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Jan-24-15
 | | offramp: Chessgames, please rid your front page of that annoying and useless box that says, <Search players and matches in plain language; e.g. "ANAND" or "FISCHER-SPASSKY '72"> It has never worked. Here is an example search:
<Enter search. E.g., "FISCHER VS SPASSKY" (more examples)<San Remo 1930>
[Search result] Player profile: Remo Bassan Mosquera
Year: 1930
Sorry, no games at this time.>
It's just an annoyance. It has the same effect as installing printers with Windows 2000 - it leaves one a wild-haired, carpet-biting mess. |
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| Jan-24-15 | | Abdel Irada: <It has the same effect as installing printers with Windows 2000 - it leaves one a wild-haired, carpet-biting mess.> Wrong forum.
On *this* board, you have to be a wild-<hared>, carpet-biting mess. ;-) ∞ |
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Jan-24-15
 | | OhioChessFan: I assume you've seen <GMAN> offer to play us again, presumably uncompensated. Can you make that happen? |
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Jan-24-15
 | | Annie K.: <offramp> the problem is not with that search box, it's with the way you are trying to use it. San Remo is not a player name or a match (Player X vs Player Y) - it's a tournament. Now, where does that box promise that it will find <tournaments> for you? In fact, it works quite well for what it does say it will do. ;) You can search for tournaments here: Tournament Index |
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Jan-24-15
 | | chessgames.com: <OhioChessFan: I assume you've seen <GMAN> offer to play us again, presumably uncompensated. Can you make that happen?> We most certainly would compensate him and the third game against GM Nickel sounds like it would be great. Before that happens we will embark on the next Team Game. |
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Jan-24-15
 | | chessgames.com: <offramp> One day we hope to make that box able to just "know what you mean" and bring up database results that you can express in common English. For right now it tries to fake it, by looking for certain keywords. However location names, tournament names, exotic openings, names of tactics, none of these are considered. The only words it recognizes are players and the major openings (plus all 500 ECO codes, and years.) If you click on that little "more info" button it gives you some good examples: <You can use Chessgames.com's EZ-Search to locate players, matches, years, and openings. There is great flexibility in the way that you can express player's names, openings, and years.Here are some example searches:
Byrne vs Fischer '56
Kasparov
Ruy Lopez 1995-2005
Anand Sicilian
Fischer '55
J Polgar 1984-89
B32
A00 1990-2004
Steinitz-Blackburne
Korchnoi Huebner 1980
Karpov vs Kasparov
Fischer v Spassky '92
Capablanca B20-B99
Basman A00
1800-1899> |
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Jan-24-15
 | | Penguincw: Oh <cg>, can you fix the Live Broadcast page? It's Ivan Saric that's playing, not Igor. Also, the game starts at 6 am eastern. Thanks. :) |
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Jan-24-15
 | | chessgames.com: Oops sorry, will fix shortly. |
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| Jan-24-15 | | zanzibar: <chessgames> Offramp's request can't even be handled in the <Advanced Search> part of town. I've said it before, and will say it again(*):
<We need the ability to search on Event/Site fields> (*) Well, I'll keep saying it, every once and awhile, till we do actually get it. |
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| Jan-24-15 | | zanzibar: <Request - An index list of each user's collections to head their collection page> Consider the game collection of certain informative players: Phony Benoni's Game Collections One might like to skim through the list of his game collections to just be in awe of the breath and scope of topics. On the other hand, that's 15 pages of dense text - with lots of header info to wade through as you scroll from collection to collection. You might try a generic collection search using <Phony>'s name, like this: Game Collection Search That's better of course, as you only get the header info as links to each individual collection. On the other hand, it's not organized in any readily apparent sense (well- it's likely sorted by cid). And it also includes collections from "random" people like <xKinGKooLx - Boring Games> and <Memorable Quotes - Get thee to a Punnery!>. * * * * *
What I'd like to see is an automatic alphabetical listing of just the links to each of the user's collection being the first collection presented. An example of what I really would like the most can be found here: Game Collection: ! Acme Collection Agency Where the user could structure the collection index. But that involves more work, whereas an automated alphabetical list could easily be automatically generated. Thanks for your consideration then... bye for now. |
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| Jan-25-15 | | Abdel Irada: This site offers an impressive and sometimes bewildering array of "special topic" forums that would be of interest to quite a few users. But no one knows about them. Many of the best of them, I stumbled upon because excerpts from interesting posts in them appeared on the home page. And I'm guessing I'm not unique in this. Could the site post some sort of list showing these forums and their special topics? I think it would be most helpful. ∞ |
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| Jan-25-15 | | MarkFinan: <<Could the site post some sort of list showing these forums and their special topics? I think it would be most helpful.>> ???
