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Jan-19-14
 | | Annie K.: <Kim Pawn Ill> That. :) |
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Jan-20-14
 | | AylerKupp: <chessgames.com> So far we have had 9 Chessgame Challenges and each of them have allowed the use of computers. During each game several players have criticized the use of computers for various reasons. I think that it would be interesting to see how the World Team does against a grandmaster if neither side is allowed to use computers, and it will satisfy those that have objections to their use. So I suggest that the next Chessgame Challenge is conducted without the use of computers by either side. Honor system, of course. |
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Jan-20-14
 | | chessgames.com: <AylerKupp> This idea has been brought up before and we're open to the idea. |
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Jan-20-14
 | | chessgames.com: <JAVA UPDATE>
We are preparing a document to help people figure out how to configure their systems to whitelist Chessgames so that you can use Chess Viewer Deluxe again. It may be a day or two before we have this document online--but we know some of you can't wait, so here's a very helpful rough draft you can use immediately: http://www.chessgames.com/chessimag... The hardest part can sometimes be finding your Java Control Panel in the first place. For Mac users it's easy: click on the Apple Menu, then "System Preferences…", then there is a Java icon at the bottom. For Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8, Oracle has a page which can point you in the right direction: http://java.com/en/download/help/wi... |
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| Jan-20-14 | | kkshethin: On the main page of the site, on ready view of recent kibtizing, it was banned to show any highlight for the game between the world and simmon williams, GM. As the game ended, ban should be removed |
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| Jan-20-14 | | morfishine: <chessgames.com> Referencing the format for a 'Chessgames Challenge' game, why not arrange to have a GM play 2-games simultaneously: one computer-assisted and one without computers. That would be an interesting and unique format that IMO, wouldn't be too much of a burden for the GM |
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Jan-20-14
 | | OhioChessFan: I appreciate you being open to the idea of a Battle of the Brains World game, but I am skeptical it can be policed. What do we do if someone 20 moves in says "Oh, we can't use computers? My last 20 posts have been computer analyzed." The team games for Battle of the Brains have been conducted with much smaller teams, where almost everyone is on familiar terms with the rest of the team, premium members only(a crucial point I almost hate to point out, but there you go) and everyone has enough experience to understand what kind of game they're in. The fact we continue to have people waltz into World games and carry on about computer usage like it's not been discussed before in the last 8 years tells me it's hopeless to control hundreds of people. |
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| Jan-21-14 | | Abdel Irada: <So I suggest that the next Chessgame Challenge is conducted without the use of computers by either side. Honor system, of course.> Unfortunately, I have to sound a note of skepticism if not cynicism. In any group, there will be some who are without honor. ∞ |
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| Jan-21-14 | | Abdel Irada: <cg.com>: I don't know about other versions of Windows, but in XP the Java control panel is not hard to find: It's right there among the items listed under "Control Panel," helpfully arranged in alphabetical order. ∞ |
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Jan-21-14
 | | Peligroso Patzer: I recently installed a Java update on my laptop. I passionately hate updates; my philosophy is: "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, and by all means, do NOT motherf**** update it." Notwithstanding, people who know more about computers than I – which includes a majority of the chimpanzee population – assure me they are good to do, so I usually apply them and did so in this case. Any way, ever since I updated Java, your game viewer will not open on my computer. This apparently has something to do with source security verrifcation or some such BS. In short, your system apparently is not transparently secure to Java/Oracle’s satisfaction. Please get this fixed. |
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Jan-21-14
 | | WannaBe: <Peligroso Patzer>, <Thanh Phan> have given pointers on how to fix this in the Cafe and also on various forums. Do a search (you are a prem member) and you will see the solution(s) that have been posted. |
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Jan-21-14
 | | chessgames.com: Our Viewer Help Page has been updated to illustrate how to "whitelist" Chessgames to be able to run Java on your machine. |
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| Jan-21-14 | | soldal: Just a note:
