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Feb-11-15  thegoodanarchist: <Check It Out: CG, looks like you need some tzatziki sauce for your PITA bread.>

Hilarious!

Feb-11-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <chancho> That's great.
Feb-11-15
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  WannaBe: <Domdaniel> Allow me a Beavis and Butthead imitation here:

Hehehehehe... He said perversions. Hehehehehehe.

Feb-11-15
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  OhioChessFan: A public service announcement from Albert Einstein

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uplo...

Feb-11-15  Gottschalk: <WannaBe>
I wish you were right, but it's not like you're thinking, unfortunately. The two games are now part of our DB, because I not submitted them.

C Garcia Palermo vs G Vescovi, 1995

Koltanowski vs Keres, 1955

The games that I submitted remain refused.
It's disgusting, the quality of efused games is evident, as we see below:

http://www.365chess.com/game.php?gi...

Feb-11-15  zanzibar: <

<The lunatic is on the board.

The lunatic is on the board.

Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.

Got to keep the loonies on the path.

<The lunatics are in the forum.

The lunatics are in the forum.

The pieces hold their folded faces to the score.

And every day the kibitzers bring some more.

<And if the pawn break opens many years too soon

And if there is no room upon the file

And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. >>>

>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nu...

(With apologies to all loons and non-loons alike)

Feb-12-15  SpaceAce: <lainulo: <one to <Zurich Chess Challenge>.>

I posted "go wesley!"...and wesley is not even listed as a participant. It should not be counted.>

http://rlv.zcache.com/isapi/designa...

Feb-12-15  zanzibar: Speaking of mind-numbing... the topic of <normalization> returns.

Yes, <Grenke (2015)> and <Tata Steel (2015)> were both fixed by <fixpgn>(*).

But try to create an xtab from the PGN of either of these two examples:

New Zealand Open (2015)

George Trundle Masters (2014)

The problem here isn't from a correction slip denormalization. It's more intrinsic.

Feb-12-15  WinKing: Are you going to have a forum for the FIDE Grand Prix - Tbilisi 2015 tournament held Feb. 14th to the 28th?

http://tbilisi2015.fide.com/en/main...

(The list shows that Grischuk, Giri, Vachier-Lagrave, Mamedyarov, Svidler, Andreikin, Jakovenko, Radjabov, Dominguez Perez, Tomashevsky, Kasimdzhanov & Jobava will be participating.)

Feb-12-15
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  Tabanus: Are we feeding the troll in CG's forum? I doubt that is what CG had in mind. Or? Perhaps this can serve as a troll forum, away from the public eye. My suggestion was to feed it in its own (forcibly open) forum, so that it'd stay there. Btw, adding it to the favorites list should give some PITA points.
Feb-12-15  zanzibar: There's already a <Troll> forum, and all proper trolling belongs over there:

User: Troll

Feb-12-15  zanzibar: (I seem to remember a better picture and comments... maybe I found the wrong Troll?)
Feb-12-15  zanzibar: Ah yes, here it is:

Troll

Feb-12-15  Abdel Irada: <...limited kibitzing given sufficient ignores is a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and does indeed open a can of worms....>

What I think we have here is a nut full of worms.

Feb-12-15  Abdel Irada: <<lainulo> (1) Your command of English seems to be quite weak.>

I'll have to stop you there, I'm afraid.

<tolengoy>/<bulibug>/<lainulo>/etc. understands and uses English quite well — very well indeed if you consider that it is probably his second language.

His problem isn't intelligence or a language barrier. His problem is that he's personality-disordered in the way that trolls are, and like most trolls, he is here to cause a maximum of disruption because that's how he gets his fun. "For the lulz."

The more attention his antics get, the happier he is. In this way, he's like an emotionally disturbed child, acting out for attention and at least as happy with negative attention as positive. (Remember, this kind of personality takes joy in causing others distress.)

As with such a child, the remedy is in principle a simple one: Deny him the reaction he wants. In fact, pretend he isn't there.

But of course he isn't a child. He has the well-honed ability of a malignant narcissist with decades of practice to find resources that cause enough pain to elicit a reaction. This is what he counts on, master psychologist that he is (and all successful trolls are), to help him remain relevant and feel gleeful at putting so many people to so much trouble on his account.

Here is where kibitzing restrictions may put a real crimp in his strategy. There will at least be far *less* opportunity for him to poke and prod; he will have to find a way to be a relentless creep in two posts a day.

One caveat: Don't put it past him. He lives for this.