This is a chess site Abdel! Personal forums and the cafe are supposed to be for off topic (non chess) chatter. People join a chess site for chess, obviously other things come up, but ceegee aren't going to designate certain players personal pages for non chess discussions, especially giving a list of pages to visit if you're not here for chess! |
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| Jan-25-15 | | Abdel Irada: In case it's not clear, I'm referring to forums like <Odd Lie>, <Memorable Quotes>, <?>, <Beer>, <Doll>, <Louis F. Stumpers> and other such Easter eggs and hidden treasures as this site boasts but never mentions. ∞ |
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Jan-25-15
 | | TheAlchemist: Oleg Romanishin, City of Moscow (both more or less retired), I Hatem is still active and probably others, but I'm not in the know so much anymore. You didn't mention KR? :-) Janosevic vs Geller, 1968 arguably qualifies as well. |
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Jan-25-15
 | | Annie K.: <cg> Tradewise Gibraltar, with a very strong field at the top, opens tomorrow, games start on the 27th... can we have a forum please? :) Official site: http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.c... |
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| Jan-25-15 | | cro777: The 2015 Tradewise Gibraltar Chess Festival has just started with the opening simuls. The Opening Ceremony is tomorrow (Monday 26th). Round 1 of the Masters tournament with Topalov, Nakamura and Svidler as rating favorites starts on Tuesday (January 27th) at 15:00 local time. Immediately after the Tata Steel tournament, Hou Yifan and Wei Yi, the winner of Tata Steel Challengers, are also participating. |
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Jan-25-15
 | | chessgames.com: Sorry to make you wait so long — Tradewise Gibraltar (2015) <Abdel Irada: In case it's not clear, I'm referring to forums like <Odd Lie>, <Memorable Quotes>, <?>, <Beer>, <Doll>, <Louis F. Stumpers> and other such Easter eggs and hidden treasures as this site boasts but never mentions.> We don't mention them exactly because they're not officially sanctioned. (Well, "Santa Claus" is officially sanctioned, but that's the only one I can think of off hand.) That doesn't mean we dislike them, in fact we love most of them. Considering that they aren't official pages, perhaps the most appropriate solution is that some brave user should dedicate their profile page to an enumeration of them. |
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| Jan-25-15 | | zanzibar: <<chessgames>That doesn't mean we dislike them, in fact we love most of them. Considering that they aren't official pages, perhaps the most appropriate solution is that some brave user should dedicate their profile page to an enumeration of them.> I was thinking the same. I'd nominate <Abdel> except his intro is long enough as it is. Perhaps <Abdel> could be afforded a fictitious second account with the name <Easter Eggs>? |
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Jan-26-15
 | | chessgames.com: <We need the ability to search on Event/Site fields> I agree zanzibar, and I think the ultimate solution would be an "EZ Search" type function that borders on artificial intelligence. It would be wonderful if we could type things like "Kasparov playing the Sicilian at Linares", and so forth. A more pedestrian but viable solution would be just to have an "Event: ____" field in the advanced search. Until that day comes there are two important things to note: For recent events, premium members do have an "Event" pulldown that covers the last year or two in reverse chronological order. For example, here is a search that shows the Benoni played at the 2014 Olympiads: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... The other thing to note is that you can locate tournaments with the Tournament Index search. I know that's not a complete solution but for now it's what we offer. |
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| Jan-26-15 | | zanzibar: Deferring a follow-up on the Event/Site discussion for the moment... I thought <CG> checked the legality of all the games in the database. This appears not to be the case. I've found several tournament games with illegal PGN (at least where SCID flags the moves as illegal). This seems a big enough issue to mention here before submitting correction slips. Let's start with just two examples:
O Krause vs J Moeller, 1907 (#1) Janowski vs Marshall, 1905 (#3) I have slightly more than 20 other examples.
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BTW - did you get a chance to read my previous comment: chessgames.com chessforum (#21250) Is it possible to get the <reply #> into the display text for these links? OK, thanks for now.
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Jan-26-15
 | | chessgames.com: First, <did you get a chance to read my previous comment ... Is it possible to get the <reply #> into the display text for these links?> Yes I did read that and I think it's a fabulous idea. My only consideration is the way that the link should present itself. The (#___) isn't a bad way of doing it, although to newcomers it might be confusing. Spelling out the word "reply" would reduce confusion at the cost of wordiness. One way or another though, I think it should be done, conceivably even retroactively changing previously posted links. |
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Jan-26-15
 | | chessgames.com: About bad PGN slipping into the database:
There are several tests for whether or not PGN is good, so it basically has to run a gauntlet. It's easy for an admin to approve a broken game, especially if it's an odd mistake buried in a huge file of good games. However, after that the game gets processed by the Endgame Explorer, the Opening Explorer, the Sacrifice Explorer, which all parse the game apart into a long list of FEN codes. If there is a problem, it should be caught by at least one of those. Nevertheless, from time to time we come across games like the ones you showed. It's bewildering how this can be, but I have some ideas. Not all three programs always apply: e.g. if the game is a draw the Sacrifice Explorer won't check it. If the problem lies well beyond the novelty of the game, the Opening Explorer won't see it. And if the game never reduces to 10 pieces or less (or has very few moves), the Endgame Explorer ignores it. O Krause vs J Moeller, 1907 might be exactly such an example of such a game that found the "sweet spot" to slip in an error. A more mundane explanation is that the game used to be correct, and a lazy admin processed a correction slip not noticing that a "fix" broke the game several moves later. But each game has its own story, and then of course is the question of what the real moves are. These have to be tackled on a case-by-case basis. 20 out of 740,000 isn't bad, but let's get it down to zero. I truly thank you for digging them up this way. |
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| Jan-26-15 | | zanzibar: Actually, 22 / 72021 to be exact (I've only looked at "gold standard" tournament games). That makes for an bad-PGN rate of 0.03%, which is indeed rather low. But, these games are easy to find. Just use <CG> to load out the PGN, and <SCID> to load it in. <SCID> automatically detects all games with illegal PGN and displays enough info to track them down. So, getting the error rate down to zero for this kind of error is doable. |
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| Jan-26-15 | | Yopo: The 81Th Brazilian Chess Championship is finished.
More information
http://www.chess-results.com/tnr158... |
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| Jan-26-15 | | zanzibar: Mea culpa - I was wrong about the number of games in <CG> tournaments, the <lim inf> is 273130. That makes an illegal PGN error rate of 8/10**5 or 8x10-3%, an admittedly miniscule rate. Of course, an absolutist would point out the obvious, that it's a nonvanishing finite number. * * * * *
On another subject, I have a 48x48 png (or jpg) icon that I'd like to send over <CG>'s way - do you take donations? |
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