On the help page you say: <2. Make sure the security level is set on "High" or "Medium" – not "Very high".> In the picture the security is set on "High", and the text underneath reads: <Java applications identified by a certificate from a trusted authority are allowed to run.> That's why you need to add cg.com (and potentially other sites) to the exception list if you want to run Java here, as an exception from the certificate rule. If you instead set the security level on "Medium", the text underneath changes to: <Least secure setting – All Java applications will be allowed to run after presenting a security prompt.> That's the setting I chose, without use of the exception list, and Viewer Deluxe works just like it did before the Java update (ie with a prompt each time). So far I haven't experienced other uncertified Java applications, but I see no reason to distrust Java's message. Are there other security risks involved with the "Medium" setting, apart from making it easier to enter Java applications than with the "High"/"exception list" combo – after all, you still have to decide each time if you want to do so? I wouldn't think so, but I'm an amateur in this field. Btw, has cg.com considered the possibility/desirability of getting a certificate? Then it probably would be treated like my bank, where you get a prompt only the first time you pay a bill after a Java update. |
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Jan-21-14
 | | WannaBe: From chessgames.com chessforum <I had a good chat with Nikolai (CVD programmer) about that subject and the future of Java. I was under the impression that having an applet signed would offer all of the protections that Java normally has in place, and on top of that the layer of protection that you know that the code comes from Chessgames.com and hasn't been modified by an evil hacker.This is not the case whatsoever. Having an applet "signed" makes it sound more secure, it actually makes it much less secure. Signed applets are like EXE files. Therefore we probably will not be interested in a signed version of CVD at all.> |
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| Jan-21-14 | | parisattack: < Peligroso Patzer: I recently installed a Java update on my laptop. I passionately hate updates; my philosophy is: "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, and by all means, do NOT motherf**** update it." Notwithstanding, people who know more about computers than I – which includes a majority of the chimpanzee population – assure me they are good to do, so I usually apply them and did so in this case.
Any way, ever since I updated Java, your game viewer will not open on my computer. This apparently has something to do with source security verrifcation or some such BS. In short, your system apparently is not transparently secure to Java/Oracle’s satisfaction. Please get this fixed.> It is Java that needs the fixing! Its turned into a mess. It appears new versions are simply installed on top of old versions. A trick perhaps Sun learned from Microsoft. |
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| Jan-21-14 | | Shams: I was under the impression that Java is basically unfixable. |
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Jan-21-14
 | | WCC Editing Project: <Daniel>
This happened once last year, but it seems to be happening again on a regular basis now, and increasing in frequency. Your <SPAM COP> keeps rejecting emails I send to <chess@chessgames.com>. It's happened several times in the last few weeks so I'm hoping you can figure out what's going on here, before I get the impression that you've (perhaps wisely) assigned me to your SPAM BLOCK list. Here's what happens.
I get a <WE DON'T ACCEPT MAIL FROM A DEMON FAILURE> notice. I click on it, and then I see this:
<Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.<<chess@chessgames.com>:
Remote host said: 553 Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?98.... [RCPT_TO]>> This is then followed by 56 pages of computer code to help me "understand" what happened. Would it help you solve the problem if I emailed you these 56 pages, or do you already know what's on the pages? Might this have something to do with me having a Korean IP address? Anyways please take a look at this, because it's starting to give me a complex. Thanks,
JFQ |
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Jan-21-14
 | | WCC Editing Project: <Daniel>
I just tried to send you the "rejected" email again, and it was just rejected again with a <DAIMLER MERCEDES BENZ FAIL> notice, identical to the one I just posted above there. Please help me! |
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Jan-22-14
 | | chessgames.com: <WCC Editing Project> How confounding! It implies that your IP and/or email was reported for sending spam. Perhaps one of your countryfolk was up to something naughty and now you've somehow ended up with their IP address. In the meantime, do you have a spare email account somewhere, like yahoo or gmail? If you use services like that your IP won't make any difference. |
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Jan-22-14
 | | WCC Editing Project: <Daniel>
All of my accounts will come from the same IP address eh? You know my IP address.