Feb-12-15  Gottschalk: <zanzibar>
I hope your poem about a lunatic is not referring to me. Because if it is, the lunacy end on April 10, the date of expiry of my membership. For some time I have been getting hurt on my rights and I want to renew, but not the way things are now. I want to remember that the Webmaster of this site has done others leave the site. The most unfortunate case seems to have been the nikolaas User: nikolaas pleasant chessplayer that left very hurt by Daniel Freeman. I'm sorry for all of you, I did not intend to bring all this annoyance to the forum, but what to do?
Unlike to nikolaas, I do not intend to leave silent.
Feb-12-15  zanzibar: <Gottschalk> oh no, sorry...

It's about all the lunacy with the involved discussions of trolling - it's not aimed at any individual in particular.

I was having a little fun modifying the famous Pink Floyd song. I was actually inspired by the Beavis and Butthead and perversion comment by <wannabe>.

I sympathize with your cause, at least if it's about getting some games submitted. I have a whole bunch of Feuer games, a Czech master from the 1920's, that I submitted and haven't been accepted. I had to type all those in by hand too.

There's many vibrant chess scenes, both from the past, and from other parts of the world, that are probably under-represented on <CG>. I consider myself lucky to have gotten a few of my submissions accepted, and really can't expect all of them to be (though of course I hope they are).

I don't understand all the dynamics at play here, and since I don't know all the story, it's hard to have an opinion about a lot of the matters raised in this forum.

OK, cheers.

Feb-12-15  zanzibar: OK, maybe a little of the lunacy satire was aimed at <lainulo> too. And now me too.
Feb-12-15
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  chessgames.com: <Tabanus: Are we feeding the troll in CG's forum? I doubt that is what CG had in mind.> We're going to clean up a lot of this stuff, for now I think some of you find it amusing and it's even on topic in a weird way.

<Btw, adding it to the favorites list should give some PITA points.> Oh no, adding somebody a favorites list deducts PITA points.

<WinKing: Are you going to have a forum for the FIDE Grand Prix - Tbilisi 2015 tournament held Feb. 14th to the 28th?> Of course!

Feb-12-15
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  chessgames.com: <zanzibar: Speaking of mind-numbing... the topic of <normalization> returns. ... try to create an xtab from the PGN of either of these two examples...>

I just examined George Trundle Masters (2014) in pretty good detail. (I didn't do the other one just because opens are never as well organized.)

<The problem here isn't from a correction slip denormalization. It's more intrinsic.>

You're right. I downloaded SCID on my own machine and made the x-tab myself to see it first hand. After studying the headers of the games it concluded it was looking at three tournaments:

1. "George Trundle Masters", took place in site "?".

2. Also called "George Trundle Masters", took place in site "Devonport, Aukland NZL".

3. Also called "George Trundle Masters", but look place in the site "Devonport, Aukland, NZL" (with a comma)

Of course we didn't type those headers by hand, that's what the official site offered for download. Maybe they published a few rounds with sloppy headers, get a complaint, then the subsequent rounds have their site-fields filled in. Then at some point a comma was added or subtracted.

So I can see what's going on: SCID is being extremely picky about PGN quality. If CG was that picky, we'd end up with three tournaments too.

I'm not saying SCID is bad software, just that it doesn't seem to cope well with the actual sloppy stuff that official sites publish regularly. Which shouldn't be surprising: we often have to manually intervene with official PGN ourselves.

Of course, things like this should be fixed and normalized, especially things as icky as having "?" where the site is very well known.

Feb-12-15  WinKing: <<WinKing: Are you going to have a forum for the FIDE Grand Prix - Tbilisi 2015 tournament held Feb. 14th to the 28th?

chessgames.com: Of course!>

I kinda figured but as my old boss used to tell me "never assume anything". ;)

Feb-12-15
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  chessgames.com: <lainulo> <I'm the man of la mancha in a crusade for truth and equality.> I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to cut you off now. I've let you voice your opinion. This forum will not become your new hangout.

You are not on our ban-list, just restricted-kibitzing. You can continue to delight our members with your posts on other pages.

Feb-12-15
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  Tabanus: <Oh no, adding somebody a favorites list deducts PITA points.> Heh? I meant that adding the troll (or anyone with high PITA score) to my fovorites list should give myself PITA points also. Never mind, it's hard to think straight about the issue :)
Feb-12-15  Appaz: <<chessgames.com> Oh no, adding somebody a favorites list deducts PITA points.>

This PITA thing looks like an exceptionally powerful tool for social self-moderating of a forum.

Congratulations!

I've got the impressions the threshold for kibitzing restrictions is high - please keep it that way.

We are mostly, usually, civilized people :)

Feb-12-15
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  chancho: PITA could be the Philosopher's Stone of Troll control that has been so sorely needed on the web.

Genius!

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