Thanks
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Jul-15-13
| | Domdaniel: <Jim B> -- < I think it's pretty funny >
Exactly ... the man with 1000 faces has a great, if inadvertent, comedy routine. A schtick in the MUD, as it were. The 'warnings' are particularly hilarious. I'm reminded of the Skibbereen Eagle, a tiny Irish 19th century provincial newspaper which warned the Tsar of Russia that the Eagle was keeping its eye on him ... |
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