Is it possible for you to "Whitelist" my IP address somehow, or put it on some kind of TOP SECRET INTERNATIONAL "A-ok" standing? The mystifying thing to me is that it happened a few times before, then stopped. This time round, it happened a few times and then a lot of times. At any rate, I'll try again now. |
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Jan-22-14
 | | Tabanus: Java white-listing of <CG> worked for me. But on another game site (Dynomite!), in addition I also had to set the security level to Medium (instead of "High - minimum recommended"). I then got the warning, "this operation will not be possible with future editions of Java for unsigned applets like this". So there must be at least two different kinds of unsigned Java applets - CG: I hope you will choose the right one. |
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Jan-22-14
 | | WCC Editing Project: <Daniel>
I just sent the same email off for a third try, but this time I did it by hitting "reply" from one of your older emails. No <MAILER DEMONS GET OUT OF HERE> message so far. So if I don't get any <MAIL TO THE DEMON, CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMAN> messages in the next few minutes or hours, or ever, I'll assume this particular EMU got through. Sorry to bother you with all of this, and apologies to colleagues for spamming the admin forum. |
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Jan-22-14
 | | FSR: I can understand if it's not a big priority for you, but you ought to rejigger your software to allow a "0-0" (double forfeit) to be scored on the rare occasions that that happens. Here are three: 1. Leipzig (1879) (The game W Paulsen vs J Minckwitz, 1879 was scored as a loss by both players when Paulsen exceeded the time limit while checkmating Minckwitz.")* 2. 2. Chess Note 3879:
<From page 356 of Chess Review, December 1956, under the title ‘But is it Unique?’:‘The British Manchester Guardian reported the Third Rosenwald Tournament as follows: “Reshevsky won the New York Tournament with 9 out of 11, followed by Bisguier 7. An incident probably unique in tournament play took place in the game between Mednis and Hearst, who were both judged to have lost on the time-limit.”’ Eliot Hearst (Tucson, AZ, USA) has related to us what happened: ‘The Mednis game may be unique as to why we both received a “0”. Hans Kmoch, the tournament director, announced before the event began that anyone who did not keep an accurate, up-to-date score in time-pressure would be forfeited. The players did not like this rule very much, but I recall no serious objection. Edmar Mednis and I fell into tremendous time-pressure and we both failed to record the last few moves before the time-control. So Kmoch forfeited both of us. At the time we thought it unfair, although now I can be more understanding; perhaps Kmoch was right, as the rule had been announced beforehand. Neither of us overstepped the time-limit. Since I had a lost position I argued strongly that I could resign the game (Edmar was a good friend, and why should both of us suffer?), but Kmoch would not allow that.’> http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... 3. <In the 6th round of the Zhejiang Lishui Xingqiu Cup International Open Chess Tournament held in Lishui, Zhejiang Province, an extraordinary incident happened when two young star players Wang Chen and Lu Shanglei agreed to a draw. After the end of the round, the Chief Arbiter declared both players to have lost their game.....
The players had come to the tournament hall, signed on the scoresheets without making a single move and left the tournament hall immediately. This is as good as fixing the result prior to start of play. Such behaviour is bad for the image for the development of Chess. This was why he made such a tough ruling.> http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/200... Your database erroneously shows the result of W Paulsen vs J Minckwitz, 1879 as 1-0, and of E Hearst vs Mednis, 1956 as a draw. The third game appears not to be in the database. |
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Jan-22-14
 | | chessgames.com: <double forfeit> I can definitely say that is something that we never had considered for a moment. We do allow games to end with "*", meaning either the game was never completed or (esp. during live games and Chessgames Challenges) is actually in progress. If I recall, there may be a few of those Botvinnik training games that end in "*" because they were never completed. Maybe we can use "*" as a proxy, and then explain in the notes that it was a double-forfeit? How many double-forfeit games are there? Just a handful? |
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Jan-22-14
 | | chessgames.com: Anyhow, even if we did add a new way for a game to terminate, we couldn't possibly call it "0-0" since that particular string of characters already has a chess meaning :-) |
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